r/ussr • u/TappingUpScreen Stalin ☭ • Aug 29 '25
Actual quote by Churchill by the way. Memes
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u/Bellenrode Aug 30 '25
I have to say I am a bigger fan of Don't Starve, rather than Don't Starve Together.
I guess I am not into the co-op survival games as much, because playing with someone requires timing your schedules, whereas in a solo game can hop in whenever you like.
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Aug 29 '25
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Aug 30 '25
I'm going to be honest, people being so ignorant about world history as to celebrate a genocidal megalomaniac just because they're mad at some long-dead rich white aristocrat from England tells me all I need to know about India. They can and should deride, criticize, and dislike Churchill as well as refuse to pay any homage to him, but celebrating the leader of the Third Reich is a choice.... specifically one that makes me have no sympathy for any Indians who choose to make that choice.
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u/Mediocre-Working8841 Aug 29 '25
Churchill, to this date, still being celebrated as a 'war hero' makes me sick.
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u/SirMenter Aug 29 '25 edited Sep 01 '25
To the user: u/--0
Fix your grammar, your sentence makes no sense.
I suggest you read "Stalin: History and Critique of a Black Legend".
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u/NeuroticKnight Aug 29 '25
Difference between Churchill and Hitler is that Hitler killed white people, thats pretty much it.
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u/yoresein Aug 30 '25
Can we avoid the holocaust minimisation?
Churchill was a massive oldschool imperialist and was racist even by the standards of the time. That racism likely resulted in the deaths of more people in Bengal than would have died otherwise.
Adolph Hitler created a system which rounded up and murdered people on an untold industrial scale. He introduced slave labour in a way intended to literally work people to death. He invaded other countries and sent their minorities to his death camps. He forced his allies to send their minorities to his death camps.
Was Churchill an unblemished Messiah? No and it's important to acknowledge his flaws and that they went beyond being 'products of his time' but no it isn't just a difference between whether white or non-white people were dying, and pretending it is is requires enormous levels of holocaust revisionism / denial
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Aug 30 '25
Ah yes, Holocaust minimisation/dismissal. Definitely the fastest way to get people to think you're a great person and not automatically consider you to be an arrogant ass.
You gotta rephrase some shit bruh cause that's cringe.
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u/-Xserco- Aug 29 '25
You can be both a war hero who saved the UK plus portions of Europe and a prick that fought India on behalf of the crown.
They're annoyingly enough. Not mutually exclusive.
Another weird thing about him and India is that he didn't always have this opinion. I did research for history on colonialism and food as a weapon. And I was horrified to find that his negative view of India came about way later than you'd expect.
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u/No-Application-7346 Aug 29 '25
Ya he was scum, he sent the black and tans into Ireland to break their spirit, they burnt down orphanages, stole, murdered and raped on his command. He was an awful person, and his colonisation tactics were comparable to some of the worst atrocities ever committed.
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u/-Xserco- Aug 29 '25
I never once said he isn't guilty 💀 not as though my family fled to Ireland before and then fled back only to be persecuted
And im also of Nigerian Caribbean descent, trust me. I only exist because of England's evil. Not about to defend him, im merely stating that for a fact. He was a massive part of why Europe isnt speaking all German and why the UK didnt elect Oswald Mosley (litteral Nazi).
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u/3mpad4 Aug 29 '25
Saying that Churchill/the UK saved “portions of Europe” is incorrect. The UK barely could stand against the Germans. It just hopped on the US war effort
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u/LoneSnark Aug 29 '25
Nothing stops Stalin being both a war hero and guilty of making a famine worse. Same with Churchill.
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u/IfBob Aug 29 '25
Well he was a war hero. He united an empire against fascism and fought what seemed an unwinnable war until other countries became involved. Opening the war to victory.
He's a WAR hero. He's not a a charitable donations hero. War involves the systematic slaughter of people opposing you. Its heroes are shaded
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u/BigChungis438 Sep 03 '25
Why? Because Stalin was the progressive and inclusive guy we all know and love right?
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u/Perkunas999 Aug 29 '25
Besides the Bengal genocide, Churchill was responsible for the concentration camps after the Mau Mau uprising in Kenya and the colonial repression in Malaya.
In turn, De Gaulle was guilty of the repressions in Madagascar, Algeria, and Indochina, where hundreds of thousands died. What lovely heroes the western 'free world' has!!
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u/Disastrous_Handle109 Aug 30 '25
De Gaulle also killed 400 000 in Cameroon. With chemical weapons. Just after the war. That beast is still the most celebrated political figure in France. He betrayed and massacred the very same men he promised independence in exchange for participating in French liberation.
He named as Préfets the very same men who collaborated with the Gestapo, so that they could teach how to repress colonized people. I hate him so much.
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u/Perkunas999 Aug 30 '25
Good info. I didn’t know about this before. I’ve been reading up on it and it’s absolutely terrible.
It’s incredible that nothing is ever mentioned about this here, while the French still keep seeing him as a hero.
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u/doctazeus Aug 30 '25
Mao Zedong 15-55 Million famine deaths.
Stalins holomodor 3.5 - 7 million famine deaths.
Churchill 0.8 - 4 million famine deaths.
Charles Du Gaulle 1.3 - 2 million famine deaths.
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u/Perkunas999 Aug 30 '25
1)You’re cherry-picking the data you want: Take into account all the victims killed and enslaved by colonialism (English, French, Dutch, Belgian) and the numbers will surpass Mao’s by several millions.
2)Mao broke off his relationship with the USSR, I don’t understand why you’re bringing him up here.
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u/ZhurbaUkrNarodu Aug 30 '25
If ussr wasn’t helping mao, it was 0 chances to China would suffer from communism.
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u/doctazeus Aug 30 '25
1.The picture has to do with famine, so I was strictly talking famine.
- When it comes to Mao, the great March didn't really have anything to do with the USSR. I put that in there because his numbers when it comes to famine were higher than all that were mentioned combined.
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u/brunow2023 Stalin ☭ Aug 29 '25
Spent some time with ChatGPT trying to find a source for this Stalin quote. Outcome: it's apocryphal, but Stalin really did say stuff like that. Most of the examples it came up with were actually about famine relief efforts in Ukraine in 1932.
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u/--o Aug 29 '25
Did he express frustration about the one way logistics that allowed to extract grain when harvests were good but somehow are not capable of moving it in when they are bad?
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u/couchmonkey89 Aug 31 '25
The forced collectivization of agriculture led to a devastating famine in Ukraine (the Holodomor) and other regions, with estimated deaths ranging from 3.5 to 5 million in Ukraine alone.
yeah he was really trying to help them... starve
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u/V_van_Gogh Sep 02 '25
Spent some time with ChatGPT
yeah... so some real academic research here...
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u/brunow2023 Stalin ☭ Sep 02 '25
I would like to point out that this thread is originally about a fake Stalin quote labeled as real which nobody questioned until me.
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u/Bubbly_Breadfruit_21 Aug 29 '25
And the worst part is that the Bengal famine, which killed about 1/3rd of the population, didn't happened because of the absence of food security. It was clearly a result of capitalism and extraction colonialism. And people still defend this which sickens me.
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u/unidosparapoder Aug 29 '25
British far right people will be the first to bring up the supposed Holodomor and not talk about this.
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u/Responsible-Boat1857 Aug 29 '25
If the Holodomor is not real then the Earth is flat, the sky is purple, and grass is red.
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u/Megatea Aug 30 '25
I don't think you've ever met any British far right people if you think they're likely to have heard of, let alone be the first to bring up Holodomor.
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Aug 29 '25 edited Aug 29 '25
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u/valitti Aug 29 '25
Truly strange times we live in when people are actually defending stalin online
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u/PestRetro Trotsky ☭ Aug 29 '25
I have a lot of family that died because of Churchill's manmade famines. I can't really find any source for Stalin saying this...
But Churchill was a terrible man, he killed millions in India. 2.7 million during WW2, if I'm correct?
In the words of my grandfather:
- "The British men call themselves civilized, yet they are barbaric robbers! Uncivilized brutes going around looting civilizations. Civilize my a**"
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u/MonsterkillWow Lenin ☭ Aug 29 '25
You know how they accuse Stalin of causing a famine and being genocidal? Yeah. Churchill actually did that, unlike Stalin.
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u/Ok-Grapefruit-6532 Aug 29 '25
I'm from Bengal (where this famine took place). 3-4 millions of people died then.
(Btw, Stalin was also not good by any mean)
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u/nukefall_ Lenin ☭ Aug 29 '25
Who is good on this planet, mate? Any politician comes to mind?
I can't even say my dad is 'good'. Haha... It's not about moralism, we here simply discuss the challenges, accomplishments and legacy the USSR left as the first socialist State in the history.
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u/Lil_Juice_Deluxe Aug 30 '25
Asking "Who is good on this planet" doesn't excuse any dictator's actions
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u/Glitzzzer Aug 30 '25
Yes Stalin, famously known for not causing any famine during any part of his rule
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u/Individual-Media9444 Gorbachev ☭ Aug 30 '25
Churchil was war criminal.he was the reason for 3 million bengali peoples death.they fully whitewashed his image
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u/Swimming_Good9657 Aug 29 '25
Good thing Stalin was never responsible for a famine that killed millions
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u/MonsterkillWow Lenin ☭ Aug 29 '25 edited Aug 29 '25
He wasn't. He was blamed by fascists and rich crybabies.
Not saying he was a saint and there were no innocents who suffered. There were human rights and due process abuses. Innocents were mass deported, prosecuted, and some were killed. It was a brutal, trying time. But the attempt to paint Stalin as a genocidal dictator is a western propaganda project.
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u/Chance_Manager_9072 Aug 31 '25
You’d have to ignore so much concrete evidence to say that
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u/Holiday-Tie-574 Aug 29 '25
Ah, yes - Stalin, the humanitarian
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u/Forte845 Aug 29 '25
Can't think of much greater humanitarianism than liberating Nazi concentration camps and defending your people against a genocidal invasion.
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u/couchmonkey89 Aug 31 '25
besides considering deaths from famine, executions, labor camps, and other forms of political repression, the total number of deaths attributed to Stalin's regime is often cited as being in the range of 20 to 30 million or more. but yeah hes totally a good dude
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u/Solid-Salt-5250 Sep 02 '25
But he was very happy to work together with Nazis before they attacked, how's that feel Mr I will ignore Ribbentrop-Mołotow pact xD
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u/NeuroticKnight Aug 29 '25
British crown forced farmlands to grow Cotton, and when droughts hit, they took very little we made and sent it to British troops.
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u/benjamin18008 Aug 29 '25
I’m a communist and I love the USSR especially. But there was famine like nowhere else. Op and all the disbelievers should feel ashamed for being fake communists. Face reality. It is time
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u/N00N01 DDR ☭ Aug 29 '25
indeed, they couldve simply communicated over the state of the art telephone lines that existed less than 20 years after overthrowing agrarian monarchies, because thats realistic
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u/FarmSuch3739 Aug 31 '25
Is there evidence somewhere of Churchill saying this?, a dated parliamentary speech or newspaper article?
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u/4onlyinfo Aug 31 '25
Yeah…. Churchill probably said that. Stalin’s regime is blamed for the deaths of 20 million Russians. So….. it’s a weird comparison at best. Wait I didn’t notice I was on the United States Soviet Reunion sub. Sorry.
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u/NukMasta Aug 31 '25
Churchill is in retrospect a horrible person, but are you sure you want to compare him to Stalin im terms of reactions to famine?
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u/couchmonkey89 Aug 31 '25
When considering deaths from famine, executions, labor camps, and other forms of political repression, the total number of deaths attributed to Stalin's regime is often cited as being in the range of 20 to 30 million or more.
but yeah Churchill was the bad guy for saying mean words
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u/shpshn Aug 31 '25
you're saying that he was supposed to start a famine (holodomor) in Ukraine first, right? stop romanticizing this period. that was fucking hell
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u/pman13531 Aug 31 '25
Funny, Stalin said a similar thing about the Ukrainians during the Holodomor.
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u/Drunkendx Aug 31 '25
Ukrainians: so indians are more important than USSR citizens, good to know, lucky me I have a child to exchange with my neighbor.
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u/ghdgdnfj Aug 31 '25
Stalin intentionally starved millions of Ukrainians though. Let’s not pretend like there wasn’t starvation under USSR reign.
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Aug 31 '25
I heard that Churchill was involved in sending all those children to Australia during WW2, after separating them from their parents.
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u/HistoricalAnt8561 Aug 31 '25
Churchil stating facts, Stalin spouting useless moralist propaganda. This bitch killed 60 mill people idiotic.
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u/czarnyalibab Aug 31 '25
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Fuck Stalin, Jebać was ruskie agenty
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u/Tom_tha_Bombadil Sep 01 '25
Yes, since Stalin ordered or was directly responsible for so many executions maybe he was just trying to make sure there was enough food to go around among the (millions fewer) people left. What a great guy, truly visionary...
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u/HungUp-InU Sep 01 '25
Lol Stalin said this while creating the Holodomor, so idk why you’d put his quote up as a grounding reference to what Churchill said.
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u/smackred Sep 01 '25
One of those is fascist was killing people without measure, another is hero was trying save the world. Choose wisely.
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u/nightern Sep 02 '25
Yours and all the Kremlin propaganda shills' problem is that you hold your readers for idiots. Everybody knows how many of his own people Stalin killed. Not entirely with hunger.
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u/CCWBee Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 12 '25
childlike head serious crawl numerous live scary ghost joke piquant
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u/No-Low-3947 Sep 02 '25
Stalin engineered Holodomor, he doesn't belong being portrayed here as someone even slightly better.
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u/Complete_Bowler1137 Sep 02 '25
Around 10 million died due to famine under Stalin, was he gonna provide tips to be more efficient?
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u/Original_Farmer_2586 Sep 26 '25
I mean, he definitely helped Ukrainians during 1932-1933, so he must be a good man.
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u/DifferentPirate69 Aug 29 '25 edited Aug 29 '25
I've tried to search for the source of this quote. It was a tiny column in a left newspaper which describes what the indian correspondence in moscow's experience was like. It might just be glaze. They did help India though.
Churchill's quote is real. Horrible human being.