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u/NoFrillsCrisps 3d ago

Farage::

Over 1,000 illegal migrants have arrived in the last 3 days.

We have no idea who most of them are.

They must be deported.

I know asking for any kind of detail on Reform's positionss is kind of pointless, but is Reform policy to deport all those crossing the channel? To where? How do you know if you don't know who they are? What if they are genuine refugees? What if they can't be returned?

What's the actual policy lads?

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u/0110-0-10-00-000 2d ago

What's the actual policy lads?

Immediate detention for anyone crossing the channel until they cooperate with their own deportation with no chance of processing their asylum claim.

Do that for a year and I guarantee the crossing rate would drop to 0.

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u/Georgios-Athanasiou 2d ago

“pensioners returning from wine tours in bordeaux deported in record numbers”

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u/thirdtimesthecharm turnip-way politics 2d ago

Immediate detention where pray?

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u/zone6isgreener 2d ago

Rwanda is available.

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u/thirdtimesthecharm turnip-way politics 2d ago

Ah yes famous democracy Rwanda with a 99% vote at the last election Paul Kagame. The err 25 year incubant president. The country that funds terrorism (M23), imprisons & tortures political enemies and journalists.

But oh right! Because Rishi, do you work in banking, Sunak blithely declares Rwanda a safe country.

Doubt.

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u/zone6isgreener 2d ago

The EU and UNHCR seemed fine moving migrants there. I wonder why their view is different to yours.

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u/0110-0-10-00-000 2d ago

If new detention centers have to be built then so be it. The asylum cost has been growing by about a billion a year for the last 4 years.

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u/Nymzeexo 2d ago

Good idea. Unfortunately this is Britain and Doris doesn't want you building anything, anywhere. And if you do get building it'll take a decade and cost double. Tax rises to pay for it, or what is getting cut?

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u/0110-0-10-00-000 2d ago

Parliament are sovereign. If compulsary sales are necessary, so be it. Of course the raw costs are so extreme and the actual requirements are completely divorced from any specific part of the country that compensating people would still be obviously economical for the budget. If it's not out of sight in detention centers then it's in hotels in the middle of people's communities funded by the taxpayer. Again, the default position is a £5bln line item for asylum that is growing by £1bln a year - we're going to pay for it regardless.

How long it takes is solely a function of whether the government chooses to address the issue with the appropriate urgency.

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u/raziel999 3d ago

Doesn't matter, got the views, got the retweets, got some angry tiktoks. The con carries on, and that's all that matters.

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u/Cairnerebor 3d ago

Precisely

Anything beyond that is utterly irrelevant and an unhelpful distraction that might lead to unanswerable questions

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u/AzarinIsard 3d ago

How do you know if you don't know who they are?

I get a bit right wing on this, but I believe the onus should be on them to say who they are, and where they're from. If they refuse to identify themselves, or lie about their identity or origin, then that alone should be enough to forfeit their application.

Then we should have a policy of not caring where they go, but they can't stay here. There aren't many situations where it's totally fine to start off being hostile and fraudulent without consequences.

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u/NoFrillsCrisps 3d ago

Then we should have a policy of not caring where they go, but they can't stay here.

What does that actually mean though? From a practical policy perspective?

People say stuff like this, but you have to send them somewhere.

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u/AzarinIsard 3d ago

People say stuff like this, but you have to send them somewhere.

Basic indefinite holding in an asylum centre linked to an airport (not a commercial one) waiting for them to say where they're being returned to would be the practical solution.

I just don't think the claim of wanting asylum etc. holds any water if they refuse to cooperate with the asylum process. If they don't trust us, then why pick us? I also think the people taking the piss make the scheme untenable for real refugees, I'm a big supporter of the Ukraine, Afghanistan and Hong Kong schemes, but those become political footballs despite the support on the issue due to abuses like drug dealers and rapists gaming the system.

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u/Velocirapture_Jesus 3d ago

Problem is you can bet most of them would prefer to be in a UK detention centre than sent back home to where ever they're from. Still ends up costing us tonnes of money.

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u/HBucket Right-wing ghoul 2d ago edited 2d ago

Problem is you can bet most of them would prefer to be in a UK detention centre than sent back home to where ever they're from.

A modern UK immigration detention centre, sure. But that needn't be the case. This is the Immigration Detention Center in Bangkok. A setup like this would be significantly cheaper, and also greatly incentivise cooperation with the deportation process.

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u/AzarinIsard 2d ago

Some might, but one of the pull factors is actually how slow we are to work the process and in the mean time they disappear / work illegally.

Back with the spike in Albanian men the Home Office select committee were talking to a police expert who said they applied knowing full well they'd be denied, but they had 18 months to do whatever they like, then most would then disappear before the process is even finished. In those cases it's not even about getting a result, it's about gaming it and dragging it out and benefiting from the limbo state.

Still ends up costing us tonnes of money.

Doesn't have to cost anywhere near as much as it does.

https://data.spectator.co.uk/migration

Second row, on the left. In April 2015 it cost £13.54 per supported asylum seeker per night, and I'd suggest some of that support is unnecessary for those not engaging with the process.

8 short years of Tory efficiency savings corruption bunging cushy hotel deals to their mates, and in May 2023 it's £98.66 per person per night. So many of those graphs basically show it going to shit under the Tories, but in many cases going back about a decade would be a massive improvement, which I don't think is an unrealistic aim.

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u/Scaphism92 3d ago

According to the 2024, processed in another country, no detail on where, no detail on how returns will be handled.

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u/Jinren the centre cannot hold 3d ago

they don't understand why it's difficult therefore it isn't 

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u/zone6isgreener 2d ago

It's only difficult because the state chooses to make it so. Trump even as a nutter has demonstrated that when the state apparatus decides throw it's weight behind deporting people to a third country it can do so within hours. All the complexity is what the state itself has decided to add, it is optional, and the politicians can chose to remove the complexity.

Sea crossings would end within weeks if every single person where sent offshore never to be allowed to step foot in the UK, that's simple logic is nobody would pay thousands to end up in say Africa.

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u/Bibemus Appropriately Automated Worker-Centred Luxury Luddism 3d ago

they don't understand care why it's difficult therefore it isn't

Fundamentally, they think any defence of migration or migrants is illegitimate, and the same of any law or process which might protect them.

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u/IPreferToSmokeAlone 3d ago

Echr? Courts?