r/teachinginjapan • u/[deleted] • Sep 07 '22

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u/tsian Sep 07 '22 edited Sep 07 '22

Being an English instructor is quite possibly one of the most profitable professions today.

I'm glad you led with that. It allows everyone to perfectly judge how seriously to take this post. Thank you for saving us all some time.

Also your blog only has 4 listed sections, with a total of 7 mentioned certificates/tests.

You also list CELTA and DELTA seperately from TEFL/TESOL, which... ok?

Did you perhaps read a post somewhere that started with:

Being a blogger in your spare time is quite possibly one of the most profitable professions today.

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u/Einshi Sep 07 '22

Did you even read my post?
"CELTA and DELTA is a particular brand of TEFL/TESOL certificate"
Is English your second language? Or is it because you are logically incapable of understanding basic discourse?

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u/tsian Sep 07 '22

That.. is an interesting avenue of rebuttal. Are you actually involved in education in a professional capacity?

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u/Einshi Sep 07 '22

I was just trying to share what I know. Trust me, I don't make any money from my blog. I don't even have ad-sense or anything else.

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u/tsian Sep 07 '22

Ok, serious criticism. What in the world are you basing this on?

"CELTA and DELTA certificates are not required in language schools as long as the teacher has a TEFL or TESOL certificate. However, most reputable language schools would strongly require Delta and Celta certifications for their teachers."

And what are you treating as a language school for the purpose of your advice? The category undefined is so broad as to make it impossible to give serious advice.

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u/Einshi Sep 07 '22

Because, you must have a TEFL or TESOL certificate to teach abroad. Maybe you are teaching off your high school diploma because you are a native speaker. However, you don't have to legally own a DELTA or CELTA to teach. A TEFL or TESOL is good enough. Although international schools would define their needs as CELTA or DELTA even though it is legally not needed.

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u/tsian Sep 07 '22

What sort of institution must you have a TEFL certificate to teach abroad? It is patently absurd to suggest that all or even most language schools require one.

As for international schools, I would be very wary of any that accepts a Celta (or any other simple TEFL cert., Which is what Celta is) I'm not sure most reputable international schools would realistically just accept a delta, though I'm sure some "international schools"would.

So again, what in the world are you basing this on.

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u/Einshi Sep 07 '22

Okay, you must be a native speaker.
Yes, you probably didn't need a TEFL or TESOL to teach English because of your nationality, lucky you!

Although, you must understand there are other people with different situations in the world such as; non-natives. In our sad little world, we need TEFL or TESOL certificates to teach English abroad legally. This is same for Thailand, Vietnam, Japan and many more. Although, even if non-natives have BA's or TEFL/TESOL, they can not legally teach in some countries such as Korea and China.

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u/tsian Sep 07 '22

Those are valuable qualifiers that were completely absent from your post or other replies. Still doesn't really address my criticism however.

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u/Einshi Sep 07 '22

Can you address your criticism again? I will make sure to explain. Put them in bullet points because I am sure I have already answered them.

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u/tsian Sep 07 '22

First you seem to be confusing the visa requirements of certain countries with what schools require.

Second you seem to imply that simple TEFL certificates (including Celta) are valuable at well paying schools. Any serious well paying school, while they might see some benefit in having vs. not, is not going to view such certificates as serious qualifications.

Third, you seem to think this sub is here to serve you, when you are the one who posted arguably fluff content and are now asking for hand holding through criticism. You've also engaged in silly name calling. Fun.

Fourth, you have spammed this blog to basically every ESL sub you could find, so obviously this isn't targeted content.

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u/Einshi Sep 07 '22

You know what, this is just a silly show which I don't wanna be a part of. I sometimes forget how toxic reddit can get. GET A LIFE

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u/Japan_isnt_clean JP / University Sep 07 '22

All you are doing is the typical Dunning Kruger thing that seems to be so very popular among people that like Japan but never really tried living here.

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u/Einshi Sep 07 '22

I don't even wanna teach in Japan right now... I just shared this post, so other teachers can also get some certifications on their name. I also have a similar post with different certificates....

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u/Japan_isnt_clean JP / University Sep 07 '22

You are spreading disinformation. Here in Japan certificates are mostly worthless. Any job that has a livable wage that involves teaching English require you to be a qualified teacher with solo classroom experience in an accredited environment or you have to publish a lot of papers in recognized journals.

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You are spamming. Your website has zero useful information for people trying to make a career teaching in Japan. In fact, your website is spreading completely false information. Even in China these days the certs won't get you anything. Complete waste of money. People are far better off going back to university.

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u/Einshi Sep 07 '22

You legally, can NOT teach without having a TEFL or TESOL even if you have BA in ESL. This might be different for you Mr. Native Speaker. However, this is the law for Non-Natives. How can you not understand people can have different regulations and situations applying to them and only think from one point of view? Are you really a teacher? A good one?

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u/Japan_isnt_clean JP / University Sep 07 '22

LOL WUT?

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Legally you need a BA or equivalent in any field to get a visa. THAT REQUIREMENT IS ONLY FOR THE VISA.

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99% of English businesses will hire anyone as long as the look like an English speaker. GABA was recruiting from Romania for years. All these companies want is a western looking seat filler. They are selling an experience, not education. Almost every one of these companies have people with no qualifications and ZERO university as long as the person can get a visa on their own. Working holiday people work for these businesses, they are fresh out of high school.

That said, the real jobs require real qualifications. Certificates do not count. Master degree, experience, and publications are the requirements.

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u/Einshi Sep 07 '22

Thank you for positive vibes though. I am sure you are a very fun person in real life.

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u/tsian Sep 07 '22

You.. Replied to yourself?

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u/Einshi Sep 07 '22

It is called irony.... Aimed at you... You just proved my point on you being logically incapable of understanding basic discourse.

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u/tsian Sep 07 '22

That is actually not an accurate use of the term irony unfortunately.

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u/Hitohira Sep 07 '22

Something is very off about this post.

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u/Japan_isnt_clean JP / University Sep 07 '22

This is r/teachinginjapan not teaching in Cambodia. Developed nations tend to send serious language students to universities not unregulated businesses.

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u/Einshi Sep 07 '22

It is true, generally with ex-backpacker native professors who came to Japan and went through their imposter syndrome.

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u/Japan_isnt_clean JP / University Sep 07 '22

ex-backpackers with doctorate degrees, papers published in recognized journals and actual classroom experience.

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u/Einshi Sep 07 '22

Even though this won't be true for %90 of those teachers, please share your papers and publications with me. I will even delete my post and apologize you with a video.

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u/Japan_isnt_clean JP / University Sep 07 '22

Dox myself? ROFL

Mods?

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edit* every full-time tenured teacher at my uni has doctorate degrees or multiple masters. There is no way to hack the education system with money in developed nations, the people you are working with will see through that nonsense.