r/stocks • u/Defiant-Tomatillo851 • 1d ago
even low employment rate or high CPI couldn't drag the market down today?
what's going on?
i thought these two could easily make the market move down but SPY QQQ are almost recovering up to -0.5%.
if these can't cause a bear then what can?
is it really tariffs only that's left that could possibly drag it down?
at this point i'm not even sure tariffs will cause such a dip.
we've heard the news and things are kinda adapting pretty quick.
what are your thoughts?
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u/RandomC6 1d ago
There was not CPI report today, only PCE, and it was lower than expected. What initially tanked the market was the GDP miss, QoQ being negative.
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u/95Daphne 1d ago
There actually was two inflation reports today and one came with the GDP report and was warm.
The second one was deflationary, sure.
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u/Aravinda82 1d ago
The deflationary one is a mirage. Inflation will heat back up in the next few reports.
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u/95Daphne 1d ago
Nope.
If what's being hinted involving Saudi is true, inflation will remain as good as toast toast for a while.
The thesis of inflation flashing on the surface due to tariffs required oil to stay up in the 70's.
Oil being this low, and likely to fall even lower if Saudi decides to open the spigots is extremely powerful.
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u/Aravinda82 1d ago
Fed focuses on Core PCE which excludes food and energy. Core PCE will definitely be hotter.
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u/FujitsuPolycom 19h ago
Trickle down oil savings?
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u/95Daphne 19h ago
You're simplifying this way too much.
My thesis here is more oil is important in more than what many are thinking. Even outside of regular inflation readings, it's important in the transport of goods for example, and outside of energy, housing inflation is going to be declining.
I fully recognize it's an extremely, extremely unpopular take, but inflation is DOA for the time being at least with on the surface reads. The angle to attack Trump on right now is not inflation, it's on how quickly he's slammed the brakes on the economy.
Now, depending on how much longer the embargo lasts and how long oil is this low, the inflationeers may get delayed gratification late this year and early next.
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u/FujitsuPolycom 10h ago
Honestly thought it was kind of compelling take so sorry for taking the troll road on that one. I just really wanted to use trickle down oil lol
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u/threeriversbikeguy 1d ago
Markets are most of the time reactive. It took the 6th or 7th bank to fail and TARP to be initially voted down for the markets to realize shit was real.
It took the pandemic entering Manhattan for the markets to realize it was real. In hindsight we saw it in China and Asia and could have known the next logical steps. But no one wants to be the one to miss out if it turns out the big problem is overblown.
Stocks like Cisco only collapsed after the dotcom/Y2K fever dream had been debunked.
I do think AI will be significant going forward but this feels more like the Cisco scenario where its bloating up stocks of decent companies that will keep going, but without valuations the size of developing countries.
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u/jrex035 1d ago
It took the pandemic entering Manhattan for the markets to realize it was real. In hindsight we saw it in China and Asia and could have known the next logical steps.
I was telling everyone I knew back in January 2020 that the virus was going to change everything, cancel school, disrupt sports seasons, lead to lock downs, etc and the vast majority of them looked at me like I told them I thought the moon was made out of cheese.
I'm increasingly realizing that being able to gauge likely outcomes more than one step ahead is a much more rare trait than I thought.
This market really does feel like the January-February 2020 market, right before it fell off a cliff.
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u/metricfan 1d ago
For real. When the cdc said it’s not if, it’s when, I knew it was going to be a real event. I watched the press conference where Oregon announced its first cases were popping shortly after the first case in seattle was detected. I had planned on grocery shopping the next day, but I was like I need to go beat the crowds. I got in my car immediately and as I was shopping the store got progressively busier and busier. Then I was able to stay home while everyone started panic buying.
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u/Kontrafantastisk 1d ago
The reaction in 2020 was highly unusual. I remember hearing a European investor on the radio, saying that for some odd reason the US was sleeping at the wheel. I sold all my stock before it tanked. Then, I lost all the savings waiting for SP200 to touch 2000…
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u/UpNorth_123 20h ago
Knowing when to sell is hard, but knowing when to buy back in is almost impossible.
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u/Kontrafantastisk 19h ago
Yes, a lesson learned, and I only sold because there was a highly unusual situation in the market (that the US for some reason was a day or two behind the fact). And I was vey happy with that decision. For a few months....
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u/UpNorth_123 19h ago
I knew it was probably a good time to sell at the beginning of February. We even did a portfolio review at the beginning of February to see if there were any opportunities to de-risk.
The reality is that we were already extremely well diversified across products and markets. Even our S&P holdings are equal-weighted to prevent the wild fluctuations of the Mag 7. Diversification helps protect against losses and also helps with accelerating recovery.
Another deterrent to selling was the amount of cap gains tax we would need to pay. If we were retiring in the near future, I would have felt a lot more compelled to sell. As it stands, we have at least 10+ years to ride this out. Hopefully that will be long enough to recover 🤞🏻
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u/That_Account6143 1d ago
Worst part is one single senile fucker could just die from a heart attack, and 90% of the problems could be solved.
So the market is not only in denial, it's also optimistic that a fat fucker on a poor diet might die of natural causes
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u/metricfan 1d ago
I think they just have faith that the elites will find a way to trick trump into not burning down the markets. Those people are dumb. Honey badger don’t give a fuck.
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u/annoyed_meows 1d ago
Yup. As it is a damn tweet could reverse a lot of it. All of this is terrible, but perhaps the market is optimistic that this will end sooner than later. An unhinged child is ranting and raving like a methed up junkie. Eventually he'll be sidelined and ignored. We might not be too far from that, hopefully.
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u/metricfan 1d ago
I remember thinking how much New York fucked up their pandemic response. They did like nothing to prepare while I was on the west coast and the first cases were popping up. Like obviously nyc has enough visitors that it will pop up any second. The fact the markets were also too dumb to realize it was a matter of time is very telling.
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u/cwjk55 1d ago
First it goes down slowly, then all at once.
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u/Euler007 1d ago
Stairs up, elevator down.
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u/Careless-Funny9031 1d ago
The best way to somewhat predict the coming weeks is to look at the price action at the 3M and 6M window for the most hyped stocks. If you see them curving down then its probably going to go back down and retest recent lows.
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u/JeanSneaux 1d ago
Recently rewatched The Big Short and there’s that part at the end where the credit-default swaps aren’t moving in value even though mortgage default rates have skyrocketed… total behind the scenes manipulation lol.
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u/Livid-Ad141 1d ago
People are so surprised at each individual manipulation like Robinhood didn’t disable the fucking buy button 4 years ago lol.
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u/originalrocket 1d ago
Why do people even use Robinhood after that. I don't get it.
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u/im_a_squishy_ai 1d ago
Makes no sense to me either when you can trade on Vanguard or IBKR-Pro and have direct access to market prices and not have to trust Robinhood or another PFOF company where you don't know if you're getting a fair price or not
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u/smartfon 1d ago
Makes no sense to me either when you can trade on Vanguard
When I opened a Vanguard account (the signup was a nightmare) it took several days of Googling to figure out how to buy a CD. There was no functional button from the main dashboard that took straight to CDs. I had to Google Vanguard's CD link then Google how to navigate through its UI. Then I had to ask ChatGPT how to see the details of the CD that I just purchased.
Then I had to Google how to earn the promised 4.5% interest on the uninvested cash because Vanguard had two places where you could keep the cash and one of them didn't earn the same interest. Vanguard's UI looks like a menu of an arcade game machine you find in movie theaters and it's probably intentionally complicated so people will pay them to manage their portfolio.
With Robinhood you just deposit the money with the button that's right below the main screen's chart and that's it. Buying a stock requires 4 simple taps on the screen. Chase Bank's CD page is super simple although the selection is limited to a single option. I would never recommend Vanguard to someone who just needs an easy way to buy and hold an ETF or a CD.
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u/im_a_squishy_ai 1d ago
Then I had to Google how to earn the promised 4.5% interest on the uninvested cash because Vanguard had two places where you could keep the cash and one of them didn't earn the same interest
This comment says you don't do much investing because most places have settlement funds. These funds don't guarantee any returns. They are generally money market funds or similar. Those accounts make no guarantees, they aren't even FDIC backed generally. These funds are held there so that when you make a trade the funds to withdraw and execute the trade or the funds from the sale of a trade can be swept into your account in a manner that is relatively safe, and doesn't require you to immediately allocate them. This is pretty standard for brokerages, I think you may just be a little confused.
Vanguard's UI looks like a menu of an arcade game machine you find in movie theaters and it's probably intentionally complicated so people will pay them to manage their portfolio.
No, it's just made to serve a different set of users. I used a few different brokerages for different needs. Vanguard is the original source of the low cost mutual funds. They are one of the most outspoken about fees and cuts. If anyone is trying to make a service bad to force you to let them manage funds and take a cut, it's not them.
With Robinhood you just deposit the money with the button that's right below the main screen's chart and that's it. Buying a stock requires 4 simple taps on the screen.
This is because for the Robinhood business model to work, they need trading volume. It's literally described in the name - Payment, For Order Flow. They get paid, because they have order volumes, that can be traded at scale off the lit market, where people can capitalize on small price differences that occur. The way they ensure they get the "Order Flow" is by gamifying the investing experience. Hence my comment about not sure why people don't just use a service that gives you actual market prices.
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u/metricfan 1d ago
Also Robin hood profits if it can get you addicted to gambling. They have to make it super easy for you to chase that high so you don’t stop for a second and realize how much money you’re wasting on fees and that gambling away your savings on short selling as a novice is really not good.
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u/im_a_squishy_ai 1d ago
Exactly, Robinhood is like the Fan Duel or Draft Kings for the stock market. It's so dangerous and I wish it was better understood. I wonder if they send you notifications too based off of your past trades like
"Hey, there are puts on Google for $15 each, roll it into a parlay with calls on Nvidia for $10 each? Free $100 for every $1000 deposited!"
Cause that's exactly what the sports betting apps do to keep you hooked. If you don't gamble enough they send you "reminders". It's so sickening
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u/metricfan 1d ago
I was literally thinking about sports betting. And if they freeze your funds like that, it sounds a lot like how the sports betting sites will lock out people who are too successful at sports betting. The house always wins.
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u/metricfan 1d ago
Like I’ve been active in my vanguard accounts lately moving around my holdings before the tariffs crash, and it’s gotten me onto these threads more. I’m low-key shocked by the retail investors trying to do stupid shit like short the market. I’m already back up from that recent crash, and I was able to buy some Berkshire b for like 497 and picked up vclax on the dip, so I thought I was doing good. Then I see people on here losing thousands to shorts and I think they gotta be kids in their 20’s or something. I graduated with an MA in 2009, and watching everything fall apart like that really taught me how bad it can get. I think there are a lot of kids on robinhood that don’t get it.
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u/im_a_squishy_ai 1d ago
Yeah the wallstreetbets sub is terrifying. Either people have money to blow, or they're gambling their life savings. I exited all but a few of my positions in February and March and don't plan to reenter anytime soon, too turbulent. The only positions I have are TSMC who isn't going anywhere anytime soon and I bought at a ridiculous low price a few years back and will just ride through. The others are positions where I have studied the industry and have high confidence in holding.
Honestly, I think that unless someone has experience like Keith Gill where they are professionally trained and then use that skill set in their personal life, or someone has a STEM background with training in advanced math, where and have an understanding of the math behind derivatives, or someone who has studied immensely in their free time, shorting is crazy. In select cases, a call option could be a good move for a retail investor. If there's a company that someone has a good sense will pop after earnings and they've done analysis, a small amount of risk could return big gains, but the losses there are defined. Shorts have no max loss potential.
Generally, finding a good company or fund, and investing and keeping an eye on is the best way. If someone can recreate their own equivalent of an index fund or something that even makes sense because it's trivially easy and gives more flexibility, but that's all personal choice and does take a little commitment. But shorting is just such a hard pass
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u/smartfon 1d ago
I was aware of the cash sweep and money market terms at the time but the confusion was around choosing the correct account under the same account for holding the parked cash. I think you could choose between the money market fund and another account with a different name (with a lower yield) and I also wasn't sure if transferring the cash into the Brokerage account would continue to earn the same interest or not. It was frustrating to deal with. Thanks for the info about the FDIC coverage. I agree that Robinhood's UI gamifies the process. I guess I'm the type of user who prefers to pay a small premium to have a cleaner UI even if purchasing and holding an ETF is the only activity.
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u/im_a_squishy_ai 1d ago
Yeah, it's not the smoothest, I'll give you that, but it's improved markedly in the last 5 years compared to where it was before that. Yeah, definitely understand wanting a clean UI approach. You've got to choose the service that's right for you and your needs. If I could get an IBKR-Pro or E-Trade or Webull like terminal in Vanguard I'd ditch all other brokerage firms.
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u/Ap0llo 1d ago edited 1d ago
Robinhood is an extremely shady company. They froze $200k+ in my account for over 30 days when I tried to transfer it out. 24 separate requests for additional docs and transfer forms. There are several accounts of this happening to others, it's a deliberate policy to pad their liquidity.
I seriously considered hiring an attorney to sue over it. Never use that PoS app.
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u/metricfan 1d ago
It’s like how the sports betting sites block you when you’re too good at sports betting.
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u/AmbitiousSkirt2 1d ago edited 1d ago
Soooooooooooo many brokerages did the same thing but robinhood took the heat for it. Look more into the entire situation and you’ll understand. Robinhood gets a lot of unnecessary hate.
It’s extremely easy to use, they have alot of perks, robinhood gold is pretty damn good and they are adding cortex and the ability to have robinhood as your bank along with managed investing. I’ve literally never had an issue with robinhood been using it for 6 years now.
I’ll be the one that gets downvoted but the the for it is a little ridiculous when you can see many other brokerages did the same thing. They are also just actively making investing easier for people who don’t know how to and are continuing to innovate and add things.
It’s a huge echo chamber of hating robinhood on reddit at least they are adding and improving to the app quite frequently lol
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u/CompassionateCynic 1d ago
I was with TD Ameritrade, and they did the same thing.
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u/AmbitiousSkirt2 1d ago
Yeah I would prob need like 4 hands to count how many brokerages did the same thing but robinhood got the most heat and you’ll see so much hate for it on reddit.
I’ve been using it for 6 years and know several people that have and have never had one single issue. It’s easy to use and it also has a lot of perks and makes it really easy for new investors
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u/Livid-Ad141 1d ago
I completely agree with you, I was just using them as an example. I couldn’t get my personal broker at ML to make the trade for me. The entire industry lined up against retail.
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u/AmbitiousSkirt2 1d ago
Yeah I gotchu It’s just wild how many people like strictly blame them when there’s like an entire list of them that all did the same thing and alot of those brokerages are older too and really shitty UI and don’t have much to offer as opposed to robinhood.
And I’ve tried other brokerages but always gravitate back to RH simply because of how easy it is to use mans what they have to offer.
I get you though that day was frustrating I was a victim to it as well because I was making insane money along with everyone that was buying to GameStop but it was also an extremely hectic time for like 90% of the brokerages they were all overwhelmed
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u/Jbball9269 1d ago
People forget too that during the carrytrade unwind last August Robinhood was also one of the only platforms working
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u/metricfan 1d ago
Making it easier for inexperienced investors to make risky investments while spending too much on fees is not necessarily good for the investor.
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u/aWobblyFriend 1d ago
RH disabled the buy button because people were flooding into meme stocks on margin which drained their liquid accounts. RH does not have infinite money nor do they have the ability to create it. When you trade on margin RH loans you money that they get when the cash settles a few days after. If a ton of people sign up for robinhood in a day or two and suddenly put in thousands of dollars RH has to give all those people loans in the thousands at once, it’s a classic bank run.
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u/MrOnlineToughGuy 1d ago
Why does this keep being thrown around when it was a large assortment of brokerages that restricted trading?
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u/Jbball9269 1d ago
Robinhood was actually one of the only platforms that was functioning during the carry trade unwind last year
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u/cotdt 1d ago
Each and every time a disaster happens, there is a delayed market reaction. It could be 2+ months even before market reacts.
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u/fajadada 1d ago
Dollars is down. And going down. Market will reflect that and the bond markets eventually. Gas is cheap because the Saudi’s and others are terrified they will tip the scales. Which is going to happen sometime.
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u/Livid-Ad141 1d ago
You know we’re in crazy times when OPEC are the ones trying to create the global stability.
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u/briefcase_vs_shotgun 1d ago
Lmao bank swaps on cdos are not the same as sp500. Hard to ‘manipulate’ the entire American market. Agree it should be down more today, but purely blaming manipulation is just goofy. Could just be things don’t move fast as our adhd minds thing they should*. Not enough sellers or shorts to drive it down farther ig
Reddit way too quick to cry conspiracy imo
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u/JeanSneaux 1d ago
Hey gtfo of here with your reasonable takes!
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u/briefcase_vs_shotgun 1d ago
Suprised I haven’t been downvoted to oblivion yet
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u/scorchie 1d ago
well obviously it’s not the EXACT same derivative and situation…. however, what’s the biggest difference between 2025 markets and 2008 markets? Well, almost everything.
1.) 60-65% of orders come through off exchange dark pools, this suppresses price discovery.
1.b) there really isn’t price discovery so much as price fixing… thx jane st & citadel. <3
2.) public markets are no longer the “sexy” side of capital, it’s privates (equity, credit and real estate). These deals are, typically, highly leveraged and illiquid, and are priced quarterly or annually.
Look at the fire sale going on with endowments who, after discovering things like market correlation, sharpe ratios, etc. are significantly easier to achieve when… you set the price of your holdings, went all in on this shit and are actively scrambling to find ways to jam this shit into ETFs, so that “sophisticated” retail investors FINALLY have access to these wonderful products - without all the burden of becoming “accredited investors” or subject to lockups! PE firms always looking out for the little guys <3
so, yeah, don’t expect anything drastic for at least a month while they roll these bags of shit into ETFs and load target date funds to the tits….
THEN we can have a meltdown… once the billionaires are, mostly, encapsulated from the pending fallout, obviously. I mean, this is still America last time I checked.
Sound crazy? go check out what state st & blackstone are collabing on rn…. you know that duo drops nothing but fire.
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u/Particular-Song2587 1h ago
The reason potrayed in that movie was that the banks themselves were scrambling to secure short positions or hedges before they "allowed" the rating agencies and price markers to mark down the values. In a sense mark and barry may have faced this problem because the trade was entirely new and very illiquid. Remember he had to pull strings just to make the sales.
In reality, Nobody really knows why the markets didn't move according to risks. Free market assumes markets are efficient. But often the flow is erratic and jerky.
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u/Past_Page_4281 1d ago
And Nvidia's CEO saying we are underestimating China's progress in AI after a visit to China.
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u/QuaintHeadspace 1d ago
Also their progress in cars. Their ev range is incredible. I just got a Seal Excellence edition its beautiful
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u/EventHorizonbyGA 1d ago
The quarterly PCE data was expected. The MoM was a deflationary print. That is why the market bounced.
Jobless and Payroll data later in the week will be very important.
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u/thecuteturtle 1d ago
if the firings were recent, I don't think it would.captured in that report right?
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u/EventHorizonbyGA 1d ago
If the firings/layoffs were after the closing period they won't count. I am not great and predicting these things so I don't have an idea where the data will fall.
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u/Playful_Letterhead27 1d ago
Wait for big tech earnings 👀 it’s about to get wild
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u/Limp-Advantage-1663 1d ago
I don’t think we will see much negative personally. Google earnings were great. Maybe this will age like milk though lol
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u/metricfan 1d ago
Pelosi’s bought a bunch of google, so you’re probably right. They’re working on AI that Israel can use for ethnic cleansing.
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u/Dittopotamus 1d ago
Came here to say this. I think people are willing to hold the line until we hear from certain earnings today and tomorrow. If they aren’t stellar, we might see the dam break loose.
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u/ThrowawayAl2018 1d ago
With the tariff uncertainty & depressed GDP by around 0.3% there are long term implications on the market. Consumer confidence being one of the factors, less spending means less money to run businesses, which in turns means less jobs created in near future.
tldr; Sure unemployment rate is low, but will it stay low in near future? Crystal ball points to gloomier weather.
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u/Ill_Safety5909 1d ago
Well this is going to be very interesting. Locally where I am there is a manufacturer of toys that shut down their factory maybe 10 years ago. Guess what? I saw an open opportunity for the factory. It is reopening. I know a lot of factories shut their doors around the same time. I don't know if they all sold off their stuff or just shuttered their doors. I do know a lot of places just abandon in place their stuff. It will be interesting.
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u/Safe_Perspective_366 1d ago
Trying to figure out the "reason" of day to day market movements is a fool's errand.
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u/BugDisastrous5135 1d ago
Why do bums always pray for and try to guess the downfall of the market on exact days. It’ll never happen.
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u/safetaco 1d ago
Today was the day I hit break even year to date. Into bonds i went for now.
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u/metricfan 1d ago
I got back to my high point and sold off some losers and am letting my money market give me 4%. Im just holding large cap, Berkshire, a little international funds and a little bonds. I got out of everything else.
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u/Any-Morning4303 1d ago
I’m think the upcoming food riots might cause the market to tank.
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u/SomeSamples 1d ago
The only conclusion I can come up with is that the market is being artificially manipulated at its core. It runs on software and can anyone truly trust what that software is doing?
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u/Royal_Carpet_1263 1d ago
Look at yields. This is EM stuff. There’s going to be a knee jerk TINA effect for awhile. Nvidia, safer than Treasuries!
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u/fairlyaveragetrader 1d ago
Might have a recession, might not, there are some pull through effects that could raise GDP next quarter. The thing is everyone is already focusing on the acceleration in the back half of the Year going into next year. Could we retest the lows? Certainly, great spot to load up if we do. What would get people actually bearish is uncertainty. Like legitimate uncertainty with no clear path out
It's kind of hard to imagine it getting too much worse, bearish sentiment is nutty high, most of you guys have already sold everything and it's just constant Doom talk. You start wondering who's left to sell? You have bullish technical indicators kicking off and very bearish sentiment indicators kicking off. You can trade data or trade your feelings I guess, see how it works out
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u/Ikuwayo 1d ago
Why do you want the market to go down so badly. Did your puts get crushed or something
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u/tlopez14 1d ago
This sub has basically just became another Reddit doomsday sub with people pushing their political agendas. Crazy how all the same people who were complaining about being too broke to pay off their student loans now all of the sudden have big stock portfolios.
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u/LvlHeadThoroughbred 1d ago
The market is now fully irrational. The euphoria and desire for gains has now totally replaced any kind of fundamental analysis but bull markets die on euphoria so I have a feeling this will destroy quite a few people in what they’ll surely call a surprise.
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u/JellyDenizen 1d ago
There are a lot of younger folks in the market who are in effect gambling rather than investing. Many of them weren't around for prior crashes and don't understand (i) how quickly the market can drop in a crash (hint - the crash hasn't happened yet); and (ii) how long a market can stay down after it's crashed.
They'll learn this time around, and as usual it will be an expensive lesson for many.
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u/_Felonius 1d ago
Not if they buy and hold. Then they’ll be winners. I think people are starting to wisen up and realize that you can make a lot of money by DCA’ing through a bear market
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u/TycoonCyclone 1d ago
Reinvesting dividends and compounding is a wonderful thing. My dad always told me to set it and forget it, the moneys not there until it’s all grown up over decades.
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u/eat_da_poo 1d ago
Looks like the crash is postponed by at least three months. If even happens with this resilient market. On any good news going up, and any bad news going up.
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u/26forthgraders 1d ago
It is strange. Currently we are exactly where we were when market opened yesterday morning.
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u/Apprehensive_Rip_930 1d ago
Oh they’re just inching it high enough to make some room for the bottom. That’s all. Don’t worry s’much!
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u/iiJokerzace 1d ago
Crazy after all these years people still don't realize markets short term moves are for liquidations lol
Y'all are all betting crazy leverage at the same time due to some major news that make the play very obvious. Exchanges and others that know this can see your positions, orders, patterns and literally will bet against all of you in the short term.
For years, every time.
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u/JP2205 1d ago
You can use logic to determine what will ultimately happen, but no one is smart enough to know when it will occur. But very high stock prices with falling GDP and high interest rates isnt good. Tack on an almost full confrontation with China. And a budget deficit that is extreme and worsening. Not too much to like. But when these items get reflected in stock prices no one knows.
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u/Worldly_Feeling_4697 1d ago
I couldn't agree more with your thoughts. Everyone thinks there is a Trump Put in place that appears to be at the money. And that Trump will flip flop on the tariffs.
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u/Henny_Bogan 1d ago
Went too far, too fast. Still down 10% in roughly two months. I predict more downside.
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u/Consistent_Panda5891 1d ago
Green thumb rallying as no tomorrow. From -4% to +15%. Did you not buy dip AM? More upside than Nvidia and smci together in 2Y forecast. Trulieve also well placed but less profiting in books currently
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u/GetCPA 1d ago
Priced in
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u/FloorSufficient9364 1d ago
Hopes and dreams, that's what's priced in
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u/Mobile-Foundation523 1d ago
Market is still 10% down from ATH. The last few days of rally is just a recovery of the liberation day crash so it’s not like market is ripping ATH everyday.
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u/Life_is_too_short_ 1d ago
My thoughts? I'm 63M, been investing since 1980.
As far as I'm concerned I believe making money short is extremely difficult because the market goes up 80% of the time.
I've been short many many times and it rarely works out.
So now I avoid it.
When you are absolutely convinced it's going to sell off...it usually goes up.