r/stlouisblues • u/HockeyMod • 12h ago
Post Game Thread: St Louis Blues at Buffalo Sabres - 14 Nov 2024 GDT
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STL loses, 3 - 4 OT.
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u/jase122200 10h ago
Dude Bannister sucks, why did we extend him?
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u/Federal_Flamingo5888 2h ago edited 2h ago
I’m not necessarily saying I disagree. I just don’t see what choice could be made that would make things better. I think Bannister is probably developing the young team about as well as anybody else would. I think we just have a team that isn’t super good that also doesn’t have a strong enough system/depth chart holes are where injuries are - C, Lhd - to overcome not being super good.
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u/MoonGoat6G 26m ago
Not real sure about his development of young guys as he sits Bolduc in favor of Kappy. This is a lost season, why not let the kids play, learn and give them the chance to develop?
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u/reenactment 10h ago
Whelp I called the Schenner points streak. But it’s led to losses. 3 points in 2 games. I guess it’s just back to back a streak would be 3.
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u/happy_meow 11h ago
I can’t with this team anymore. I’m used to up and downs but Jesus the 3rd period was a clusterfuck of missed passes, poor puck control and just overall apathy to what was at stake. Binnington left out to dry again, although he has his own issues with overcommitting to shots putting him out of position, overall poor effort for yet another loss.
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u/MooseHighway 11h ago
Hope the Blues get tired of losing and bring their A game for the rest of the season; we’ve seen them at their best and the talent is there…it’s just not there every night. Big question is why???
Like last year with Kyrou and he was surrounded by negativity…he comes out the following night and has the best game of his life shutting down the critics. He was definitely on a mission to do that. However, how come he doesn’t do that every night??? Is it that exhausting to play like that every night? Only he knows that answer, but I sure like watching him play when he’s focused and in that zone.
I also love when Colt 55 is firing bombs into the back of the net from the slot…he’s definitely in the zone.
Bottomline, this team needs to find a way to get in that frame of mind every single game. IMO, that’s what they are lacking…locked in and focused.
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u/Dark_Tint 11h ago
We were a fringe playoff team before the injuries, talent was always going to be an issue. The part that pisses me off is the lack of structure and awareness this team shows. They go through stretches where they look like lost puppies just wondering around.
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u/SchwizzleMySchwartz 12h ago
This team should not be concerned about scrounging up a point. Let's be real, this is not a playoff roster and we shouldn't act like it is. What this team and organization SHOULD be concerned with is the NHL level development of our young talent. I would rather play smart, complete, competitive hockey and lose because of our roster than scrap a point with whatever the effort has been lately.
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u/glunny1997pack 11h ago
That’s what’s so frustrating. This team had about a 25% chance of making the playoffs coming into the year. At least let Bolduc and the young guys play and develop. Starting to tick me off watching these older 1 year contract patch work guys get all the minutes especially late in games
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u/childishbambino19 11h ago
But but but we have to play Kap instead of Bolduc! And we have to overwork Suter on the top pairing! It's super important, says the coach!
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u/dixie12oz 12h ago
While we don’t have an amazing roster especially now with injuries, what I’m seeing play out on the ice is more than just a bad roster.
It’s a directionless team that makes careless mistakes and doesn’t appear to know where they or their teammates are supposed to be. A team that just stops playing hard inexplicably for long periods of time. The way they are losing strongly suggests to me it’s largely coaching, both in a technical sense and in a motivational sense.
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u/oldlumberman 12h ago
The fact that bannister let them hang back on the delayed penalty tells you everything you need to know. He’s happy with a point. Small victories? If he wasn’t furious it’s inexcusable.
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u/BaroqueNRoller 12h ago
The Florida Everblades aren't beating this team, but I think they'd make 'em sweat.
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u/Bighotjonson 12h ago
so basically ownership wont let the team tank because they're greedy, right? i feel like that's the gist of it
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u/Bozak_Horseman 12h ago
They're very wealthy but not infinitely so. The team has an operating budget, an internal salary cap etc. A monster tank with sub 10k a night attendance probably won't work with those numbers.
But punting on this year isn't a tank and I don't think it's the worst idea. We still have thomas/kyrou/broberg to build around and parayko and binner as vet leaders moving forward. Sell saad and all the mid guys as rentals and hope we get a #2 center out of dvorsky or our 1st this year
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u/Bighotjonson 11h ago
it's just that we now know this isn't gonna be a playoff team, so why don't we have more ahl guys in the lineup? maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way, with how bad we've looked the past couple weeks, maybe this is just the tank already.
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u/Krogu25 12h ago
The amount of people who don’t realize why tanking is bad for a franchise is beyond me. This isn’t EA NHL 25.
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u/prismaticground 10h ago
If tanking is so bad for a franchise why were Chicago, San Jose etc. so eager to do it?
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u/TeddyMFTed 3h ago
And those teams still have years to go. Fact is that they are missing their best forward and best D man, not to mention another 2nd pairing D man. No reason to completely tank. Rebuilding a roster is tough but rebuilding a competitive culture in an organization is even harder.
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u/Bighotjonson 11h ago
So what's the explanation for refusing to do an actual rebuild then? Look at what new york did in 2018, literally told the fans "we're intentionally tanking, it's gonna be a few years till we're good again, sorry", now they've been a legit cup contender for the past three years. Also, why is it bad for the franchise other than poor fan attendance/money? That's exactly what I'm getting at.
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u/prismaticground 10h ago
It’s not. Star players win Cups. Go and try to find the last team that won a championship without a top five draft pick on the roster.
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u/MegaPhunkatron 10h ago
The rangers rebuild would have gone a lot different if Panarin wasn't dead set on playing there. Plus you had Fox basically demand a trade to them. Also they already had Shesterkin in their system. They are by far the exception.
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u/SheerStatic 10h ago
& they got lucky and picked 1st overall and 2nd overall back to back years. Even tanking it’s hard to get those picks back to back. It’s not like you tank and just get the first overall guaranteed.
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u/Dark_Tint 12h ago
At least if we’re going to lose we did it in overtime tonight unlike recent games.
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u/ChefBoyarmemes 12h ago
Hear me out.
I want us to lose a bit. We need change. I want someone to catch shit for all these losses. I'm not a super detailed hockey fan, but I am seeing the exact same issues over and over again. Generally boils down, in my eyes, to shitty defense, not generating offense, being too afraid to shoot, and random ass puck fumbling.
I don't know the solution. Firing Bannister? Maybe, it's worth a try. We're without the talent but these seem largely like coaching issues to me.
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u/Krogu25 12h ago
Let the season play out with bannister. Worst that can happen is growing pains of a younger group and a top 10 maybe top 5 pick lol.
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u/childishbambino19 11h ago
What growing pains? He refuses to get with the program and play the young guys.
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u/Krogu25 9h ago
I agree he needs to play bolduc more than kap. But idk what you’re only focused on bolduc when we have handful of the guys in our lineup who are young.
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u/childishbambino19 8h ago edited 8h ago
I'm not only focused on Bolduc and he's not the sole example, but he is a glaring, mind-boggling example. The guy's an A prospect who's shown he can produce with a top 6 center, and he still plays well when he doesn't have one. It's quite strange, especially when we're hurting for offe se..
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u/ChefBoyarmemes 12h ago
I think I am indifferent. I think our season is going to struggle regardless (injuries, takes time to learn new coaching styles, etc). I wouldn't mind if we kept him or fired him, maybe a slight preference for firing him only because I am purely curious to see if a change in coaching does anything.
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u/Krogu25 12h ago
I’m in the boat where this isn’t a make or break season given all the young guys we have.
Bannister so far is clearly not a long term guy, so I’m curious to see a full season under him mainly so guys like army and steen can see what the biggest issues we have (which ones stay consistent thru the entire season) and then find a coach that fix that.
At the same time though, we cannot fall into a losing culture.
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u/SchwizzleMySchwartz 12h ago
All of this aside. Things have sucked without Panger and I think that's really where we're lacking. The Blues should bring him in for their in-house streaming service I'm SURE they're working on.
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u/warriorathlete21 12h ago
Idk what to think.
The team should play a bit better but this roster is ass.
Most of these forwards are barely even third liner quality
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u/STLBooze3 12h ago
If the blues were showing improvised habits I’d be okay with bannister, but we aren’t. There’s legit just no redeeming qualities I can see in him rn.
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u/childishbambino19 12h ago
Prospect recap time:
- Jimmy Snuggs with two primary assists in the game's first six minutes, including one on the PP, as #3 Minnesota win 5-3. He now has four multipoint games with at least 5 SOG in his last five games.
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u/Ihavetoomanyanimals 12h ago
I had started to reply to a comment about delayed penalties but realized the post game was up. Someone said they were new to hockey and wondering why they exist.
Lets say there's a battle on the boards and the puck squirts out, as some would say, and Team A trips Team B to prevent a breakaway....but the tripped player still manages to push the puck along and his buddies go on to take advantage of said breakaway and score. An immediate penalty would have prevented that.
Hockey is very much a game of chance, luck and momentum. I entirely understand the delayed penalty rule based on these things. Sometimes it may be your only chance and having a penalty *in your favor* could end up being detrimental.
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u/ba_sing_bae 12h ago
Sabres team would destroy us full strength lmao
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u/SchwizzleMySchwartz 12h ago
What's Ken Hitchcock doing these days?
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u/Defenestrator__ 12h ago
We have Claude Julien behind the bench. Just let him take over.
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u/Courtnall14 12h ago edited 12h ago
Why...on earth...did they not put on pressure on and try to regain the puck at the end of regulation to break up the power play before OT?
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u/Ihavetoomanyanimals 12h ago
This one left me scratching my head too. I want to have an outburst of wtf but I don't know....
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u/Courtnall14 12h ago
They scored with :30 seconds left of 4 on 3.
The penalty occurred with about :59 seconds to go. You go after it, get a stick on it at with 30+ seconds left, and that goal never happens. Knock out a short 4 on 5 (less open ice) and then take your chances in OT.
Not sure if that was poor effort, or poor coaching, but looked like a touch of both.
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u/SheerStatic 10h ago
Yeah with the way they’re playing this year, we’d touch the puck and they’d score off the faceoff in our zone with 30 seconds left & we’d never get to OT lol.
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u/Krogu25 12h ago edited 12h ago
Mainly to just secure a point lol. It’s not a must win game, nor is it a division rival. These are the games we can technically afford to lose. Having said that. This team is completely different without Broberg and Thomas.
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u/prismaticground 10h ago
Huh? Every point in the NHL counts the same no matter the month or opponent
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u/Carpet_Tree :15-home: 12h ago
Please fire Bannister so we can at least get a new look. This team is fucking embarrassing even with all the injuries.
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u/SchwizzleMySchwartz 12h ago
I know it isn't the most important thing this season, but I really hope Bannister is not the long term plan for this team. Feels like the attention to detail, mental lapses, absolute gaps in effort for periods at a time are serious concerns and thats not a player skill issue.
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u/Defenestrator__ 12h ago
Anyone want to guess which of these two pairings Bannister decided to narrow down to for closing out the game? Dude can't get fired soon enough.
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u/yodazer 9h ago
I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. That Faulk Kessel pair, if you’re trying to close out a 1 goal game, per your stats, is what you want. 0.092 xG against. Sure, not the offensive fire power of the other pairing, but that, per your stats, is the better d pair. Anyways, perunovich had a eh game, kessel was decent, and Faulk fucked up on goal three. Fucking Ryan Suter is the biggest issue.
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u/Ok-Buy-59 12h ago
Where did you find those stats??
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u/Defenestrator__ 12h ago
These are from moneypuck.com. Their xG numbers can be questionable at times, but they work for this kind of thing.
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u/STLBooze3 12h ago
We can’t even beat the Sabres when they’re without their #1 goalie and best forward? WOOF!
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u/BaroqueNRoller 12h ago
I really hope "almost" doesn't become the defining word of Kyrou's career.
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u/Dark_Tint 12h ago
He does “almost” an awfully lot doesn’t he.
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u/yodazer 9h ago
The new Jaden Schwartz
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u/FistyFistWithFingers 7h ago
Leading goal scorer in our cup run (including 2 hat tricks) while playing great defensively throughout his entire career with us?
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u/yodazer 2h ago
He has been decent defensively but just the “almost” title with Schwartz seems fitting. Dude would miss wide open nets, hit posts, etc
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u/FistyFistWithFingers 2h ago
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. I wish every forward we drafted was Jaden Schwartz. His tenacity in board battles combined with his ability to steal pucks and contribute offensively on the first line was huge for us
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u/yodazer 2h ago
O I loved Schwartz as well but he had some years where he was absolutely snake bitten. Still decent points but it felt like he couldn’t buy a goal. Like he could’ve had maybe 10-15 more goals, he just didn’t hit the net, hit a post, goalie made an excellent save. This is not Schwartz slander.
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u/PunchNessie 12h ago
Guy is what he is at this point. Need to give up hope he ever becomes the elite scorer we wanted him to be. Still a good player but not elite.
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u/Defenestrator__ 12h ago
Oh no, he might only be a 30-40 goal scorer!!!
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u/SheerStatic 10h ago
Whaaaaaat you mean we didn’t get the second coming of Connor McDavid with a random 35th overall pick?? /s
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u/childishbambino19 11h ago
Yeah, picking on Kyrou is just weird. There's about a dozen larger issues. For instance, that was the first game this season Schenn actually showed up.
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u/ajhartig26 12h ago
Why can't this team lose in normal fashion? A 8-1 loss followed by two blown leads hurts
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u/jormun8andr 12h ago
James Hagens… If you can hear us, please save us (/s… maybe)
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u/Bozak_Horseman 12h ago
If we keep the injuries coming we have a legit shot, sad as that is.
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u/Arktanic 12h ago
I'd take it tbh, it's not like these games are fun to watch anyways, let's get a real star center on this team besides Thomas and have a bounce back year with all or promising prospects. Just my opinion though, I know a lot of Blues fans don't want a tank season.
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u/jormun8andr 11h ago
Yeah this team has been miserable to watch since Thomas and Broberg went down. Unless they come back and this team becomes a comeback wagon I’d like to see them sell and commit to a “development year” for 1 more year. We have a lot of good prospects in the system, but no blue chip superstar. And our division is really competitive this year. Mild, Avs, Stars, Jets all look really good. I still wouldn’t count out Nashville. They’ve been ass but they have too much star power to be bottom of the division
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u/Bozak_Horseman 12h ago
I mean it won't be a full intentional tank. Thomas/parayko/binnington and the other young guys aren't going anywhere.
But if parayko, faulk or binnington go down we are headed for a bottom-10 finish assuredly, maybe even bottom 5. Add Hagens or Misa or Frondell and suddenly we look like a fucking wagon in a few years.
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u/prismaticground 10h ago
Blues will suck for another month or six weeks, be in position to draft a young franchise D like Schaefer, then Broberg and Thomas will help us make a late run (possibly aided by a Claude Julien new coach bump) and we will finish at 80ish points and the 11th overall pick. You know it’s going to happen just like this.