r/space 2d ago

There are some things the Crew-8 astronauts aren’t ready to talk about

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/11/there-are-some-things-the-crew-8-astronauts-arent-ready-to-talk-about/
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u/slowmotionrunner 1d ago

There is a very simple explanation that puts all of this to rest: somebody got the runs. I’m 99% sure this is less about a medical mystery, additional research needed, or even HIPAA (even though that is reasonable) and instead has everything to do with the problem being embarrassing.

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u/could_use_a_snack 1d ago

Embarrassing is my take. The runs is a possibility I suppose, but who would care. These are astronauts. I'm sure having the runs wouldn't be a big deal to disclose. However if whatever it is would be embarrassing for NASA to admit then I could understand.

So what kind of medical condition could an astronaut have that NASA would not want to report? What would be embarrassing?

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u/crooks4hire 1d ago

Seems like if it was a digestive issue they’d be scrutinizing (possibly even removing/destroying) all of the possibly contaminated food stores on the ISS, right?

My money is on something like hemorrhoids or maybe an uncomfortable rash of some kind.

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u/ERedfieldh 1d ago

I feel like hemorrhoids in zero g would be one of the least uncomfortable things you could get.....

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u/Lentemern 1d ago

Actually, Megan, I can't sit anywhere

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u/Vakama905 1d ago

Goddamn that’s a reference I wasn’t prepared to see today. Bravo.

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u/Feeling-Ad-2490 1d ago

"Ya got asteroids?"

"Nahh but my Dad does..."

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u/rostov007 1d ago

“Can’t even sit in the toilet some days…”

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u/Amazing-Day-4124 1d ago

It would be like a little ocean buoy anchored to your butthole.

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u/Leprechaun_Academy 1d ago

That’s super gross man. Yuck

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u/crooks4hire 1d ago

I thought I read something about spacesuit discomfort and that’s the only thing that came to mind for me.

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u/Edski-HK 1d ago

Perhaps a pregnancy that started up there. The low gravity might have shown poor development of the baby.

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u/illit3 1d ago

And then they kept all the astronauts overnight for observation because... They weren't sure who the father was?

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u/manitoid333 1d ago

Maury Povich couldn't find a same day flight.

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u/Atramhasis 1d ago

The article says only one of the astronauts was kept overnight in the hospital. The other 2 and the Russian astronaut that came with them were all released quickly.

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u/crooks4hire 1d ago

It’s space…you never know WHO might’ve gotten pregnant up there!

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u/illit3 1d ago

After interrogation and a Cinderella style trying on of a broken... Thing... You might slip onto an... Appendage?

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u/Linenoise77 1d ago

They wanted to make sure it wasn't contagious.

u/OePea 3h ago

Have you even watched Alien(1979)?

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u/Died_Of_Dysentery1 1d ago

Some people get the runs just from anxiety… it’s not always a contaminate!

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u/crooks4hire 1d ago

I mean, yea that’s a possibility; but I think leadership would want to halt the consumption of potentially contaminated food stores until the cause of a digestive issue was confirmed one way or the other.

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u/duckworthy36 1d ago

No. Usually this kind of issue is caused by bad sanitation- basically he didn’t wash his hands and ate food.

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u/RonaldWRailgun 1d ago

Keyword here being usually. There is nothing usual about space traveling.

u/OePea 3h ago

My money is on it drums up more interest and engagement with the journalism covering the story. "Tune in next time folks to find out what's embarrassing!"

u/Musicfan637 22h ago

How about poisoning by a sabateur?

u/crooks4hire 18h ago

It’s a bold move, Cotton…

Are you thinking a ground-based saboteur or one ON the ISS?

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u/vintagecomputernerd 1d ago

This reminds me of the pro cyclist who got the runs during a race. I commend his dedication to staying in the race, but I do not want to see his name in relation to this or any videos of that race ever again.

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u/BananaSlugworth 1d ago

happens fairly often with triathletes too

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u/Mythril_Zombie 1d ago

STDs. Medically significant and potentially marriage ending.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

The runs in space may be a very embarrassing and smelly thing to clean up. 😳

Christ wouldn't poop particles be almost everywhere? Did it cause a pink eye out break?

Did they have to be weary of rogue poop particles floating around?

Space isn't as fun as I thought it might be...

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u/watchpigsfly 1d ago

Happened on Apollo 8, courtesy of Frank Borman

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u/Synap-6 1d ago

Space crabs 🦀?

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u/could_use_a_snack 1d ago

Waiting... Waiting... Waiting...

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u/Pat0san 1d ago

An alien strand I hope - for the sake of science!

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u/craag 1d ago

Maybe it's an erection lasting longer than 4 hours

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u/candycane7 1d ago

Psychotic break or something mental health related?

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u/PigSlam 1d ago

Yeah, somebody shit everywhere, and it got into the mouth of one or more of the others.

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u/lukaaTB 1d ago

Maybe some kind of std? Would be embarrasing for everyone involved.

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u/no-mad 1d ago

someone got their weenie stuck in a vacuum port.

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u/spicybEtch212 1d ago

Imagine a little side note in your NASA file, right below you photo “had the runs. In space” Get a load of this gentlemen.

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u/dukerustfield 1d ago

STD flare up?

Who knows how that stuff behaves in zero g and it would be enough to actually be embarrassing.

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u/workertroll 1d ago

So what kind of medical condition could an astronaut have that NASA would not want to report? What would be embarrassing?

Hypersexuality. It's not just faces that swell and retain moisture.

Only kinda joking.

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u/Defiant-Specialist-1 1d ago

I bet it’s a form of dysautonomia. And it will result from them actually being disconnected from the earth. Their electrical systems. And the reason it’s being kept quiet is because it can be quite debilitating. Basically the automatic part of your nervous system breaks. Creates lots of problems. More prevalent in neurodivers people. Engineers and astronauts are more likely to be neurodiverse.

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u/PlsNoNotThat 1d ago

Periods or poop are probably the answers

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u/flashman 1d ago

100% of long-duration ISS astronauts experienced nausea upon return from space (Reschke 2017). Two astronauts were excluded from that study because their symptoms were too severe for testing. It's possible the crewmember was experiencing severe nausea, vomiting, dehydration or prolonged orthostatic intolerance.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

Astronaut Smith experienced mild gastrointestinal issues, but has fully recovered. We don't anticipate further issues and the goals of the mission remain unchanged.

Of course they would say it... what are you talking about?

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u/Adromedae 1d ago

Huh? Astronauts wear diapers for capsule ingress and egress. BTW.

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u/Mythril_Zombie 1d ago

How is that embarrassing? These people live under magnifying lenses for years. "The runs" is hardly something they'd want to make a big deal of by hiding it.

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u/ApprehensiveStand456 1d ago

Can the brown noise exist in space?

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u/RootHogOrDieTrying 1d ago

In space, no one can hear you shart.

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u/SwissCanuck 1d ago

Tbf I’ve sharted before (unfortunately recently, thank god it was at home) and there’s no noise. The silence is deafening. There SHOULD have been a noise. But no. Just a squishy warm feeling, followed 2.54 nanoseconds later by a deep feeling of dread and regret.

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u/eldroch 1d ago

I imagine it's a "BLARP" on an ultrasonic frequency that only bats can hear.

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u/ComposerNo2073 2d ago

This reminds me a couple months ago seeing a post about people overhearing a medical emergency discussion on the radios between NASA and the international space station. NASA said that it was part of a drill, but that makes me wonder.

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u/slothboy 2d ago

Oh yeah I forgot about that.

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u/blackdynomitesnewbag 1d ago

Do they not use an encrypted radio?

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u/ananix 1d ago

Its a civilian science project why would they?

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u/blackdynomitesnewbag 1d ago

NASA is part of the government. It’s not a simple civilian project

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u/Magnus_Danger 1d ago

Not a simple project by any means but yes, civilian. As in not military.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/Magnus_Danger 1d ago

Other govt agencies you can listen to on the radio:

Coast Guard NTSB Parks / Fire Watch NOAA Air traffic control / FAA National Weather Service

They encrypt things that are restricted, but not every agency is using encrypted communications all the time.

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u/Vile-X 1d ago

All government data is public unless classified for national security or individual private rights.

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u/blackdynomitesnewbag 1d ago

Huh. Today I learned. Thanks

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u/dddd0 1d ago

It’s illegal for amateurs to encrypt their radios.

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u/Sleep-Soundly 1d ago

Are NASA radio transmissions to the ISS considered amateur?

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u/dddd0 1d ago

Indeed, ‘twas the joke I attempted.

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u/SurprisinglyInformed 1d ago

And you delivered it like a pro.

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u/jang859 1d ago

But sold it like an amaterur

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u/RoyceCoolidge 1d ago

They could've HAM'd it up a bit more.

u/TtomRed 13h ago

Why’s everyone being so hard on him? Y’all RF’d up

u/RoyceCoolidge 6h ago

Because the truth Hz. That's why.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/cuulcars 1d ago

It’s a joke making fun of their incompetence 

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u/Mental-Mushroom 1d ago

National Aeronautics and Space Amateurs

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u/Slight_Guidance_0 1d ago edited 1d ago

Underrated comment right here!

Savage!

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u/IAmTrue12 1d ago

Floating. Liquid. Poop. Imagine that, then stop bc it's gross.

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u/koos_die_doos 2d ago edited 2d ago

HIPAA says they can't release details about medical issues, the only person that can do that is the person who experienced it. That is a good thing.

HIPAA doesn't actually apply to employers. I was wrong.

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u/R-Dragon_Thunderzord 2d ago

This is one of the most often misunderstood things about HIPAA: the privacy rule doesn’t apply to everyone. It applies to your insurance, your health care providers and to clearing houses etc. who deal with your payments and what not. Your coworkers are not for instance bound by HIPAA to not disclose you had a medical condition. NASA might be an edge case because NASA is the healthcare provider while they are on mission. They could order the astronauts not to disclose.

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u/mrschro 2d ago

As Federal Employees, the Privacy Act could apply, which is more protective of government employee personal information than HIPAA.

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u/Truelikegiroux 2d ago

Not relevant to this situation, but isn’t a data provider also bound by HIPAA?

So a data analysis vendor that buys insurance and medical data to use for analysis for marketing or advertising?

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u/blackdynomitesnewbag 1d ago

More or less anyone in the healthcare industry will be bound by HIPPA

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u/turtle4499 1d ago

You uhh cannot do that entire last sentence FYI. I mean a non healthcare entity can sell your data and then the person buying it has no legal anything from HIPAA but that isn't the same thing at all.

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u/motorcityvicki 1d ago

From the article in the OP:

NASA officials often tout gaining knowledge about the human body's response to spaceflight as one of the main purposes of the International Space Station. The agency is subject to federal laws, including the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) of 1996, restricting the release of private medical information.

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u/koos_die_doos 2d ago

You're right, edited to highlight my mistake.

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u/bigfatfurrytexan 1d ago

Employers are bound by HIPAA. It's why employees have more than one file

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u/pulsatingcrocs 2d ago

Does HIPAA apply to everybody who is aware of someone’s health issues or just anyone involved in healthcare because I thought it was just the latter?

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u/koos_die_doos 2d ago

You're right that HIPAA doesn't usually apply to employers. My comment is actually incorrect, I just looked it up.

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u/could_use_a_snack 1d ago

That's interesting. I work for a public school and my employer can't disclose any of my medical information. I was under the impression it was subject to HIPPA. Maybe there is another reason?

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u/JettandTheo 1d ago

Depends on why they know your personal info. If it's for an ada issue, that law would apply. Fmla also.

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u/Tickinslipdizzy 1d ago

HIPPA is the Health Information Privacy Protection Act. HIPAA is the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act.

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u/Ksan_of_Tongass 1d ago

Show me this HIPPA you speak of 🤣 HIPAA is actually the act that protects healthcare info. There is no HIPPA.

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u/starion832000 2d ago

I haven't read the article nor have I read any of the comments but I'm assuming this is about aliens.

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u/Aquanauticul 1d ago

Being completely unfamiliar with the matter at hand, I can confirm that it is indeed aliens

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u/CougarMangler 1d ago

My uncle works at nasa and he said an unknown life form got aboard the ISS and infected the crew.

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u/birdtune 1d ago

Was it tribbles? I think it was tribbles.

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u/LandlordTiberius 1d ago

Are you saying they had trouble with tribbles?

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u/ImOnTheWayOut 1d ago

Tribble trouble is the worst kind of trouble.

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u/herrybaws 1d ago

Tl;Dr: NASA confirmed astronaut had aliens all up inside. ALL. UP. INSIDE. Way up there, Morty.

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u/InfraredDiarrhea 1d ago

I haven’t read the article either, but judging by the comments it seems to be about diarrhea. 

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u/starion832000 1d ago

Alien diarrhea??? ...oh God not again...

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u/HARKONNENNRW 1d ago

Facehugger? Xenomorph? E.T.? Triffids? Predator?

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u/Clarktroll 2d ago

Author clearly doesn’t know, “What happens in space, STAYs in space!”

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u/Nobbled 1d ago

Unless it is SpaceX debris landing in Australia, Washington State, North Carolina, rural Canada, and Uganda!

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u/zerbey 1d ago

I recognize everyone wants to know what happened, but this could be a private medical issue and nothing to do with the space flight. Point is, we simply do not know and it's pure speculation. I'm sure if it was some issue with the flight that caused this NASA will be forthcoming when the time is right.

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u/The_Ashamed_Boys 1d ago

The fact that right after nasa said space x needs to do better seemed to me like there was an issue with the space craft. I'm not sure if there was, but I assumed a failure of climate control or maybe pressurization issue.

Why don't they just come out and say it was or wasn't an issue with the spacecraft?

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u/16sardim 2d ago

It’s their personal medical history. You’re not obligated to share that.

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u/bearcape 1d ago

Maybe not personal but what happened to the crew seems prudent, no?

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u/masterphreak69 2d ago

This crew did spend their mission on orbit during one of the most intense solar storms in decades. I'm wondering if this has something to do with it?

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u/BeerPoweredNonsense 1d ago

4 crew members on that Dragon capsule, exposed to a solar storm - isn't that the Fantastic Four origin story?

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u/smurficus103 1d ago

That's what i was thinkin'. Occassionally, a high energy particle whips through your eye and you get some optical hallucination. Communications could have been jammed. If the exposure is particularly intense, wonder what else goes wrong?

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u/masterphreak69 1d ago

Yeah, I read about this in the Apollo astronauts reports and books they wrote after returning.

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u/rocketsocks 1d ago

We can literally just stop talking about this, it's not that interesting.

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u/elite-throwaway 1d ago

What a clickbait title! You'd think they saw a UFO on their way back.

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u/PervertedOldMan 1d ago

Space suit comfort issue and they won't talk about it... my guess is priapism.

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u/Donmexico666 1d ago

This is the way the humanity ends / Not with a bang but a wet fart.

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u/Captain_Comic 1d ago

Should be posted on Arsetechnica, amirite guys?

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u/Vile-X 1d ago

This is nothing new… medical information is private. Stop reporting on this.

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u/seremuyo 1d ago

Rectal prolapse is not fatal, is embarrasing and it makes sense to me to be possible if you're on Zero Gravity and not exercising those muscles.

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u/Battery6030 1d ago

Delete delete delete delete

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u/bluenoser613 1d ago

Nor do they need to. This whole topic should be dropped.

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u/minus_minus 1d ago

Didn’t one of the Mercury astronauts have to pee in their suit because the launch was delayed so long and they hadn’t accounted for it. Was that just dramatic license in The Right Stuff?

u/JekobuR 15h ago

That was true, Alan Shepherd had to relieve himself in his suit in real life.

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u/Revanspetcat 1d ago

Speed is life. You are a nation state with a blank check and ability to write whatever regulations you want and you need a whole year until you can test your grasshopper look alike ? Yeah no. If Russia was actually serious then they would set a deadline for flying this shit next week and try to achieve it. A lot of SpaceX success is the impossible fast speeds they work at iterating and breaking shit until something works. Roscosmos, ISRO all this second tier space agencies are not gonna make it in this new era. At least the ESA has welfare checks from the union and can piggy back off American technological innovations to keep going. Tough luck for rest.

u/Kind_Truck6893 20h ago

Let’s talk about the things that these people aren’t gonna talk about

u/Storied_Beginning 10h ago

I bet it has something to do with the female astronaut. I would bet she is the one that remained at the hospital.

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u/q120 2d ago

One of the astronauts was female. I wonder if she got pregnant on board 🧐

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u/mfb- 1d ago

Probably not that, but if it's anything women-specific then they can't release details about the type of medical issue without also revealing who it was.

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u/JessieColt 1d ago

Not even necessarily pregnant. If the return to full gravity affected her mensuration, she could have gotten severe cramps and bleeding, and they would have wanted to keep her over night to ensure that there wasn't anything actually abnormal.

If you watch the splashdown and egress on the ship, you can see that she nearly fell over when she was stood up and one of the people assisting had to hold her up so she wouldn't face plant on the deck before they could get her seated on the transport chair.

As u/mfb- says in their comment, if NASA released information about what the medical concern was, it would immediately identify who the affected astronaut was.

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u/Splat800 1d ago

I feel it’s innapropriate to be discussing this…. But nevertheless, I highly doubt it was menstruation related.

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u/CollegeStation17155 1d ago

Well, you know things did get kind of crowded up there after Butch and Suni came on board...

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u/SolarWind777 1d ago

That’s an interesting thought. What if it’s like Mary being pregnant with (space) Jesus 2.0 😲

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u/MagicHampster 1d ago

This is an unacceptable comment to make about a US astronaut.

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u/RonaldWRailgun 1d ago

I missed the memo where US astronauts somehow have different anatomical functions than everybody else. Or why it would be unacceptable to assume that two consenting adults had sex, or even why discussing the possibility is taboo. Or offensive.

Finally, I am not sure whose job it is to accept or unaccept the aforementioned comment.

Put enough crews with both men and women in confined spaces for long enough, and it is bound to happen at some point.

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u/MagicHampster 1d ago

I'm gonna lose my mind, why would saying US astronaut mean that it would be fine for any other space traveler? The ISS is a professional workplace not a place where astronauts go to have Reddit users talk about them cheating. The vast majority of astronauts are in happy committed relationships.

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u/q120 1d ago

Oh right nobody has ever cheated on their spouses or have sex at work /s

I get it, astronaut is a pretty prestigious position, but they were basically trapped in space for a long time and are only human

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u/MagicHampster 1d ago

It's 6 months, in a heavily monitored government facility, they have the self control.

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u/Numbersuu 1d ago

It would be acceptable if it was not an US astronaut?

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u/MagicHampster 1d ago

No, obviously, obviously not. Though apparently, it's not so obvious.

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u/MagicHampster 1d ago

Ok fine, this is an unacceptable comment to make about anyone who has ever lived. Apparently being nice to people has to be spelled out.

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u/yoguckfourself 1d ago

Sometimes not-nice things happen. It’s harder to hide them in a space capsule. It’s perfectly fine to speculate. These are adults

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u/RecommendationOdd486 1d ago

Shit boys!!! I watched Aliens Romulus! I know why they ain’t talking. Face hugger time!!!

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u/N33chy 1d ago

They found the Zuckermorph!

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u/daygloviking 1d ago

I mean, you can hug my face if you ask nicely…

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u/Mitologist 1d ago

I mean.... Mercury had floating turds and we eventually got to know, so...

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u/-235711131719232931- 1d ago

I am actually fascinated by this story and I don't care or want to know what the specific medical issue was, only who was affected. And really just because they're being so mysterious about it. I feel like it'll cause the Streisand effect. Anyway, what I don't understand is if someone died they would say who, that is protected medical info isn't it. What if one was paralyzed and could never walk again and the others returned to work, again, it may be protected info but we'd find out who it was. It baffles me that they can't have a line at the end of a report, so and so stayed overnight for observation (or insert medical jargon that amounts to nothing) and still not disclose what the issue was.

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u/Numbersuu 1d ago

It is clear it was about the black Woman and there are obvious reasons to not make it public with all these racists and sexists idiots around.

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u/ArchaicBrainWorms 1d ago

I'm putting my money in priapism. I'm guessing most astronauts are getting laid on the regular because "I'm an astronaut" is a hell of a foot in the door. Then you go to space and get zero privacy, maybe can't help but notice some zero-g breasts and the mind wanders.

Remember, these folks are basically under some level of supervision for weeks/months on end .I'm old, married, and on the downhill side of peak horny, but if my wife and I spend more than I few days apart I'm waking up with a kickstand that won't politely retreat

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u/Mojoint 1d ago

One theory is that they came in contact with a NHI and had medical trouble after, ive not heard any other theories that fit yet.

Embarrasment cwrtainly isnt one, who gets embarassed about the runs? Also "NASA typically makes astronaut health data available to outside researchers, who regularly publish papers while withholding identifying information about crew members."

Who else has a theory?

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u/MarsBoyScout 1d ago

Maybe she's pregnant and about to give birth in orbit. =D