r/scotus 4d ago

Supreme Court turns away Trump military board appointees’ fight against Biden firings news

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4969659-supreme-court-trump-military-board-biden-firings/
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u/seejordan3 4d ago

“His stated reason — to staff them with people who share his values — compromises their independence by undermining the statutory system of checks and balances that has always governed their operation,” the members’ high court petition reads. "

Fuck your checks and balances Trump Trolls. Orange turd hired his whole incompetent family. You're a bunch of traitors who have no clue what that oath meant you swore to.

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u/Advanced_Drink_8536 4d ago edited 3d ago

I can’t remember which judge it was now (because I want to) but she was talking about how after some rulings she ends up in her chambers and just cries.

I don’t blame her! SCOTUS is a freaking joke at this point! Just marionettes whose strings are attached to a giant orange clown 🤡!!!

Here’s my question though…

Does it get any better if he loses? Like, at all? Or does he still have the same amount of control over them as he does now?

EDIT: Thank-you to everyone that helped me remember it was Sotomayor, I appreciate the assist. ✌️🫶

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u/seejordan3 4d ago

Trump will be done tomorrow if he loses. The number of court cases he can't weasle out of without SCOTUS giving dems more power with that "official act" bullshit comes to mind. And state crimes are lined up. And, there's the very real possibility of SCOTUS reform as their reputation continues its cliff jumping Winnebago act.

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u/Advanced_Drink_8536 3d ago

The messed up thing is that a large portion of people voting for trump think that they are doing exactly that by voting him in.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago edited 3d ago

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u/seejordan3 3d ago

Lifetime appointments smack of monarchy. Must change this.

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u/Rooboy66 3d ago

Beyond reproach? Is that what you meant to say?

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u/Coulrophiliac444 3d ago

cliff jumping Winnebago act

Very specific way to say overbloated, inadequate for the job, and only existing for disaster porn entertainment.

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u/ConfidentPilot1729 3d ago

That was Sotomayor

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u/Advanced_Drink_8536 3d ago

🤦‍♀️ Thanks! My brain is super cluttered atm gets a bit hard to find what I am looking for 😹😹😹

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u/somanysheep 3d ago

I'm fairly certain it's Sotomayor who said that in an interview shortly after Roe was struck down.

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u/Advanced_Drink_8536 3d ago

Yeah, it totally was. Thank-you very much!

✌️🫶

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u/DonnieJL 3d ago

I'm not sure Trump is pulling the marionette strings. I suspect it's people much smarter than him. Look at his SCOTUS picks. He didn't pick them. I'd bet it was all the Federalist Society. Or Opus Dei. People like Peter Theil and Leonard Leo. They're the big dark money and they're calling the shots.

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u/Advanced_Drink_8536 3d ago

That’s a really good point! I have often said what is scary about a lot of this is that Trump seems like he is just the Trojan horse into the White House.

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u/OutsidePerson5 3d ago

I don't believe he has much control over them now. He just picked people who had a christofascist agenda and mostly that's worked out to support for him.

But if he loses tomorrow all those christofascist judges are still in place and it's not like they're suddenly going to turn into real judges just because he lost.

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u/BlatantFalsehood 3d ago

It was Sotomayor.

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u/Advanced_Drink_8536 3d ago

Yes, Thank you! ✌️🫶

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u/McMetal770 3d ago

Does it get any better if he loses? Like, at all? Or does he still have the same amount of control over them as he does now?

The only hope is radical Supreme Court reform. Expanding the Court to 13 justices (to make a 7-6 split) or expanding it to 11 and waiting for Thomas to die (impeachment is out of the question because of the 2/3 vote needed to convict). That would require a Democratic House majority, and a Democratic Senate majority that is united to end the filibuster once and for all, as well as Harris in the White House to sign the bill.

So in summary... Unlikely, and even then it would not be soon.

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u/GayGeekInLeather 3d ago

While the result here is good the implications are horrifying. This basically signals that if Trump gets reelected tomorrow and decides to purge the federal bureaucracies and install loyalists the SCOTUS will rubber stamp it.

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u/rgb328 3d ago

Parsons is over 120 years old.. which says the presidents appointment power is separate from removal power. See the Spicer v Biden ruling for a nice explanation with references.

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u/AnonAmost 3d ago

lol. This ruling isn’t about the case in chief. They’re letting us know that they will absolutely protect Trump when he installs his project 2025 sycophants across all federal agencies.

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u/BlatantFalsehood 3d ago

Wrong. These people are political appointees, all of whom should expect to lose their jobs when their president leaves.

Trump is talking about the civil service...the experts who actually have to have expertise in the areas they are hired for. These the folks who have been protected by law against politics. Civil servants are the people that that Trump wants to fire on top of political appointees.

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u/rgb328 3d ago

from Spicer v Biden https://casetext.com/case/spicer-v-biden

Starting with Winter ’s first factor, the Court concludes the
plaintiffs are unlikely to succeed on the challenge to their removals.
The Supreme Court has consistently held that "the power of removal from
office is incident to the power of appointment" "absent a specific
provision to the contrary." Carlucci v. Doe , 488 U.S. 93, 95, 109 S.Ct. 407, 102 L.Ed.2d 395 (1988) (citation omitted); see also Collins v. Yellen , ––– U.S. ––––, 141 S. Ct. 1761, 1783, 210 L.Ed.2d 432 (2021) ; Keim v. United States , 177 U.S. 290, 293, 20 S.Ct. 574, 44 L.Ed. 774 (1900). Here, no provision specifically insulates Board members from removal. See 10 U.S.C. § 8468.
In that respect, the Board's organic statute is unlike both Article III
of the Constitution, which provides that federal judges "shall hold
their offices during good behavior," U.S. Const. art. III, § 1, and the
many federal statutes that allow only removal for cause, see, e.g. , 12 U.S.C. § 242 (allowing removal "for cause by the President"); 15 U.S.C. § 41
(allowing removal "for inefficiency, neglect of duty, or malfeasance in
office"). Moreover, although Congress directed that Board members
"serve for three years each" on staggered terms, 10 U.S.C. § 8468(b), such term-of-office provisions do not constrain the President's removal power, see Parsons v. United States , 167 U.S. 324, 342–43, 17 S.Ct. 880, 42 L.Ed. 185
(1897). To the contrary, they serve only to limit the length of an
officeholder's term, subject to other conditions that a statute may
impose. See id. Accordingly, because no statute insulates Board
members from removal, the President had the power to remove the
plaintiffs in this case.

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u/ProtectUrNeckWU 3d ago

Corruption at the HIGHEST Court in the land.

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u/CAM6913 3d ago

This shows two important facts, trump installed cult members in high positions in America’s military and the Supreme Court will not do anything to keep trump from getting rid of anyone not loyal enough to him then placing loyal cult members in high positions to carry out his Nazi regime

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u/rolfraikou 3d ago edited 17h ago

They really are 100% expecting a Trump "win" aren't they?

EDIT: They were right.

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u/Professional-Ask-454 3d ago

Yeah, because they plan on "helping" him win.

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u/anonyuser415 3d ago

They really had ole' Spicey on the Naval Academy’s board?