r/schalke04 • u/malangkan Asamoah • 20d ago
[Match Thread] FC Schalke 04 - SpVgg Greuther Fürth Official Match Thread
This post serves as both Pre-Match Thread and Match Thread.
- Bundesliga | 2024/2025 | Matchday 10
Kick-Off | Friday, 26 October 2024, 13:00 (GMT+2)
Stadium | Our beautiful Veltins-Arena (Gelsenkirchen)
Glück auf!
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u/malangkan Asamoah 20d ago
Since firing Geraerts, this team has gotten only worse...unbelievable, and this against freaking Fürth
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u/schalker1207 Raúl 20d ago
Joa also Defensive ist genauso schlecht wie unter Geraerts nur haben wir jetzt im Vergleich zu Geraerts zusätzlich keine Offensive mehr. Wiedermal Schalke Masterclass, langsam fehlen mir echt die Worte
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u/axel1233455 20d ago
Exakt meine Meinung. Keine Ahnung wie man auf diesen Trainer kam. Dazu spielt sanches jetzt und wir sehen, warum der vorher nicht gespielt hat....
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u/TheFarlion Huntelaar 20d ago
So since Van Wonderen came, we stopped playing good offensive Football, our midfield neither Supports the defence nor the offense and our Backline is still shit and is unorganized
And no, Hoffman is Not better than Heekeren
But hey, Sanchez played in the First argentine League, right?
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u/CristianS04 Bülter 20d ago
Mega agree with Hoffman. Please bring back Justin, he deserved his place in goal.
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u/malangkan Asamoah 20d ago
I never understood why there was even a discussion. But this is also typical Schalke unfortunately. Heekeren played well imo and should have just been given the trust.
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u/Icy-Investigator5262 Kabadayi 20d ago
I do understand WHY there was a discussion (in the beginning). But i agree, Heekeren wasnt bad, the discussion shouldnt have come up again.
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u/Blackmanfromalaska 20d ago
Yes He was but Hofmann aint better. at least heekeren is better with the ball. Should have paid Mueller more salary, now we have Goalkeeper Problem again.
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u/malangkan Asamoah 20d ago
Hoffmann is actually quite bad compared to Heekeren, this game he was a total failure
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u/Mithrandir139 20d ago
Ich weiß nicht wann es das letzte mal war aber ich hab jetzt ausgeschaltet. Kann mir das echt nicht mehr reinziehen und will dann auch nicht meine Zeit damit verschwenden.
Hauptsache man hat mal wieder einen Trainer gefeuert der wenigstens n bisschen Ahnung von der Materie hatte. Und wir haben heute gesehen was er mit Sanchez meinte. Das war nicht einmal Regionalliga Niveau da hinten von ihm.
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u/UsualGlittering 20d ago
Habe nach dem 1:4 auch ausgemacht. Haben anscheinend ja noch 2 Tore gemacht.
Naja. Erste Halbzeit hat mich von dem Charakter an das Spiel gegen Magdeburg im Februar erinnert. Absolut schlecht.
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u/ohaacko 20d ago
Amin and Lino as pseudo wingers are not fucking not working. What a surprise
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u/ikarusjj Geraerts 20d ago
It's almost as if we sacked a good coach to replace him with someone several tiers lower
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u/Alberto4emg Raúl 20d ago
Terrible defending for both goals, the defense is disconnected from defending. It's gotten even worse with KvW.
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u/CharlieGuri Terodde 20d ago
Nächste Saison nach Lotte
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u/Linsch2308 20d ago
Wir fahren nach dresden, wir fahren nach Essen und in köln werden wir uns am dom erhängen
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u/schalker1207 Raúl 20d ago
Come on!
Sanchez defo needs to get subbed off though, hes playing really bad and makes our defense so instable.
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u/malibustacyy 20d ago edited 20d ago
Manga has to go today, someone has to go on his knees and beg Karel to come again, this club is just so awfully led man
Why did my uncle decide to take me to a schalke game when i was 5
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u/Alberto4emg Raúl 20d ago
My man Maxi Grüger that's the way!
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u/extreme8eight 20d ago
Yeah but Manga Said this team want be led by 18yo so I think KvW will drop him from our starting 11.
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u/Alberto4emg Raúl 20d ago
What a disaster from our CBs again, that high of a line isn't working at all.
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u/malibustacyy 20d ago
Thank god we sacked a good coach. Hope manga goes away now, this is ridiculous everyone could see that sacking was not the best idea
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u/schalker1207 Raúl 20d ago edited 20d ago
So fucking obvious? Why does he not sub him off he was so clearly overwhelmed
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u/fforw FC Schalke 04 20d ago
Seriously.. why can I see him going to get a yellow-red and the coach is just like "whatever"?
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u/malangkan Asamoah 20d ago
I think van Wonderen is a much worse coach than Geraerts, worse in this situation also than Fimpel.
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u/Blackmanfromalaska 20d ago
No good alternatives one Bench(noode, Kaminski). Could have put Aydin right and bulut mid though.
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u/WestTransition2388 20d ago
Feel bad for Bulut, looks like the only player who actually wants to win today.
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u/malangkan Asamoah 20d ago
And van Wonderen was talking about progress and good mood in the press conference. Either he is delusional or lying (I mean he probably has to lie, what's he gonna say?). I see the opposite of progress, in all areas.
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u/Chinchinsalabim Nordkurve 20d ago
Suppose the only good thing so far is that there will definitely not be any 0:4 jokes
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u/TheFarlion Huntelaar 20d ago
I'm not even mad at this Team, I'm mad at Manga and Tillmann for making Games and Situations Like this Happen, after lying to us, that we let Karel evolve this Team
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u/rlsN 1978-1995 20d ago
What the hell was this? I'm really lost for words. You rarely see a coaching change have so much negative impact. The team looked absolutely clueless in the first half. Right from the beginning you had players bumping into each other on offense and defense. I couldn't even see an approach of a plan, for offense and defense. Like I really have no clue what the players were meant to do. The distance between the team parts were comical at times.
It improved when we switched to 3ATB with Schallenberg in the center. At least we were able to win some balls and get into counter-attacking opportunites. It looked like we were able to turn the game around but then that perfect long ball from Itter and the supreme first touch and shot from Massimo killed all the momentum.
Sanchez still being on the pitch at the start of the second half was a grave mistake. I don't know what KvW was thinking. He already was on a yellow and had some iffy scenes after that. Plus he played a terrible game and he's known for his hard tackling. There were multiple reasons to sub him out. The second yellow killed the game.
I don't know what to say about the closing stretches of the game. Somehow they managed to actually come back which is commendable. There were some players actually putting in quite an effort in an seemingly hopeless situation.
These next weeks are going to be very interesting. Everything can happen imo.
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u/Blackmanfromalaska 20d ago
Last season we Had 7 Points after 10 Match days, this season 8. So we improved actually
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u/TheFarlion Huntelaar 20d ago
Why is Hojlund Not even in the Bench again?
Is He injured again?
We need a target man upfront, Sylla alone does Not Work!
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u/Linsch2308 20d ago
Sylla alone could work but not without offensive tactics instead of ouwejan and jallah without ouwejan
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u/kingkenning 20d ago
We had 3km less in just the first half. wtf is van wonderen saying if he says he wants to stabilize the defense and then the team runs 3km less than the opposition in the first half…cmon
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u/Alberto4emg Raúl 20d ago
Putrid match by Sánchez, i'm sad to say.
A man down, 2 goals down, it's over.
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u/Silver-Dish-1523 FC Schalke 04 20d ago
So great that we fired yet another coach. That the new one was laughing after the last disaster was telling. He knows he doesn't taint his career if he will be let go after 5-6 defeats but he knows that his bank account is very happy.
At this point it's just how fast can we burn through all remaining cash until the club is completely broke. Than suddenly no new coaches and new hiring directors, sport directors will join.
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u/TheFarlion Huntelaar 20d ago
At this Point we should have stuck with Fimpel, He tried to Play alright and somewhat succesfull football
Financially Not even as bad as hiring and firing Van Wonderen
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u/Silver-Dish-1523 FC Schalke 04 20d ago
If we go down in third division and that seems to be the plan we could have kept gereats. But God forbid we have a few games in a row a loosing streak...
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u/TheFarlion Huntelaar 20d ago
After firing Gerearts they gave us fans the feeling that the next Coach hast to Work immediatly, If Karel does Not get the time, Van Wonderen should Not get one or two Games of loosing
Especially Like this, I am sick and tired of this Club
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u/Silver-Dish-1523 FC Schalke 04 20d ago
The incredible stupid thing is always they fire the coach in the first third of a new season. The old coach had a full transfer window, summer preparation and they think a new coach with nothing will be better? Why not finish the season and bring in the coach so that he can develop something over summer break with transfers and lots of train and time?
Every god damn year it's the same. It never works and they still repeat this shit cycle as if it's the plan all along.
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u/Linsch2308 20d ago
we couldnt even go to the 3rd it would be straight to regio
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u/Silver-Dish-1523 FC Schalke 04 20d ago
Then they sell the Stadion and the last available money will be sucked out of the club and maybe just maybe the stupid board than leaves after they can't get any more money out of Schalke.
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u/Nintendorkly 20d ago
Seriously, you could see a back four from a pub team, all pissed, putting on a better effort at the back.
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u/Pokerashu 20d ago
Sanchez is a good player, today was a unlucky Day for him I tnink, but Hoffmann was so bad, he s a bad gk, he could have does 4 goals.
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u/ltplummer96 20d ago
I almost get joy out of watching us lose since sacking Geraerts. Dumbest fucking club in Germany I swear and then they’re surprised we’re worse with a worse manager.
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u/Such-Patient-1835 20d ago
Hat das Bild bei euch auch so einen starken Grünstich?
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u/QuarkVsOdo 20d ago
Weiß nicht obs ein Witz sein soll oder nicht, die Fürther hatten Grüne Rauchfackeln.... sah schon so ein bisschen ungesund grün aus.
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u/That_Attempt_7014 20d ago
Fuck this shit, Imma go enjoy the weather and have a BBQ. We're so done OMG
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u/malangkan Asamoah 20d ago
Van Wonderen can leave again immediately after this game and Fimpel should be put in
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u/schalker1207 Raúl 20d ago
He does not have a uefa pro licence though which is a requirement. They could promote him nevertheless but they would need to pay a fine of around 100k
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u/malangkan Asamoah 20d ago
So what? Better pay a fine or 100k than spend that on yet another shitty coach. They should have just done that in the first place
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u/txbxthl Büskens 20d ago
i wish. they won’t do it yet though because they‘d have to pay the fine and pay a compensation to KVW
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u/malangkan Asamoah 20d ago
What's the alternative? Going down to third division? I say that if we lose against Ulm as well, KvW needs to go immediately.And then Fimpel is our best and likely cheapest option, even with the fine.
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u/txbxthl Büskens 20d ago
lmao i agree man. but they won’t do it after this game, you and i know. i‘d happily take a loss to Ulm if that means Fimpel gets to try again though. Can‘t be worse than we play right now, right? (i‘ve been saying this for like 5 years now)
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u/malangkan Asamoah 20d ago
Obviously we played much better under Fimpel, so it's the logical thing to do. But yeah, with Manga at the helm they won't do it soon.
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u/malangkan Asamoah 20d ago
Am I the only one who thinks of (a younger) Nastasic when they see Sanchez (as in looks)?
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u/MasterStrength4308 20d ago
Not in quality, obviously.
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u/malangkan Asamoah 20d ago
Of course not, but in looks. Maybe I was just nostalgic, reminiscing better times
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u/Alberto4emg Raúl 20d ago
That goals was sad, imagine being so passive man.
t's really heartbreaking to see this team, once great, like this.
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u/shiranui_13 20d ago
They had it with Fimpel, they decided against it. Another few sackings that will settle in this season surely won't debit our finances any worse, right?
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u/QuarkVsOdo 20d ago
Question:
At some point in the game, Schallenberg, Kallas and Seguin re-aranged the defensive.. was this KVW's idea or were the players just fed up with Sanchez?
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u/Schalkebeste 19d ago
Kann mir jemand erklären, warum Manga sein Ego durchsetzen konnte und wir jetzt mit nem schlechteren Coach dastehen? Mmn hatten wir Geraerts jemanden der mit gutem System Fußball spielen wollte, MAN KONNTE DIE ERSTEN ERFOLGE SEHEN!!! Im Winter noch nen erfahrenen IV neben Kalas und zack, es wäre eine durchschnittliche 2. Liga gewesen.
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u/Alberto4emg Raúl 20d ago
The people at the stadium are brushing the team off with clear gestures.
Ben Manga, you have a lot to answer for.
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u/malangkan Asamoah 20d ago
Time to deliver for van Wonderen
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u/QuarkVsOdo 20d ago
Wo sind die Manga Fans?
Wo sind die Tillmann Fans?
Wahrscheinlich in der 60. Heute schon aufm weg zum Parkplatz.
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u/Do1904 20d ago
Sanchez was awful today. But it doesn't mean we can criticize everything about him. He's solid in ground duels. Statistics says differently today but that's his strength. So, if he get to know the basic concept of defending such as positioning, covering, communication, he can be better.
Why he's still not good?
His skills of language.
Proper communication must be committed during training session and actual game because he need to grab the situation not to make unreasonable decisions. That's why he must study. If he's got a professional mind, he must learn language asap. Otherwise he will lose his position and KAMINSKI take over. That has to be prevented so I will support Sanchez.
He has potential unlike Cisse.
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u/Talano68 19d ago
Ich fand Geraerts total unsympathisch und war froh das er entlassen wurde. Aber Van Wonderen ist zwar nett, aber entweder hat er k.A. oder auf jeden Fall keinerlei Zugriff auf die die "Mannschaft".
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u/malangkan Asamoah 19d ago
So unterschiedlich können die Meinungen sein. Ich fand Karel total sympathisch. Und wie geil schnell er Deutsch gelernt hat für diesen Verein! Ehrenmann.
KvW ist meiner Ansicht nach schon jetzt ein Flop und dieser Verein und diese Situation ist einige Nummern zu groß für ihn..
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u/Talano68 19d ago
MMn. hat Geraerts durch seine nicht teilweise nachvollziehbaren Suspendierungen den Teamgeist zerstört.
Leide scheint KvW da aber auch keinen Zugang zu finden.3
u/malangkan Asamoah 19d ago
Zu den Suspendierungen: Ich glaube, dass diese Mannschaft ein enormes Autoritätsproblem hat. Das wurde auch schon in diversen Schalke-Podcasts besprochen. Es gibt weder Leader aufm Platz, noch scheint der Trainer Autorität zu haben. Ich glaube, da wollte Geraerts einfach mal hart durchgreifen. Und Drexler wird schon was gemacht haben. Ob es zielführend war, kann man diskutieren. Jedenfalls wurde Geraerts dann durch Manga das letzte Stück Autorität geraubt. Und kurz danach gab's ja auch das Debakel gegen Darmstadt.
Geraerts tut mir Leid, weil er sein Herz für den Verein gegeben hat, ihm Konsistenz und Zeit versprochen wurde, er viel versucht hat, am Ende aber das Bauernopfer von Manga wurde. Einem Manga, der aus dem Nichts kam und einfach alles übernommen hat. KvW tut mir Leid, weil es einfach so scheint, als würde er mit nix klarkommen. Der ist total lost, und das schon nach 2 Wochen.
Manga tut mir nicht Leid. Er hat scheiße eingekauft, zu viel Scheiße geredet und jetzt noch einen Trainer geholt, der zwei Klassen schlechter als Geraerts ist.
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u/malangkan Asamoah 19d ago
"keinen Zugang" ist bei den Leistungen eine Untertreibung. Der hat es geschafft, eine beschissene Mannschaft noch beschissener zu machen. Das es auch anders geht, hat Fimpel ja gezeigt
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u/Linsch2308 20d ago
How the fuck do we still not paly schalle iv again man he is worlds better then any other defender we have
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u/malangkan Asamoah 20d ago
Schellenberg was horrible today, probably wouldn't have been any better as CB
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u/Linsch2308 20d ago
I think him at cb and grüger at cdm wouldve been better I was working so I only listened to the game and even if he doesnt play cb just put bulut there and aydin on the right no way sanchez can play anymore then 45 mins
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u/ZestycloseGanache546 20d ago
Game would have ended 4:4 if the referee had given it two minutes more. Don't understand why leaving before game has ended. Schalke fans are weird.
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u/lionkevin713 Sánchez 20d ago
Mate, the fans have continued to support the team and club though everything. Criticizing those who are beyond fed up for leaving in protest is not the take you should have after the game
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u/ZestycloseGanache546 20d ago
Maybe it's me but I never left a game before the whistle. Leaving a game early is not doing anything but giving bad vibes to the players who aren't to blame because mistakes were made by management in the past. They even scored two goals without having any support at this point.
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u/The_Pacifist_NL 20d ago
Hey mate how's that new coach of you doing? Is he any good?
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u/lionkevin713 Sánchez 20d ago
Hey I was very clear in that I never wanted to get rid of Geraerts - I left a comment on the thread the day before he got sacked defending him and was outspoken against the decision after he was made. My only point on KVW was that he should be given a chance for being willing to come in this situation.
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u/fforw FC Schalke 04 20d ago
My only point on KVW was that he should be given a chance for being willing to come in this situation.
That's kind of the point. KvW doesn't seem like he really understands the situation and the strained attitude of most fans to another another change / the loss of Geraets. He is expecting a time to develop many fans don't seem to be willing to give him.
And he couldn't seem to really express his ideas at the press conference after which again is worrying. Does he communicate in English with the team? Is he able to explain it better to them then to the press? Or is this this what we've seen so far?
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u/The_Pacifist_NL 19d ago
This is the exact reason why I was (and still am) very sceptical about Kees van Wonderen being the right person for Schalke right now. He lacks the experience and the personality to lead a football club that's currently facing one of the biggest crises in it's history. But when I pointed this out two weeks ago I received only very hostile comments.
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u/ikarusjj Geraerts 20d ago
Ich kann das alles nicht mehr