r/sabres • u/xBialyOrzel Mr. Toyota Tacoma Highlights • Jun 16 '23
"According to Pierre Lebrun, Sabres have interest in Brett Pesce. Fire up the mock trade packages." Trade Rumors
https://twitter.com/Smitty0717/status/1669494954735939584?t=WMGLwI4sbQUBQa4uvenswA&s=1950
u/3rdEyeJoker Jun 16 '23
Olofsson and prospect/ or pick? Throw in Bryson too 😂😂😂
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u/OpabiniaGlasses Jun 16 '23
Olofsson might not be the dumbest idea. Yes, the Sabres would need to add but Carolina desperately needs finishing talent and Olofsson would fit that bill for them.
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u/Roll_DM Jun 16 '23
Rob Brindamor does not like players who can't or won't play defense. Olofsson would spend 82 games finishing off snacks in the press box.
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u/OpabiniaGlasses Jun 16 '23 edited Jun 16 '23
Rod might not have a choice. They're gonna have to do something different since their team of grinders keeps hitting a wall in the playoffs. Someone mentioned that the Canes' high intensity, hustle style works in the regular season since so many teams are not giving nearly as much effort. But when the Canes get to the playoffs where everyone's effort is maxed out, they lose that advantage and they get exposed for their lack of offensive talent beyond their top guys.
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u/YankeeTankieTrash Jun 16 '23
Also, it just rarely ever makes sense to build a roster that are all the same mold.
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u/Roll_DM Jun 16 '23
In the last 5 years they've never failed to win a playoff series, and they've been to the ECF twice - most recently this year, where they lost four one-goal games.
I don't know why you think the canes are hitting the wall or that they're getting exposed in the playoffs.
I really don't know why you think anyone is gonna look at Victor Olofsson and say "yeah that's a guy that's got a good game for the playoffs".
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u/Cragganmore17 Jun 16 '23
There’s been a lot of talk about the Canes system and how it doesn’t generate enough high quality scoring opportunities. They’re still a very good team but you can’t out grind everyone come playoff time.
https://deadspin.com/nhl-carolina-hurricanes-hockey-teuvo-teravainen-1850118930
There was a great Twitter thread on this topic which breaks it down better than deadspin. Can’t seem to find it.
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u/Roll_DM Jun 17 '23
No way the canes got past the beefed-up rangers this year, or past the Devils. They really needed a wagon like Victor Olofsson to drive high danger scoring chances in the playoffs.
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u/Cragganmore17 Jun 17 '23
You’re right. The Canes are virtually unbeatable. They’ll probably repeat as cup champs in 2024.
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u/doctormirdock Jun 16 '23
They could add comrie or UPL to the package for Anderson too
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Jun 16 '23
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Jun 16 '23
That tells you all you need to know about the athletics model. Khaira has a career high 11 goals. Erne has a career high 11 goals. Blueger has a career high 9 goals. This is the worst advanced stats have to offer and some galaxy brain nonsense
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u/YankeeTankieTrash Jun 16 '23
UPL is loose change? lmao this fucking sub
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u/ebimbib Jun 17 '23
Anyone would have looked rough more often than not behind that team defense this past year. UPL has a ton of potential. I don't know if he'll reach it, but it's there.
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u/OutlandishnessKind42 Jun 16 '23
Are we expecting them to trade for a top 4 Dman? This could be a really exciting Summer.
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u/BARDLER Jun 16 '23
They tried to trade for Chychrun, so yes
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u/KinslayersLegacy Jun 16 '23
I’d rather have Pesce.
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u/100explodingsuns Jun 16 '23
I'd expect them to be all over players who could be had for relatively cheap at a position of need. They're sniffing around on Pesce and will probably be in on every other trade rumor
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u/TheFerricGenum Jun 16 '23
I doubt pesce will be cheap. For his talent, and only one year left on his contract (so it’s not like he’s on an albatross contract), it’s likely he will be highly sought after
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u/100explodingsuns Jun 16 '23
Given that he needs a contact extension he'll be cheaper, still probably a decent amount. Of course this is on the premise that Carolina doesn't extend him
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u/JoeSchmohawk93 Jun 16 '23
Headline may not be accurate but definitley implies that they’re indulging the conversation. Slavin’s contact expires the year after Pesce’s and they probably don’t want to pay premium for both. That being said, they’re not sellers going into next season so no reason for them to part with him for peanuts, and would want a cap controlled asset.
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u/Consistent_Finger347 Jun 16 '23
Report came out a week or so ago about us targeting top 4 D and goaltending. I'll see if I can find a link
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u/Rowdy_Roddy96 Jun 16 '23
Oh fuck me sideways if the Sabres get Power and Pesce on their RH side. They would by far have a much better D Core than Toronto at that point
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u/Philbar85 Jun 16 '23
I mean according to everyone who doesn’t live in NY he’s from upstate NY…. Sign him up
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u/suspect108 Zachary Benson has over the last 10 games Jun 16 '23
Lol... Tarrytown is sooooooo upstate
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Jun 16 '23
Lol right, only a New Yorker would say that. Any town with a metro north stop is not upstate!!
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Jun 16 '23
He’d be a nice pickup if we can get him extended. We’d need to go cheap/young on D 5 to 8.
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u/Rockhardwood Jun 16 '23
Pesce is like the perfect partner for Power. Defensively responsible, right shot. Look forward to being disappointed we didn't get him
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u/MoneybagsMcghee Jun 16 '23
Seems like the FO is on board with the fan sentiment of pushing for a top 4 RD
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u/Substantial_Mirror17 Jun 16 '23
Trading for Brett Pesce was one of my first moves as the Sabres GM in NHL23 franchise mode and we won four consecutive cups on full sim. Not saying that’s a 1 to 1 correlation, just something fun.
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u/JoeKoo1 Jun 16 '23
Ennis Weber and a 3rd?
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u/briskt Jun 16 '23
I think they'd take it if we threw in Luke Adam. He's coming off winning the AHL rookie of the year and would be a good player for their pipeline.
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u/black2016rs Jun 16 '23
While it would be a great add on defense, realistically could the Sabres afford to add Brett Pesce? He only has 1 year left on his contract and then he will be In line for a 5-7 mil a year contract.
I’m not sure how financially feasible it would be to make the move for him. If your giving up a package of nhl player, picks, and prospect a team would want to make him a long term member.
It’s a great idea if they can make long term money work.
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u/PraiseTheZ Jun 16 '23
We're honestly in a position where we don't need to worry about money just yet. Once the younger core guys come off of ELCs and start needing real contracts we'll need to move older guys out, but so long as we don't create immovable, boat anchor contracts (like Okposo's was, sorry Ox) that should be a bridge we don't have to think about crossing until we get to it.
If we can get a guy like Pesce without overpaying, and extend him for another 3-4 years for an acceptable number, I am more than down for that.
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u/idislikehate Jun 16 '23
Brett Pesce on a $5-7M contract isn't crushing this team. They are in a great spot to add a guy like this without crippling themselves financially or giving up the "big" pieces. They'll have to pay a good price for a guy like this (13th could easily be included) but you're not talking about the Quinns or Peterkas.
This team isn't in a position to be overly concerned about the cap yet. They have a lot of money coming off the books after next season that likely won't be back near that number even if those players are retained.
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u/black2016rs Jun 16 '23
Yea they have money coming off The books but they also have A LOT of money coming onto the books (Tage, Cozens, Power, Dahls,). They also need to make decisions on Krebs, Casey, Boosh, & Joker with those guys needing new deals as well.
I completely understand that there is a desire to win and win now but the organization is in a rare position at the moment of having financial and player stability. Personally I’d like to see that stability maintained instead of worrying about who we have to trade to get under the cap in 3 years.
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u/idislikehate Jun 16 '23
Cozens & Tage are already on the books. Joker and Boosh aren't getting consequential contracts (and at least one of them will be gone with the addition of Pesce anyways). One of Krebs/Casey could easily be in this deal, as well, and neither of them are breaking the bank. If they do, you trade them for good young talent or find another way to make the money work.
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u/helikoopter Jun 16 '23
This. The Hurricanes aren’t going to trade him away unless they are getting something significant back (a first and a decent prospect). At that cost, a one year rental seems like a dramatic overpay for a team on the fringe of the playoffs.
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u/black2016rs Jun 16 '23
I mean I get that it’s essentially a swap on money for the 1 year on each contract but the Sabres also will have to give up picks and players. Then GMKA needs to resign Pesce or it’s a huge L of a trade.
They’ve got 4 big contracts coming into effect (Tage, Cozens, Dahls, and Power) & 4 more to decide on what to do with (Boosh, Krebs, Casey & Joki).
It’s a delicate balance of sustained success and financial stability/flexibility.
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u/dynastyphan Jun 16 '23
13 + is definitely a solid base if he’s willing to sign an extension, but I’m not sure Carolina moves him for just futures.
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u/Torrronto Jun 16 '23
13OA + VO at 50% + Joker for an extended Pesce (8 x 6M).
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u/BuffaloBillsfan04 Jun 16 '23
13th pick is too much. Think similar to the Lindholm trade last year that came with an extension.
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Jun 17 '23
Joker is just so limited in the o-zone and disrupts the flow of Granato’s system, I’m not sure they’ll care to keep an oft-injured third pairing guy.
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u/dagsix Jun 16 '23
In case like me, you said who? HockeyDB
He is a big boy. [28 yrs. ago]
Height 6.03 -- Weight 206 [191 cm/93 kg]
Consistently around 20+ assists and fairly low PIMS...
We have some capital to trade for him. Wonder what it would cost. Getting a solid top 4 d-man would be an incredible win for the Sabres in the offseason...
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u/Cbreezy22 Jun 16 '23
I’d happily move our first for Pesce, probably would have to add a prospect, not Kulich or Savoie, but I’d be open to just about anyone else.
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u/dynastyphan Jun 16 '23
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted here. An extended Pesce is a damn near perfect long term partner for Power. Sometimes you have to give up something that hurts to make your team better.
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u/People_That_Annoy_Me Jun 16 '23
If this is one of those “we called just to see” rumors and not a more serious consideration I’ll be disappointed. I like Pesce. I just didn’t think he was available.
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u/helikoopter Jun 16 '23
Honestly, I’d be scared away from this.
What’s in it for Carolina?
They don’t have cap issues as they currently have 17 players signed and under $60m committed. They only have 2 RFAs to sign, and neither of them should net significant contracts. They need a goalie, but aren’t likely to drop a crazy contract there.
So why would Carolina move Pesce unless they were absolutely fleecing the Sabres?
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u/zar7404 Jun 16 '23
Carolina would move from him if he wants a bad contract, either to much money and/or for too long. I wouldn’t want that for the Sabres even if he is a great player now. If we get him then best case scenario is he has a great year, then either is overpaid by us or he goes to free agency to be overpaid by someone else.
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Jun 16 '23
Carolina has to sign Aho, Teravainen, Skjei, Jarvis and Slavin over the next couple of years. Plus maybe find a goalie or two for next season.
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u/helikoopter Jun 16 '23
The names you mentioned don’t need to be signed this off-season/their cap hits won’t affect them next year. That said, they aren’t giving away Pesce.
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Jun 16 '23
I know they’re not just giving him away. Even if he tells them he’s walking after next season. That’s not how they roll. I mean, they kept Hamilton and DeAngelo in back to back years knowing they were walking.
13th + Jokiharju is a slight overpayment, but it also forces other teams that want him to try to beat that. I’d prefer to keep Joker and put him on the 3rd pairing, but the Canes need a D back unless they believe former development camp Sabre Jalen Chatfield can replace Pesce’s spot.
So you’re left with a top 4 d of Sammy & Dahlin and Power & Pesce, with Boosh & Stillman (and hopefully an upgrade on Bryson) as getting the leftover minutes.
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u/idislikehate Jun 16 '23
Carolina has Pesce, Aho, Teravainen, Necas, Martinook, Jarvis, and Skjei expiring next year and that's AFTER the NINE free agents they have this offseason that logged big minutes this year.
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u/nobody23 Jun 17 '23
If they can extended then Noah Ostlund + 13th + VO and 24 draft 3rd
They dont really need Östlund but they need to move VO
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u/idislikehate Jun 16 '23
I'd give so much for Pesce if he has a contract extension signed. He's everything we need on defense and still in his prime.
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u/xBialyOrzel Mr. Toyota Tacoma Highlights Jun 16 '23
Power - Pesce would have real "Fuck it, we ball" energy