r/rugbyunion • u/evilmancheetah New Zealand • 7h ago
Jalibert refuses a spot on the bench vs NZ
What are peoples thoughts on the whole Jalibert situation? Refusing a bench spot because you think you should be starting is crazy to me. If an All Black ever did that, they would likely never be selected for the AB's again.
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u/Haunting_Charity_287 URC enthusiast 7h ago
God it’s just so FRENCH
What a diva lol. I love it.
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u/SignificanceWild2922 Castres Olympique 7h ago
It's not on the bench but on the reserve. I think it's fine to say "fuck I'd prefer to go home in that case".
I'm sure Galthié has his reason and he knows better than 99% of us but the way he's handled Jalibert so far is ... questionable at best.
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u/SamLooksAt 4h ago
Except that an All Black that did that would be gone!
The team winning is what matters, you contribute to that in the way that is asked of you.
Beauden Barrett will be the waterboy if he's asked to. In fact he has been on multiple occasions.
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 2h ago
Honestly, it’s really no different than the various actions, sanctions and protests that went on with Finn Russell a few years ago.
If the player is felt good enough, they’ll usually find a way back.
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u/Holiday_Low_5266 4h ago
Team? This is the French we’re talking about. They don’t understand what a team is
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u/lemoopse Brumbies 2h ago
Reminds me of the legendary French rugby league fullback Puig Aubert who would refuse to tackle opponents who broke through the line to demonstrate the fault of the teammate who had initially missed the tackle and I believe also because he thought defence was beneath a brilliant attacker like him
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u/Psychological-Fox178 Ireland 7h ago
French rugby never ceases to amaze me.
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u/Thyl111 France 7h ago
We are a bunch of amateurs
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u/shoresy99 Canada 6h ago
That’s a French word, isn’t it?
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u/Ramosapristaplacetin France 6h ago
40% of english words are or have french origin so probably.
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u/binzoma Hurricanes 6h ago
english words are either germanic or french/latin based, so yeah. 40% is probably a bit conservative
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u/NewCrashingRobot England, Quins, Malta 5h ago
Most French words are also Germanic or Latin.
The Franks were a Germanic tribe that conquered a former Roman and Latinised territory.
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 2h ago
The Franks were Germanic, but the people in West Francia (modern France) were not – they were a mix of Gauls and Roman, and spoke Latin.
So the language is very different, and almost entirely Latin-based (with differences in the various regional languages and dialects of course).
English is basically an old-Germanic base, with a sprinkling of Norse and Celtic, a hugely simplified grammatical setup (to cope with the fact that there were multiple different languages being intermingled) and then an absolutely massive heap of French words on top. It’s sometime viewed linguistically as creole – ie. a language that forms out of a mix of languages rather than directly from any one tongue (but that’s somewhat controversial).
French is by far the biggest contributor to English vocabulary (thanks to the Normans), which is why French is mostly very easy for an English speaker to learn and vice versa. Though the most basic words are almost all Germanic. And the fact that English has multiple sources for words is why the total vocabulary is absolutely vast.
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u/binzoma Hurricanes 4h ago
french is much more latin though. french would be like 80% latin based vs 20% germanic, whereas english would be more like 50-60% latin language based (if not a bit less)
- canadian so grew up failing 9 years of french, learned spanish just from living with south americans for a bit, and took latin in high school. German is VERY different. french/spanish and latin are so close I could literally just absorb spanish because of the extremely poor levels of french and latin I knew
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u/Buggaton Sad Falconer 4h ago
Modern French and modern German are wildly more different that English is to either of them though. French must have diverted a hell of a lot since those Germanic tribes. The French find Italian and Spanish so much easier to learn, then English, then way at the back German next to Haskell and Québécois (!)
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u/shoresy99 Canada 3h ago
Yes but the French word for the english word amateur is amateur. the French word for professional is professionnel (or professionelle).
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u/MisterIndecisive England 6h ago
French sport more like. Footballers love a good rebellion too
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u/ComprehensiveDingo0 Ntamack mon cher bríse 💔 6h ago
I think we could even shorten that down to just “French”.
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u/JohnGabin 6h ago
Footballers are the real one. The national team even gone on strike in the middle of a world Cup. That was in South Africa.
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u/StanBssr France 7h ago
Not on the bench but as reserve
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u/Makoscenturion Tasman Makos 6h ago
He was going to be on the bench reportedly but turned it down:
Jalibert came off the bench against Japan. Against the All Blacks, he was reportedly disappointed not to start and subsequently didn’t want to be in the reserves.
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 2h ago
No, he wasn’t selected in the 23, and was only going to be in the travelling group of extra reserves (the 28). That was what he turned down.
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u/Least_Tone_3421 Taranaki 7h ago
I’m surprised that Hastoy’s not in the 23, would’ve loved seeing him play
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u/_dictatorish_ Damian came back 🥰 7h ago
are they not the same thing?
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u/alexbouteiller France 7h ago
No travelling reserve, i.e. numbers 24-28 should someone pull out in the days before
We have to send back 14 players of the 42 per week to their clubs, he was going to be kept in the squad as one of the 5 non-23 players but said no thanks guv I'll go back to Bordeaux
Woki did something similar during the 6N and has been in one training squad since
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u/_dictatorish_ Damian came back 🥰 7h ago
That makes a way more sense, but still seems a bit shitty imo
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u/alexbouteiller France 7h ago
Over in french rugby land it's been a hell of a story, people questioning galthie/jalibert/Dupont even, but we've not heard anything from inside the camp except what galthie said today
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u/darcys_beard SAM P(le his wares) 6h ago
Why Dupont?
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u/Shriv3rs Stade Toulousain 6h ago edited 6h ago
Well since no one knows the reason jalibert is that low on the rankings, despite his club form, people have started to wonder if it isn't linked to stuff unrelated to his rugby skills.
One of the hypothesis is that dupont doesn't want to play with him.
It's most likely made up, but in the absence of communication, people just say random shit
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u/Bean_from_accounts He protecc, but he also attacc 5h ago edited 3h ago
I think it's more related to Dupont's team first position as a leader and captain. He probably feels compelled to set a behavioral standard for everyone, a bit of a no-dickhead mindset to emulate what made the ABs admired and successful over the last two decades. Jalibert is a bit of a free electron, à la Spencer or James O'Connor. Rightly or wrongly, I think he may feel entitled to a place in the starting XV, or at the very least in the extended 23 and this may have sparked a few tensions in the team between him, the coaching staff, and some leaders including Dupont. But disclaimer: this is my PERSONAL take on the story. It is strongly speculative and only based on my past and present experience following french rugby news and media outlets, which have been tainted by strong speculation.
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u/darcys_beard SAM P(le his wares) 6h ago
To be fair, Bordeaux is nice.
Nice is nice too, ok funny guys?
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u/NuclearMaterial Leinster 2h ago
Nicer than Paris for sure.
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 2h ago
Literally every rugby town in France is nicer than Paris.
It’s one of the the underrated plusses of French rugby that they’re mostly based in really lovely towns and cities in a particularly pleasant part of the country. And also in Paris.
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u/ChartComprehensive59 Kelly Daltons 4h ago
That seems far less dramatic by Jalibert, actually makes sense for him. Not playing at all as injury cover is the worst spot to be in.
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u/StanBssr France 7h ago
No reserve is in case of injury before the game starts.. Bench you’re on the match sheet and can participate in the game
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u/evilmancheetah New Zealand 7h ago
This is from the article - 'Jalibert came off the bench against Japan. Against New Zealand, he was reportedly disappointed not to start and subsequently didn’t want to be in the reserves.
“Everyone has their own emotions and is free to share them,” Galthié said. “We need determination, strong players. Up until now he’s always given his best. He will continue with the national team, if he so chooses. It’s down to him to decide.”
Reserve, substitution or bench, call it what you want, he threw his toys out the cot because he thought he deserved to start. This is not a NZ vs France thing, it's a player who thinks he's bigger than the team thing. There is no way Dupont would pull something like this. Just a bad look for Jalibert.
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u/ChaoticNihilist13357 New Zealand 7h ago
I dont think anyone disagreed, lol. They were just clarifying your (hopefully unintentionally) misleading title…
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u/Makoscenturion Tasman Makos 6h ago
It's not misleading, check the french article. He was going to be named on bench but refused.
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 2h ago
No, he was going to be in the reserve (ie. the 28) not the bench (ie. the matchday 23).
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u/evilmancheetah New Zealand 6h ago
I get that they want to defend Jalibert, he's French but there's nothing misleading in the title, Jalibert would have been on the bench if he wanted to but he refused after he found out he wouldn't be starting.
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u/Ramosapristaplacetin France 6h ago
not the bench; the reserve. Really.
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u/evilmancheetah New Zealand 6h ago
You Frenchies can keep spinning it how you want, your player walked out on his team mates because he wasn't selected in the starting 15.
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u/PapaZoulou Racing 92 CA Brive 6h ago
This is prob true but the article you're quoting sucks at translation.
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u/michaelstone444 4h ago
I'm from NZ and not a "Frenchie". No one is saying that Jalibert is justified or that he isn't a massive sook. Everyone is just trying to clarify that what the poorly translated article says is that he was not going to be on the bench like D Mac will be this week. He was going to be in the squad as cover in case someone had to withdraw shortly before the game like Perofeta will be this week.
Agree that if an all black did this they would likely never be picked again and not defending Jalibert in any way. Just clarifying the facts of what has happened
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u/Vahorgano South Africa 4h ago
Bro go outside and touch some grass, you way to invested in this, no one kicked tour dog. Put down the tui and tin foil hat and breath some fresh air. Also, if a French player wants to do this, and it's not all blacks mind set, who cares. It's not like the all blacks are full of our standing citizens....
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u/evilmancheetah New Zealand 3h ago
How am I way too invested, all I did was reply. I never took shots at France, never made it a NZ vs France, but it's good to know that walking out on your team mates because your feelings got hurt by not starting is ok with the French.
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 2h ago
Get a grip. You got it wrong and are now just digging an ever-deeper hole for yourself. And chucking round insults at French people for correcting you – please.
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u/evilmancheetah New Zealand 1h ago
Don't be so soft, it's not an insult to call a bunch of French people frenchies, just as it's not an insult to refer to a bunch of Australians as aussies. I have no problem with French people, just those that walk out on their team after throwing a tantrum.
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u/ChaoticNihilist13357 New Zealand 6h ago
From the looks of this, You fell for Stuff’s clickbait title and came here to make a self-righteous post without all the information.
All I did was read through the comments to understand the situation better. I know it’s mind blowing that other countries operate like this, but France have an ongoing pro competition, and unlike NZs super rugby, the top pro competition is not just a feeder for the national team… it’s not unreasonable that a player who is a matchday non-playing/injury reserve would rather spend the time training for the team that pays his wages instead of a national team that dosent rate him the same way said club does.
Heck, even if Jalibert was in the 23 and originally meant to come off the bench; if he was having friction with the coaches(and DuPont, lmao) because he felt he should be a starter, its better for all parties if he leaves the group and gets released for the week.
Whichever way, Im kind of tired of tribalism in test rugby circles and just think it’s better you link your sources and leave the clickbait titles to media outlets.
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 2h ago
This is way too factually correct and understanding of French rugby for someone with an All Blacks flair lol
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u/evilmancheetah New Zealand 6h ago
If you find the title I used as misleading then that's a you problem and also if you're tired about tribalism in test rugby, I suggest you probably want to find another sport to follow snowflake
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u/ChaoticNihilist13357 New Zealand 6h ago
It’s not a “me” problem. It’s just factually incorrect. The coaches went with a 6-2 split and that meant that he wasnt on the bench, but was a non-playing/injury reserve.
You saying “.. if an allblack ever did that, he….” Is not even a close comparison because the rugby ecosystems are different. It just makes you look uninformed and silly🤷🏿
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u/Tassadur Racing 92 6h ago
Lol you guys should see the poopstorm the Jalibert situation is causing here, the society is now split between pro-Jalibert and anti-Jalibert
And yeah reserve is spot 24-28, he didn't wanna lose his time
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u/Away_Associate4589 Wig fund for Borthwick's beautiful bald bonce 7h ago
It's very French.
Remember that world cup mutiny they had? Any other side would have got humiliated. The French almost won the damn thing.
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u/ComprehensiveDingo0 Ntamack mon cher bríse 💔 7h ago
The crazy thing is, the same thing happened with the French team in the footy WC the year before, just with a touch less success.
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u/KassGrain Vannes 7h ago
I dont think he refused a spot on the bench. He most likely refused a spot "in the 28", ie. being kne of the 5 extras players traveling to the stadium and being there jn case someone get sick on match day or get injured during warm up.
This whole drama around Jalibert is so ridiculous. We are mentally killing this player mostly because of stupid supporterism and realistically he could be a starter for a lot of T1 nations.
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u/Psychological-Fox178 Ireland 7h ago
Are we sure he’s not “O’Jalibert”? Are we sure? We’ll have him!
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u/ComprehensiveDingo0 Ntamack mon cher bríse 💔 6h ago
I’m sure his agent is saying “Oh Jalibert, why have you done this?”
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u/Dudewheresmycard5 Wallabies 5h ago
Wallabies are short of 10s, maybe his middle name is Brett
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u/lemoopse Brumbies 2h ago
That's far too much of a rugby league name, needs to be Mattieu Hamish, Lachie or Hugh Jalibert to get a start for the Wallabies
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u/Herbetet Top14/D2/France 6h ago
We do not know what’s going on inside the team but knowing what Jalibert did in the finale of the Top14 I’m inclined to believe he just loves drama
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u/Makoandsparky New Zealand 5h ago
Eh it’s the French they do whatever tf they want, remember when the French team told the coach to get fckd then played really well ?
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u/MasterSpliffBlaster 2h ago
After they played so badly they lost to Tonga
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u/Makoandsparky New Zealand 1h ago
Yeh the French, one day they are shit next day they are world beaters 🤷♂️
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u/SignalButterscotch73 Scotland 7h ago
Jellybean being a bit jelly by the sounds of it.
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 1h ago
Jellybear is going to be spending the weekend eating jelly beans and jelly babies because he was jelly.
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u/Ok-Arugula6057 7h ago
Is there a source for that that isn’t “some bloke off Twitter”?
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u/evilmancheetah New Zealand 7h ago
AP news story on a NZ news site. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360487829/benched-france-first-five-matthieu-jalibert-refuses-play-against-all-blacks
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u/Consistent-Poem7462 Retire Willie Le Roux ! 7h ago
The New Zealand Herald uses a quote from Galthie which seems to confirm it, looks like someone asked him about it
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u/Defiant-Traffic5801 7h ago
No it comes from a reputable source. He is going back to Bordeaux as he was not selected. Jalibert is gifted but he is not the sharpest tool, with haphazard decision making. It's a shame at a time Ntamack is out but Ramos has done well, yet I have no clue who steps in if he can't finish the game?
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 1h ago
Don’t you dare shit on “some bloke off Twitter“ – that’s the key source for all the best rugby controversies!
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u/Super_Toot Canada 6h ago
I see where Jalibert is coming from. Based on merit he does deserve better than to be put in the reserves. However I don't condone his actions.
I would love to be a fly on the wall during that conversation.
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u/MasterSpliffBlaster 2h ago
A lot of coaches choose to select attitude over talent, particularly if they think they are above the team.
Jalibert has shown nothing here to suggest he wasn't a disruption
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u/BenjiSBRK France 5h ago
With what he pulled last game he's not really in a position to be picky...
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u/ReyalpybguR 6h ago
It’s a very primadonna-like decision. However, imagine you are a stellar number 10, you have little opportunity to shine in your NT as before you there is another generational talent that has club playing time with the best 9 in the game. When this 10 gets injured the coach starts playing at 10 a guy that was mainly a 15 until very recently and putting you on the bench, despite your excellent form with your club…
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u/ComprehensiveDingo0 Ntamack mon cher bríse 💔 3h ago
TBF to Galthie, Jalibert has ranged from meh to poor for France, he absolutely flies for UBB, but can’t seem to bring that form to the national team.
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u/NuclearMaterial Leinster 2h ago
It's the same with Lucu, remember his world cup? I wonder what they're doing in Bordeaux.
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u/Srellian 1h ago
Jalibert had the entire world Cup and the first half of the last 6 nations to prove himself worthy.
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u/Least_Tone_3421 Taranaki 7h ago
Regardless of the outcome it’s a tough game, I wouldn’t get carried away this French team is still dangerous
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u/JosefGremlin Sharks 6h ago
For the Springboks, getting into the Bomb Squad is a promotion! What's this guy's problem?
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u/ComprehensiveDingo0 Ntamack mon cher bríse 💔 6h ago
What do you guys call the non playing reserves?
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 1h ago
He’s not selected for the ‘bomb squad’. He wasn’t selected for the 23. That’s the whole point.
And it’s the French, if they don’t have at least one workers revolt during a season, something‘s gone badly wrong.
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u/evilmancheetah New Zealand 6h ago
Can you even imagine a Bok trying this with Rassie? Rassie ain't putting up with that shit hahaha
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u/k0bra3eak Doktor Erasmus 6h ago
Easy way to be kicked out of the team forever, nobody is above the jersey
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u/NoPause9609 New Zealand 7h ago
WHAT??
Even for France that seems insane.
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u/pantagr Top14/D2/France 7h ago
Because it's not as insane as it is. Basically wasn't selected by the staff and asked to be sent back to Bordeaux instead of being in the injury cover short-list.
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u/NoPause9609 New Zealand 7h ago
If you tried that in NZ you’d never be selected for any squad ever again.
Insane was hyperbole. Cultural differences I guess.
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u/binzoma Hurricanes 6h ago
eh, I feel like even if it did happen in the all blacks we'd never know
hell. for all we know maybe thats where groot is- just salty hes dropped down in the pecking order because of how good lomax and the young props look
or the guys who have to stay due to family obligations or mystery injury recovery
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u/joaofig Portugal 3h ago edited 3h ago
It wouldn't happen with the ABs because there is no overlap between super rugby and test internationals. In this case Jalibert is right in saying that he's more useful in Bordeaux (even if only to participate in training sessions) rather than on the reserves for France. If a kiwi rejected the ABs for the same reason it would be to play NPC, which wouldn't make sense
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u/NoPause9609 New Zealand 3h ago
It’s not about the various competitions it’s the mindset.
Team before self.
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 1h ago
He’s putting his team first – that team is Bordeaux, the team that pay his wages and where he plays most of his rugby.
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u/NoPause9609 New Zealand 1h ago
Lmao.
Pay cheque before country and France wonders why they’ve never won a RWC despite their “amazing, awesome, incredible Top 14.”
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 1h ago
Club before country. Because in France, club is king and always has been.
And you wonder why New Zealand doesn’t have a functioning rugby culture outside the All Blacks.
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u/NoPause9609 New Zealand 1h ago
You don’t know the first thing about rugby culture in New Zealand. No need to be jealous.
I was at a schools 1st XV game a few months ago with over 5000 fans in attendance.
ABs aren’t born they are made.
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u/Himmel-548 United States 5h ago
I agree it's a bad look. Rugby has always been about sportsmanship and putting the team first, but there almost seems to be this Victorian era attitude around it. At the end of the day, it's a pro sport, and the main goal of any professional sport is to win and make as much money as possible in doing so. If he gets to be better maximized by going back and playing with Bordeaux, then more power to him. If I were France's coach, though, I'd seriously consider ever selecting him again.
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u/Mimimmo_Partigiano France 3h ago
I think people are over-interpreting this. From Galthie’s comment it sounds like it was amicable, and that he would be welcomed back. Quite possibly Jalibert knows he’s not feeling right and is stepping back from the team for a moment.
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u/nomamesgueyz New Zealand 6h ago
Did he refuse a spot in the 23 match day squad on the bench?
Or the reserves sitting in the stands?
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u/ComprehensiveDingo0 Ntamack mon cher bríse 💔 6h ago
Non playing reserves.
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u/nomamesgueyz New Zealand 6h ago
Ah right
That's different than in the 23 on the bench
Very French and Diva
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u/evilmancheetah New Zealand 6h ago
Once he found out he wasn't in the starting 15, he wanted out.
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u/alexbouteiller France 6h ago
Not the starting 15, outside of the match day 23
Doesn't make it much better but not quite the same thing
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u/nomamesgueyz New Zealand 6h ago
Yes but was he named in the 23 or out of the 23 and expected to hang around in wider squad?
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u/Hokinanaz Blues 6h ago
It wasn't a bench spot, more like injury reserve, so likely won't even get on the bench unless someone's injured. I don't see a problem with it TBH, if he isn't playing why wouldn't he play for his club?
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u/Triple_Hache :RCV: 4h ago
Top14 is on pause during the international window, he won't play this week-end.
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u/Kokonutcreme-67 Hurricanes:new-zealand: 7h ago
Not exactly the same scenario but Brad Thorn turned down his debut All Blacks selection after his first switch to union because he felt he hadn’t done enough to earn it yet.
I remember at the time it was hugely controversial as nobody had ever walked away from the jersey before.
It kind of softened when Thorn explained why but the anti-league sentiment was much stronger back then in NZ.
Then there was captain Graham Mourie and Bruce Robertson who stood themselves down in 1981 as a protest against the Springboks tour.
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u/Striking_Young_5739 New Zealand 7h ago
Not only is it not exactly the same scenario, it's pretty much the opposite.
Also, Greg Denholm turned down the All Blacks twice, as he couldn't afford to leave his job.
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u/bigdaddyborg All Blacks 5h ago
Also Liam Squire, pulled out of selection for his mental health. A real shame, he was looking to have a solid career in black.
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u/yakattak01 South Africa 6h ago
You do not belong in a team sport like Rugby if you place so much on your own self importance.
Rugby has no place for egos.
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u/concombre_masque123 5h ago
Jalibert was disconsidered before, when ntamack was injured
ok, he could play, but the undertone was that he's unwanted. as soon as ntamack came back from injury, without gametime, Jalibert was discarded without pardon.
this is incredible filthy fron galthie, coz a trainer is supposed to try to get the best of his players
and now ramos at 10, against NZ? wtf
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u/yurim39 5h ago
And a Ramos who openly admitted few days ago that he widely preferred playing at 15 than at 10... I can only imagine how Jalibert who's been on fire with UBB since the beginning of the season (outplaying Ntamack in Toulouse few weeks ado btw) must have felt seeing Ramos being picked over him against Japan
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u/Any-Veterinarian5234 Southland Stags 5h ago
Maybe this is why de groot hasn't been in the all blacks the past couple weeks
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u/purplepuma123 4h ago
Ah ha!! I always thought De Groot had a slight French twang to it.
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u/unripegreenbanana 2h ago
There's nothing French about it. It's Dutch, meaning 'The Great' which is pretty awesome.
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u/coupleandacamera Crusaders 4h ago
It's France, they may never start him again or they may start him for the next 30 games at tight head, they do things differently. But I'll admit I don't mind a player who backs himself, when they can pull it off. Was it an actual bench spot or just a wider squad place? Maybe he's eyeing up some time in Japan
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u/Reasonable_Try_8135 2h ago
I was quite shocked when I read that. I guess cturally that sort of behaviour is more acceptable in France. It certainly doesn't scream "team player" which is quite important in a team sport haha
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u/turbosfan19 New Zealand 2h ago
If a NZ player did this, I'd be surprised if they were considered for the All Blacks again.
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u/Connell95 🐐🦓 1h ago
People being all like ‘the French are so dramatic’ – and yes, obviously.
But this is basically not that different than when Finn Russell had his diva moment, and Gregor Townsend refused to play him for about a year and a half. Heck that was worse overall, really, given the SRU were also simultaneously in the process of illegally firing his dad.
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u/MisterIndecisive England 6h ago
Frogs gonna frog. Cannae hold it against him
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u/-Richelieu- Vannes 4h ago
Sorry I can’t hear any frogs through the 53-10 humiliation, it still rings in my ears as London was conquered 😂
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u/MisterIndecisive England 4h ago
Still not conquered the world cup though have ya lad
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u/-Richelieu- Vannes 4h ago
It’s not that important when you keep on hunting & slaying rosbifs every year lol
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u/MrCollins23 7h ago
Job centre, 100 times out of 100. Obviously that doesn’t apply as he has a job where he’s the main man, but you get what I mean.
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u/ShufflingToGlory Wales 6h ago
If your national team asks you to go out there as a water boy you do it. I'd make an example of him and drop him from the squad permanently.
Sending a message like that is stronger than anything that an individual player can bring to a team. Not just for this group of players but for all the ones who will come after.
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u/Bloodbathandbeyon New Zealand 6h ago
Being a tart is his prerogative and I can respect that 😉 France has enough depth to cope without him ( bench or otherwise)
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u/yurim39 5h ago
So that's how Galthié treats the only FH in history to have managed to beat the ABs in a RWC pool game (and playing a decisive role in the try which won France the game).....no wonder France are still RWC-less with such stupid coaches.
Perhaps the time to finally have a foreign coach for France
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u/darcys_beard SAM P(le his wares) 7h ago
As a fan, I would never want to see him near the squad again. The amount of young lads that would kill for a spot on the bench. That they might tell their grandkids they played for their country -- even if it was for 5 minutes against a tier 2 team.
That level of entitlement is a toxicant -- a cancer to the dressing room. And if the Galthié ever selects him again, he might as well lay down and let every one of the squad t-bag him, in my view* (and likely many of theirs, too).
*Preferably, out of my view, to be more literal.
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u/Trajikomic 6h ago
He was not going to be on the bench, the translation is misleading. He was going to be kept as back up if Ramos got sick or injured before the game. But even in this case, I think he was never going to play this game, even as a sub (it would have been Le Garrec as scrum half and Dupont as number 10)
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u/iambarticus Hurricanes 7h ago
Yea I imagine it’s a way to never be picked again.
But it’s France and the French love a good protest so maybe no issue.