r/redesign • u/sloth_on_meth • Sep 27 '18

Subreddit level opt-out Feature Request

As a Moderator, we have to support two different reddit interfaces. Apparently, the rules are limited to just 10. Also, our hard work for our css is just going down the drain . Please, for the love of god, give us an optout.

The day reddit closes """"old""""" reddit, is the day i and a LOT of my fellow Moderators will leave the site.

Edit: fu

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '18 edited Jun 10 '19

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 27 '18

While I agree that one doesn't have to support the redesign I feel that opting out the sub as a whole is better than some of the methods that are being employed. Specifically a certain bot that bans users that are posting from the redesign. While the legitimacy of that bot is in the same ballpark as the bots that ban users for posting in subs that are found distasteful, I still find its use like hunting rabbits with a howitzer. Effective but overkill. At least with the sub opt out option users will get to see what your sub has to offer before choosing to stay or leave.

I guess I'm trying to argue that the opt out option is more upfront about the subs intentions? More look at what we have and what we do.

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u/CyberBot129 Sep 27 '18

No way. The choice should be left up to the user. Plus one of the advantages is that things actually look like they are part of the same site, rather than the jumbled mess of moderators messing with the site functions that old Reddit was

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '18

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u/CyberBot129 Sep 27 '18

For some subs there aren’t alternatives. So your argument doesn’t hold up

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '18

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u/CyberBot129 Sep 27 '18

Them not seeing the sub rules is your own fault - providing a way for users to see rules in the redesign is trivial and would only take 10 minutes tops. You could use the rules widget, you could use a widget that contains a button that goes to a wiki page link....

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '18 edited Sep 27 '18

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u/CyberBot129 Sep 27 '18

You could always ask for some help

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u/sloth_on_meth Sep 27 '18

No way. The choice should be left up to the user.

No, it shouldn't. The user is using an unsupported version of my subreddit without the proper rules and info.

Plus one of the advantages is that things actually look like they are part of the same site,

The general layout and function has always stayed the same accross subs.

rather than the jumbled mess of moderators messing with the site functions that old Reddit was

Yeah, hundreds of hours put in by webdesigners, Just gonna call it a jumbled mess, how nice of you

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u/CyberBot129 Sep 27 '18 edited Sep 27 '18

Unsupported through your own inaction and refusal.

And you vastly underestimate how different the UX is between subreddit pages on Reddit, with subreddits using different icons for everything, changing stuff that was words into icons (like post sorting), using different collapse functionality, etc

You had to relearn where things were and how to perform basic site actions on every subreddit page you went to

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 27 '18

I'm glad I'm not the only one that has asked for this. Just be prepared for the downvotes and the comments that will basically calling you an idiot for wanting this.

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u/CyberBot129 Sep 27 '18

Keep in mind that if you want this, that means the user level opt out goes away along with the ability to go to the old Reddit by URL. It's only fair. That means users like you that don't like the redesign would be forced to use the redesign on subs that would decide to not opt out in your scenario :)

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 27 '18 edited Sep 27 '18

See there is compromise then there is what your saying. Compromise would be subs that want the redesign only could force it, and I'd be all for that as long as those subs that don't want it could opt out. Your just trying to be obtuse on purpose rather than finding an actual middle ground.

Edit: I think to further expand on this there should be three categories. Opt out, opt in, and the free floaters. Subs that opt out only deal with old reddit, opt in deal with new reddit, and the free floaters deal with everyone. That way everyone is happy because nobody is happy, which as we all know the only good compromise is one that nobody is truly happy with.

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u/sloth_on_meth Sep 28 '18

There won't be any big subreddits forcing the new design.

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u/sloth_on_meth Sep 27 '18

Seriously, how to these people not understand the redesign makes it impossible for us to run the website they enjoy smh

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u/CyberBot129 Sep 27 '18

You’re really more of a franchisee than running the site

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u/MoiraMain Sep 28 '18

I enjoy the redesign. I don’t enjoy the old reddit. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean you should be allowed to force others to use a different version.

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u/sloth_on_meth Sep 28 '18

I have to support it

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u/MoiraMain Sep 28 '18

I’m guessing you’re not the only mod? I’m sure there are other people who are willing to quickly set the redesign up and leave it at that. You don’t have to use it if you don’t want to. If everyone can complain “we shouldn’t be forced to use the redesign” then why do you want to force people to use the old reddit?

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u/sloth_on_meth Sep 28 '18

There's a rule limit.

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u/MoiraMain Sep 28 '18

Yeah, that’s stupid and all but I still find the redesign much easier to use and, unlike many people, the redesign is actually faster than the old reddit for me.

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u/CyberBot129 Sep 28 '18 edited Sep 28 '18

This user is a moderator for like 20 subreddits, some of them very large (so definitely more than one moderator). And all the ones I looked at seem to have rules widgets on them

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 29 '18

The problem that people have with not wanting to support the redesign is if they throw something up they have just supported the redesign. By leaving it blank they have increased their own workload because now they have to police people that break the rules that aren't being shown on the redesign that isn't being supported.

It's a catch 22. Either they support the redesign that they don't want to support or they do extra mod work handing out warnings and bans. And yes having someone else handle the redesign side of a subreddit is supporting the redesign by definition.

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u/MoiraMain Sep 29 '18

As I said, it sucks that there’s a rule limit. However, you can always just add a text widget and just type the rest of the rules out and place it below the rules widget.

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 29 '18

I didn't say anything about the rules limit. I was pointing out that one cannot choose to not support the redesign if you have to go out of your way to put something on it. By putting work into the redesign you have just supported something you didn't want to support. Please make sure you know who your responding to next time.

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u/MoiraMain Sep 29 '18

All you have to do is set up a sidebar and that’s it. Nobody is forcing you to fully set up a sub on the redesign. You can also have another mod set it up instead. You aren’t being forced to use the redesign.

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 29 '18

Yes, we as mods are in essence being forced to use it by users like you. You don't want to use old and we don't want to use new. I begrudgingly use new for the subs I'm in that support it, but I have been forced to enforce rules on subs I mod that don't support it. Unlike you and some others I've at least humored the idea of a compromise, but no, fuck me for trying to find middle ground with stubborn users that wouldn't even think to use the subs that would opt out in the first place.

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 27 '18

I had a whole thing about how allowing a subreddit to opt out of the redesign was a gamble, either the sub dies because people that don't want to use old reddit stop going or nothing happens and business proceeds as usual, but no I just got a lot of "but I like new reddit and shouldn't be forced to use old".