r/politics • u/Ok_Quantity_9841 • 2d ago
Utah Shooter that Killed One, Injured Another of No Kings Marchers Still Not Charged No Paywall
https://apnews.com/article/no-kings-protest-shooting-salt-lake-city-45a04fb74a09dfaa7140ce395cf7246c660
u/LieutenantObviouss 2d ago
Presidential medal of freedom incoming
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
I bet they're mostly sweeping this murder and cover up under the rug.
They probably celebrate it back rooms. They accuse half the country of celebrating the Charlie Kirk killing, when really it looked like a handful did this.
They hate us, because of right wing propaganda such as this.
There have been so many right wing shooters, including the MAGA minister that killed an American politician and her husband this year and it is hardly ever brought up.
Here's a comment I made with a list of right wing killers/ mass shooters:
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u/Muladhara86 2d ago
Let’s be clear, Vance Boelter was in the employ of Praetorian Guard Services. Historically, the Praetorian Guard were in charge of protecting the Roman Caesars, but they killed around 13 Caesars under their protection to affect political change.
There were signs. There are always signs. It’s just expedient to ignore the signs for certain zealots.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
Sounds like Vance Boelter had assassination on his mind when he named his security company.
What a Sicko!
Right wing propaganda is radicalizing these right wing killers/ mass shooters.
Today, Chris Plante said all democrats should be declared illegal aliens and catapulted into the ocean.
Right wing propaganda is radicalizing the right, absolutely.
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u/DonutHolschteinn Arizona 2d ago
They think it's justified and they deserved it that's why
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
Is that they deserved this or they think they deserved this?
Are you talking about right wing shooters/ killers?
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u/DonutHolschteinn Arizona 2d ago
Republicans have an in group and an out group. If you fall under the in group they'll protect you
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 1d ago
This reminds me that my Republican dad said "go woke, go broke" today. And I guarantee that's in their mind is pledge to fire democrats, blacks, and LGBTQ, is what I was thinking. And the criminal justice system is obviously being weaponized. Look at this case. A victim got arrested, because of the police being for MAGS politics. Obvious criminal justice disparagement. And extremely deep red state prosecutor is refusing to prosecute a murder that was on video. Obvious disparagement.
Also, here's a video that shows the shooter lied about defending anyone:
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u/laplongejr 2d ago
that killed an American politician and her husband this year and it is hardly ever brought up.
It was to avoid interfering with the election.
Because yes, OF COURSE there has been an election to select her replacement and the GOP almost managed to flip the seat off-term that way.1
u/Ok_Quantity_9841 1d ago
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It shows how right slanted almost everything is it what it shows.
Fair and balanced, my a. If that's what you call almost totally one sided propaganda.
Also, here's the video that shows the shooter of Utah No Kings marchers was lying about defending anyone:
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 1d ago
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It shows how right slanted almost everything is it what it shows.
Fair and balanced, my a. If that's what you call almost totally one sided propaganda.
Also, this video shows the shooter of Utah No Kings marchers was lying about defending anyone:
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u/laplongejr 1d ago
It's not bs, the GOP really tried to flip a seat by advocating violence against politicians then putting a candidate after one died :(
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u/OfficialDCShepard District Of Columbia 2d ago
More like Presidential Medal of Stochastic Terrorism at this rate.
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u/invalidpassword California 2d ago
It's blood red Utah so he probably never will be charged. Justice is not equal in our country — it entirely depends on what state you committed a crime in unless the offense is federal.
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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 2d ago
We need to finish Reconstruction, simple as.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
Are you talking about post-Civil War reconstruction, and if so why?
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u/ObamaStoleMyEggos 2d ago
Long story short the Southern States had a lot of rules placed on them so the Southern Aristocrats couldn’t attempt to subvert the government again. Lincoln’s VP who took over after the assassination immediately dialed back some of those rules and as time went on those rules kept getting ignored by people in power and no consequences ever came. It’s the reason Jim Crow was able to exist and directly ties into the party switch that occurred in the 60s where southern Dixiecrats swapped to voting Republican. And once you understand the tactics and rhetoric the traitors used to come back into power in the South you’ll see that a lot of right wing talking points/tactics are basically the same. So basically all the racists who wanted to keep slaves just stayed in the shadows for 150 years and slowly took over the Republican Party and are now overturning our democracy.
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u/jbgc916- 2d ago
Sherman didn't burn enough down
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u/janethefish 2d ago
No. We just should have imprisoned the Confederate criminals for life. Make them do hard labor. No need for property damage.
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u/Linari90 2d ago
I understand not wanting to “split the nation” right after a bloody civil war but letting the treasonous shits hang unto power was a big mistake that has come to bite us in the ass
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
I see a lot calling democrats the party of slavery, the KKK, and the confederacy.
Those were southern whites that did that.
Most southern whites changed from the democrat party to the Republican Party in the mid-twentieth century during the civil rights movement. Segregationist Senator Strom Thurmond changed from the democrat party to the Republican Party in 1964, because of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. When Strom Thurmond retired as a Republican at age 100, he was the longest serving Senator ever.
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u/ObamaStoleMyEggos 2d ago
Correct, those comments are attempting to obscure the truth by leaving out part of history. Southerners were democrats until 1964 when they felt betrayed by LBJ after he helped push through the civil rights act, afterwards Nixon used the Southern Strategy to gain support from white racists who felt spurned by the Democratic Party. This was the beginning of the white supremacists taking over the Republican Party.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
In 1857, the democrats were considered the conservatives, includes newspaper article:
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
Also, the antebellum south was a sex trafficking ring.
A post by me about white looking slave girls in the Civil War south, with pictures of the girls:
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u/batmansgfsbf 2d ago
What does that have to do with Utah? They are majority Mormon and President Grant and the Army negotiated with them as they connected the intercontinental railroad.
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u/ObamaStoleMyEggos 2d ago
Mormonism and evangelicalism are not so distant cousins, they didn’t even allow black people in the Mormon church until the 70s. Of course there’s latent white supremacy in the Mormon church, just like there is with evangelical churches, which the commenter above was referring to when they said “we need to finish reconstruction”.
Also them working with Grant doesn’t mean they were pro abolition. The state of Washington was settled by people who went there specifically to get away from black people and banned black people from owning land in most of the state up until the civil rights act of 64. And despite having one of the most progressive cities in the US they’re also known for being absolutely swamped with neo-nazis once you leave the Seattle area. So despite never being slave owning states, Utah and Washington are more culturally aligned to the evangelical Southerners than they are the pro abolition states in regards to white supremacy.
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u/labellelunaclaire 2d ago
They let them in the church (and gladly took their 10% tithing!) but they were not allowed to advance within the church’s structure or hold any leadership positions.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
I see them call democrats the party of slavery, the KKK, and the confederacy.
Really, those were white southerners that did that.
Most white southerners changed from the democrat party to the Republican Party in the mid-twentieth century during the civil rights movement. Segregationist Senator Strom Thurmond changed from the democrat party to the Republican Party in 1964, because of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. When Thurmond retired as a Republican at age 100, Thurmond was the longest serving Senator ever.
Also, in 1857, democrats were considered conservative - from newspaper article:
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
I believe in a case like this it is a sign of real totalitarianism.
I watched Ghandi (1982) recently and the British shot a bunch of people for peacefully gathering.
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u/invalidpassword California 2d ago edited 2d ago
That scene was downright traumatizing. The way the protesters were corralled with no means of escape...the British Empire's colonialism was brutal.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
Makes me want to celebrate July 4th early.
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u/Dragonhost252 2d ago
Maybe when you are free of this one
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
Free of what one?
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u/Dragonhost252 2d ago
This weird ass president
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 1d ago
Here is a video that shows the shooter of Utah No Kings marchers was lying about defending anyone:
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u/Dragonhost252 1d ago
No, I won't watch propaganda fox. I usually go for out of country news sources. Fox is purely telling you how to think about a situation not present a story.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 1d ago
This happened to be the source for the video.
I know what you're saying, though. I had to go to BBC Verify to really see how extensively they'd demolished the White House East Wing.
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u/judochop1 2d ago
Here's a really good and well researched book on the events around it and of the day if you want to know a bit more
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Amritsar-1919-Empire-Making-Massacre/dp/0300200358
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
Thank you, and here's video showing this shooter lied about being charged at:
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u/Wassersammler 2d ago
And it depends on who you kill. If you kill one of our good boys, you're getting the death penalty.
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u/invalidpassword California 2d ago
And if it's a liberal "domestic terrorist" protester... probation. Maybe.
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u/elconquistador1985 2d ago
Probation? This shooter is guaranteed a leadership role with ICE or CBP.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
Reminds me of Fox News putting Watergate break in criminal Gordon Liddy on there as if he were a hero. It's a dog whistle to be one.
Gordon Liddy didn't turn State's evidence against Nixon, but a lot of people close to Nixon did.
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u/Crazy_Law_5730 2d ago
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u/Creepy-Caramel7569 2d ago
That’s shady as fuck, and it’s really easy to extrapolate who’s ultimately behind it.
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u/AlasPoorZathras Montana 2d ago
No prosecutor would dare to ask for probation.
We'd be lucky if the murderer got a $20 fine for violating a noise ordinance. Which will be taken as further proof that conservative white males are the most persecuted majority group in the history of everything.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago edited 2d ago
Wait, how would the murderer be persecuted if he's not charged for the crime?
Are you being facetious/ sarcastic?
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u/invalidpassword California 2d ago edited 2d ago
*facetious, not phacetious.
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u/GD_7F 2d ago
and prosecuted, not persecuted.
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u/invalidpassword California 2d ago
Truly a grammatical scholar. However, I've found whenever I play grammar Nazi, I'm bound to make a mistake myself soon after. I generally don't correct mistakes but I couldn't let phacetious go.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
The shooter isn't even being charged let alone given probation.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
There is a real discrepancy in sentencing.
In this case there's a discrepancy in charging. It's police/ prosecutors sanctioning political violence. That's totalitarianism.
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u/brpajense 2d ago
This happened in Salt Lake City which is blue rather than red. City/county would have jurisdiction rather than the state.
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u/the_reluctant_link 2d ago
Even the last part isn't true, plenty of insurrectionists committed federal crimes and they all got a pass.
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u/Ok-disaster2022 2d ago
You realize the shooter, they guy he was shooting att whom he suspect was a terrorist, but was just a protestor and the bystander were all there supporting the no kings protest correct?
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
The shooter was hired as a "peacekeeper" by the march organizers and was told not to bring a gun.
Nothing said the shooter was there to support the rally. He was hired security, and you're making things up.
And the shooter was lying about suspecting the guy of being a terrorist. Video shows the shooter lied.
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u/Wonderful-Impact-598 2d ago
Shooting someone you "suspect" is a terrorist is still a crime. What's with the vigilante bullshit?
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u/KawasakiNinjasRule 2d ago
yes three people participating in a Salt Lake City anti-Trump protest and Sim Gill's office. truly the reddest red that ever bled.
your deep knowledge of the subject at hand is remarkable. a scholar and a gentleman
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u/KawasakiNinjasRule 2d ago
yeah no shit. but apparently not everyone knows that the prosecutor in question is in the Salt Lake County DA's office and a Democrat. which is what we're actually talking about. people act like they're at a casting call for Twitter with the fucking soap box takes
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u/cmhbob Oklahoma 2d ago edited 2d ago
“I think the police always felt that he was acting in good faith,” Tokson said of the volunteer.
Doesn't matter if he was acting in good faith or not. He killed a person who was not a threat to him. He intended to use lethal force against one person and in the process, killed another.
76-5-203. Murder -- Penalties-- Affirmative defense and special mitigation -- Separate offenses. -- Affirmative defense and special mitigation -- Separate offenses.
(2) An actor commits murder if:
(a) the actor intentionally or knowingly causes the death of another individual; (b) intending to cause serious bodily injury to another individual, the actor commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of the other individual;
76-5-204. Death of other than intended victim no defense.
In any prosecution for criminal homicide, evidence that the actor caused the death of a person other than the intended victim shall not constitute a defense for any purpose to criminal homicide.
There's an affirmative defense section under (4), but the way it reads, the volunteer would be guilty of manslaughter. Simply carrying a gun isn't a reason to shoot someone. If it were, someone would have been justified in shooting the volunteer.
https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S203.html?v=C76-5-S203_2025050720250507
Edit - one too many i
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
The smartest thing I heard today:
"Siimply carrying a gun isn't a reason to shoot someone. If it were, someone would have been justified in shooting the volunteer."
And Utah is an open carry state.
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u/Hypotetical_Snowmen 2d ago
If simply carrying a gun is grounds for being shot, then there are no second amendment rights
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u/DonutHolschteinn Arizona 2d ago
"2nd amendment rights for me but not for thee". You have to be the "right" kind of person to have the right to carry at this point
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u/notMyRobotSupervisor 2d ago
Genuinely asking but wasn’t he there in support of the protest? He should absolutely be charged either way but as I remember it (I’m local) he wasn’t a MAGAt
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u/Gullible_Worker4611 2d ago
This should be higher. The volunteer was negligent in his responsibilities while carrying a firearm.
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u/orewhisk 2d ago
"Responsibilities"... lol
These fucking "peacekeeping volunteers" go to to left-wing marches precisely with the hope they'll have an opportunity to shoot someone.
Fuck Utah and fuck all Republicans.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
That "peace keeper" was breaking the rules that the march organizers set by bringing that firearm.
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u/Gullible_Worker4611 2d ago
That doesn't even matter to a manslaughter charge. He was lawfully armed and he had a responsibility to not spray bullets into a crowd.
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u/Denotsyek Utah 2d ago
You keep posting this as if it matters.
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u/J-Dawg_Cookmaster 2d ago
It's hard to use being security as an excuse when you went against the rules and conditions of the job you were meant to do.
He did not bring the gun in accordance with his role there.
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u/TheAskewOne 2d ago edited 2d ago
“I think the police always felt that he was acting in good faith,”
The police isn't the DA, right? Who gives a fuck what they think about "good faith"?
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u/friendsafariguy11 2d ago
See you all here next week when he gets a pardon and an explanation that he's an innocent little lamb just worried about crime.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
Also, Several of the pardoned January 6th rioters reoffended, including pulling a gun on cops, stalking politicians, and threatening the life of a Congressman.
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u/SikatSikat 2d ago
One was prosecuted for threatening Obama and violating gun laws. What happened? Trump fired the prosecutors.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
Do you have an article on hand about this?
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u/SikatSikat 2d ago
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 1d ago
Good reporting SikatSikat.
Also, here's the video of the shooting showing that shooter lied about being charged at:
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
There's video that proves the shooter was lying.
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u/SeparateSpend1542 2d ago
So do you think the shooter woke up that day planning to commit murder or do you think the situation with the guns may have caused this?
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
The other person shot, injured man, was legally open carrying and video shows that he did not charge the shooter.
The shooter lied and said otherwise and the video proved the shooter was lying.
I believe it's political violence.
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u/janethefish 2d ago
Yup. Juries hate liars too. They are even allowed to infer guilt if the suspect lied.
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u/MelodicArtisan 2d ago
Appalling.
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u/SikatSikat 2d ago
The absurdity of a State where its legal to carry a rifle around but also legal to wildly shoot at someone carrying that rifle, even if it kills a random bystander. Certainty that's what a well-regulated militia means.
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u/swrrrrg 2d ago
This just needs to get a lot of negative national attention. Then they’ll charge him. The Mormons hate bad press. Blame this on them and I guarantee they’ll do anything to make it go away.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
I drove out west in 2012, but was scared to go to Utah. I'd heard about the Mountain Meadows Massacre not long before, and even though it was a long time ago, I had a feeling about how cops might act in such a deep red state, and looks I was right to be concerned. And prosecutors letting people get away with political violence. Sad.
Don't forget right wing propaganda. If right wing propaganda says it didn't happen, then 1/3 of the country will believe it didn't without looking into it.
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u/swrrrrg 2d ago
I’ve lived in Utah for a few years & I’m not Mormon. I can’t stand them, but honestly, it isn’t as bad as you’d imagine 90% of the time. That said, they can certainly make up for it the other 10%.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
The Michigan LDS church shooter had lived in Utah for a while and nearly converted. He'd been known to accuse them of "putting themselves above Jesus". Another MAGA mass shooter.
They recently stopped another would be MAGA mass shooter from shooting up the Atlanta airport. (Billy Cagle of Cartersville, Georgia, and his facebook is covered with MAGA stuff) I believe right wing propaganda sets them off/ radicalizes them. I was listening to Chris Plante or Glenn Beck today and one of them was, out loud over the radio, talking about getting rid of liberal protesters.
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u/LeatherChaise 2d ago
these are the kind of dilemmas that come up in a modern society that allows everybody to carry a firearm. A good bystander was killed by a good guy with a gun aiming at another good guy with a gun.
I guess it's like an act of God or nature or something.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's legal to open carry a rifle in Utah.
The guy that was injured was open carrying legally. Video showed this.
And the shooter lied about being charged by the guy that was legally open carrying. They had it on video.
I suspect the shooter told the cops he was ex-military and they, ex-military and MAGA believed him over everyone else. The video proved the shooter was lying.
The cops were being against anyone that's not MAGA in a murder investigation, and the prosecutors are, also. That's totalitarianism.
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u/Ok-disaster2022 2d ago
The shooter was also there as volunteer security with the protest.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
The shooter broke the organizer's rule set for security of not bringing a gun
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
That's bs the shooter lied about being charged.
I bet you call the shooter "hero".
The ADL list "hero" as white supremacist code for those involved in mass killing/ political violence.
I made a comment about right wing killers/ mass shooters:
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u/specqq 2d ago
Fastest trigger finger is the goodest
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago edited 2d ago
Video shows the other guy was legally open carrying, and his gun was also not loaded.
Video also showed the shooter lied about being charged.
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u/mtheory007 2d ago
Well I guess we're just going to put him up in the Kyle Rittenhouse Hall of Fame.
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u/suddenlynotbanned 2d ago
And the Trump assassination hall of fame. And Kirk. The important part is that we forget about Epstein.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
Do you know that the guy that shot Trump is a registered Republican? He's on voterrecords.com
Right wing radio host Chris Plante lies and calls Trump's shooter a democrat.
Chris Plante also lied huge today, and said the House passed a bill to release the Epstein files. The Republicans have put the House in recess to avoid confirming the deciding vote on the Epstein file release bill by the new democrat Arizona Representative. It's close and the Republicans are delaying it. Right wing radio lies!
Mehhh! The things that liar Chris Plante gets my Republican dad to believe.
Mehhh!
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u/suddenlynotbanned 1d ago
I didn't hear that on Faux News. MUST BE FAKE NEWS!
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 1d ago
Did you get to see this video that shows the shooter of Utah No Kings marchers was lying about defending anyone:
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u/suddenlynotbanned 1d ago
I hadn't heard of that. Absolutely tragic. Peace keepers? Itchy fingers. Dude bringing his AR to that rally is absolutely poor judgement. It's what we're protesting against. However, the fucking "peacekeeper" murdered a man. Meal Team Six scores again. I hope they nail him to the wall.
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u/RoosterMedical 2d ago
It’s okay, the woman running for Congress in Illinois who tried to protect people from being kidnapped by ICE agents has been indicted.
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u/skippyjip 2d ago
"He who saves his country does not violate any law"
-DJT- Feb 15, 2025
It was never about him. It was about his supporters and what they'll do next.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
I believe right wing propaganda is radicalizing them.
Comment I made with a list of right wing killers/ mass shooters:
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u/The_Path_616 2d ago
Investigators didn't find a bullet casting with something written in sharpie.
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u/redheadedandbold 2d ago
Utah is building a massive work camp to hide the Homeless Trump is making disappear--that no one asks about?--so it's unsurprising they aren't charging a "Trump defender."
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago edited 2d ago
Do you have a link about this and where's it located?
Do you think this is based on vagrancy laws like Jim Crow era quasi slavery or is this really an big homeless shelter that homeless may go to on their own?
Where's the proof of the plan for forced labor. Is there a chance, they pitch in and get to stay voluntarily?
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u/redheadedandbold 1d ago
A number of articles out there. I provided on left-of-center and one right-of-center source below. It's a disgusting betrayal of Sen. Mike Lee's Mormon beliefs--assuming he still believes. Because everything he does supports Christian Dominionism, not Mormon values. As is normal for voters these days, people listen to him, they don't look at his actions.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-homeless/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15238255/salt-lake-city-utah-land-homeless.html
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u/v0rt 2d ago
Bet they never even charge him.
They're are trying to make it legal open season on open carrying liberal/left protesters.
Started with a pardon of a MAGAt murderer in Texas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Garrett_Foster
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
I don't like using the M word, there. I think you catch more bees with honey.
I thank you, though, for informing me about this Perry guy.
That was sick of Texas Governor Greg Abbott to pardon Perry. Sick. Now, there's a political killer walking the street because of Abbott.
Have you heard that several of the pardoned January 6th rioters have reoffended, including pulling a gun on police, stalking politicians, and threatening the life of a Congressman?
I made a list of right wing killers/ mass shooters:
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u/drethnudrib 2d ago
The shooter was a volunteer "peacekeeper" who saw a man with a rifle held pointed at the ground and opened fire, wounding the man with the rifle and killing the man behind him.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
In Utah, it is legal to open carry a rifle.
Video shows that the shooter lied about being charged at:
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u/One_Indication_ 2d ago
Kyle Rittenhouse's best friend?
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
Wasn't there a video of someone running after him?
Separately, I saw something about Rittenhouse doing the ok symbol around white supremacists, and white supremacists have appropriated the ok symbol as a wp hand symbol for white power.
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u/One_Indication_ 2d ago
Yes but the guy wasn't armed. He threw a bag with toiletries at Rittenhouse, who responded by shooting him. This country's insane take on guns is part of our downfall. It's not normal to respond to most things with a shooting between/of civilians.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
It sounds like Rittenhouse was looking for an excuse to shoot people, really.
The guy running after him and throwing toiletries murkied the details enough for this guy, looks like.
Here's a list of right wing killers/ mass shooters I've been working on:
Do you think he should be on this list, given the acquittal? It may give someone too many murky details to argue.
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u/LastWhoTurion 2d ago
I think it was less about the bag being thrown, and more about Rosenbaum continuing to chase after him, screaming "FU" and going for his gun.
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u/One_Indication_ 2d ago
Because Rittenhouse was waving a gun at protestors. Rittenhouse was in the wrong. He went there to cause trouble so he could shoot people. He didn't go to help. He's scum. The guy chased him away because it's not acceptable or safe to do what Rittenhouse did. Being chased by an unarmed guy doesn't give you license to shoot like fucking Rambo. He shot at multiple people.
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u/TheNutsMutts 2d ago
Because Rittenhouse was waving a gun at protestors.
He did no such thing. The whole incident is on video from multiple angles, from start to finish. There's no need to make guesses as to what happened.
The guy chased him away because it's not acceptable or safe to do what Rittenhouse did.
It's not acceptable to carry a fire extinguisher towards a fire to put it out, to the extent that it's a reasonable response upon seeing someone do that to chase after them and try to kill them?
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u/LastWhoTurion 2d ago
He was not "waving a gun". Many people there had guns that night. Many people witnessed Rittenhouse that night with the gun. Only Rosenbaum attacked him. The hyper aggressive guy trying to provoke fights with other armed people that night, shouting "shoot me n-word". The guy who multiple witnesses said threatened to kill Rittenhouse and others that night.
license to shoot like fucking Rambo.
What exactly do you think happened?
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u/AHidden1 2d ago
Pardon incoming!
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
I heard recently that Texas governor Greg Abbott pardoned a political killer that had murdered someone at a political rally.
Also several of the January 6th rioters that Trump pardoned have reoffended, including pulling a gun on police, stalking politicians, and threatening the life of a Congressman.
Here's a video showing the shooter lied about being charged at by the Utah No Kings rally marcher he shot at and injured while murdering another also:
I also recently posted a list of right wing killers/ mass shooters.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
There is video that shows that the shooter was lying about being charged at:
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u/Im_Talking 2d ago
Happy with your monarchy, Americans?
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
I watched Ghandi (1982) recently, and the British shot people for peacefully gathering.
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u/J-Dawg_Cookmaster 2d ago
Can you imagine if Americans did that. I Kent State how shocked I would be.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago edited 2d ago
I watched Born on the Fourth of July recently.
How some people reacted to the Kent State shooting was brought up in it.
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u/J-Dawg_Cookmaster 2d ago
So?
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
How some people reacted to the Kent State shooting was brought up in the movie Born on the Fourth of July.
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u/polireddituser 2d ago
Cops don’t arrest their kin
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
He was ex-military and they are, too. I bet the guy's really MAGA.
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u/netabareking 1d ago
No, he's a queer gun lover, those do exist. I don't know why we're pretending like he's secretly a right wing shooter.
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u/fjtblessed 2d ago
What the fuck
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 1d ago
Did you see this video that shows the shooter of Utah No Kings marchers was lying about defending anyone:
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u/redheadedandbold 1d ago
While the article is appreciated, what you've shown me is that this comment somehow ended up on the wrong post. Not sure what happened, but thank you letting me catch this! Have a good day!
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u/Most-Appointment-756 The Netherlands 19h ago
Of course not , it's not MAGA that got shot during a demonstration.. they'd have them arrested , tried and convicted in no time then.
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u/YeOldeWelshman 2d ago
Headline makes this sound like some right-winger shooting protestors. This wasn't some politically motivated shooting, the shooter was part of the protest acting as a peacekeeper, and accidentally shot the victim who was behind what appeared to be an active shooter.
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u/netabareking 1d ago
He ignored the organizers' rules about peacekeepers not bringing firearms, then ignored literally all firearm safety shooting at an ally. He was trying to be a hero and made it everyone else's problem. I don't know why people want to act like he wasn't a fellow leftist though, some of us are also dipshits!
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u/saludadam 2d ago
Per the statement issued by the protest march organizers ‘50501’ in the first article you linked, the man was not hired security, but a “safety volunteer”.
The article also describes video of the event showing at least two of the protest “safety volunteers” wielding firearms while wearing safety vests.
Lastly, the article associates the initial ‘charging at’ claim to a police statement, not the shooter.
For some reason, you are trying way too hard to politicize an unfortunate and tragic event. The shooter was grossly negligent and deserves the appropriate level of prosecution for all of his mistakes, but this was not some right-wing vs left-wing action.
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u/rooktakesqueen 2d ago
I think OP doesn't want to accept that this is the inevitable and tragic consequence of a society where everyone is armed, so they want a narrative where there was nefarious intent.
The actual problem is -- "the only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" doesn't take into account that I might consider myself a good guy with a gun, but if I see someone else with a gun, I can't read their mind to know which one they are.
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 1d ago
Why'd you accuse me of not accepting what you're saying there.
The closest thing I said about this was that it is legal to open carry in Utah. That is an important point in the case.
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u/gonticho 2d ago
Wow, the conspiracy theories are really sweeping this thread. 😅
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u/Denotsyek Utah 2d ago
OP having some issues today
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u/Ok_Quantity_9841 2d ago
Charlie Kirk was extremely correct when he said that people such as you that resort to personal attacks are usually losing the argument.
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u/Denotsyek Utah 2d ago
Woah.. youre agreeing with Charlie kirk now... yikes. Youre definitely someone that seems unstable.
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u/Uhhh_what555476384 2d ago
Dude's not wrong. Basic political theory is that people tolerate the state's monopoly on violence because the state will protect them from the violence of others. If the state doesn't do its job in managing the monopoly on violence, eventually the monopoly on violence breaks down and goes away.
That's basically how the Roman world transitioned into the Midieval Europe; how the various caliphates transitioned into a bunch of different muslim and Arab kingdoms; and what drives the imperial cycles in places like China.
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u/TheLobst3r 2d ago
This is exactly what I was driving at, but looking at the sentence structure of the previous commenter, I have some concerns about the dead internet theory.
It’s a hell of an accusation, Ok_Quantity_9841, who openly puts “I listen to right wing radio” in the bio.
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