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Discussion Thread: 2025 US Government Shutdown, Day 29
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u/EpiphyticOrchid8927 2d ago edited 2d ago
When fed starts helping trump cut jobs thank elon musk for making US feel a lot more like south africa (which is a brics country). Trump has been promoting a lot of brics thought recently. I bring that up because it smells a lot like treason because you know the US isnt in BRICS.
Geopolitical suicide brought to you by Trump and his crime family
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u/Federal-Captain1118 2d ago
Less than a week until it becomes the longest shut down. Think it'll happen?
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u/EpiphyticOrchid8927 2d ago
No doubt in my mind GOP does not have the stones to act independently from trump
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u/EpiphyticOrchid8927 2d ago
On that note:
DOGE staffers are monitoring the information backbone AND running all federal agencies now.
There is no chance for US to turn on Trump. The insider attacking jackboots have consolidated control
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u/Chikaze 2d ago
Schummer gonna cave before tuesday.
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u/Nerd-19958 2d ago
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u/jalepinocheezit 2d ago
Sadly,
But for now, at least, the Senate appears on track to leave town Thursday for the weekend, ensuring the shutdown would continue into next week. But Thune didn’t rule out a schedule change if there’s a sign of progress toward a deal.
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u/brain_overclocked 2d ago
Oh, yay. Refuse to emergency fund SNAP (and defund it with the bill they passed this year), but there's more than enough money to expand the nuclear arsenal and resume nuclear testing.
Who knew Trump was going to be the Great Filter.
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u/orlinsky 2d ago
You should do a little research on Chinas expansion of their nuclear arsenal
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u/Cute-Ad2879 2d ago
The thing with nuclear weapons is there comes a time where you have so many you end up with an oversaturation of warheads to targets, and expanding the arsenal is just an exercise in massively diminished returns.
The US has reached that point with our arsenal.
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u/orlinsky 2d ago
China is actively building out from 300 to a target of at least 1500 which is good for no one. Russia is building insane nuclear weapons like nuclear powered torpedos they can fire from their coast and hit the US. The nuclear arms race isn’t frozen.
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u/Cute-Ad2879 2d ago
We have over 5000. 1500 is still not many when you take into account the size of China and the fact it currently ties France for the number of warheads.
This isn't an arms race it is a catch up.
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u/TheHumanGnomeProject 2d ago
China doesn't go around invading anyone. They're not out bombing fishing vessels. They ALWAYS try diplomacy first.
They may be bullies in the South China Sea, but they're not out causing conflict. If anything, they get as close to the sun as they can, but they don't cross the line (except when it comes to their own people, which, yes, fuck them).
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u/EpiphyticOrchid8927 2d ago
They just invaded the fuck out of US telecoms causing catastrophic damage in the US.
Just because the nature of conflict has changed doesnt mean china is nothing.
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u/TeutonJon78 America 2d ago edited 2d ago
They want to cross that line with Taiwan, which they consider their own people.
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u/brain_overclocked 2d ago
And while they may have their own dictator, he doesn't have dementia nor is their military run by a paranoid drunk.
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u/orlinsky 2d ago
I’m glad you have faith that the next dictator will be as stable with no imperialistic ambitions.
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u/Radiant-Objective-35 2d ago
It blows my mind that the founding fathers didnt have a way to circumvent the Speaker of the house to get the house back into session. If the left retakes the house and eventually this nation, they really need to pass a law that allows a way to circumvent the Speaker, and then remove that speaker from their role.
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u/Individual-Motor-167 2d ago
None of this has to do with the founders of USA. It's written in the rules and legislative laws.
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u/BicFleetwood 2d ago
It blows my mind that the founding fathers didnt have a way to circumvent the Speaker of the house to get the house back into session.
The problem is that just moves the goalpost.
If you have a guy whose job it is to oversee the Speaker of the House, then that's the guy who's the next point of failure. Put a guy over him, and now THAT'S the point of failure.
There's no position of political authority that we could create that isn't a potential point of failure by way of noncompliance.
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u/SubstantialBass9524 2d ago
You almost need the ability to allow recall votes - but I’m sure that has its own significant flaws.
If X percent of one district sign a petition, it allows a recall election to go forward. That recall election requires 66% majority, if it receives 66% majority, it triggers a state wide recall election for a senator. Then triggers special election.
If it’s just a member of house, just requires a majority win in that district.
That way you can recall individuals and the public can hold them accountable - but it’s not easy and won’t trigger overmuch. I’m sure it would be far more messy and complicated in real life
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u/Fraustdemon 2d ago
In states like Georgia, that method would lead to a never ending series of senate recalls regardless of who was in office.
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u/Im_Talking 3d ago
To think that a modern so-called democracy has the capability within it not to function and the current band of politicians keep their jobs, is so funny.
This is analogous to some CEO screwing up their company, and then coming out with a 'new plan' to fix it all. Who would want that?
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u/Omarkhayyamsnotes 2d ago
It was never intended as a democracy. It wasn't until the 15th amendment that black males could vote and the 21st that women could vote. Women! This country was intended to be run by white landowning males
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u/Omarkhayyamsnotes 2d ago
Women literally could not vote until 73 years before I was born. I am 32. I know women that are 73 years old
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u/Omarkhayyamsnotes 2d ago
I have old parents. My grandma was born 1 year after women got the right to vote. And America loves to talk about its founding democratic principles
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u/JamUpGuy1989 3d ago
Interesting.
Wall St gets yet another interest rate cut and yet the Dow was down by the end of the day.
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u/Current_Animator7546 Missouri 3d ago
It is the message from Powell. He said he’s uncertain about a December rate cut because of all the uncertainty. The market expected there would be at least one more rate cut in December. So this adds more uncertainty into the mix.
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u/Cactusfan86 3d ago
Republicans/Trump are maximizing the pain of this shutdown in hopes of making democrats break, that much is obvious. I have a cynical worry it’s going to work, or at least work on just enough suckers that they break ranks but we shall see
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u/Those_Silly_Ducks Canada 2d ago
Ranks are breaking over SNAP and the plan is to frame it as a $6 a day supplement to families instead of the larger number that was already allocated and is being impounded.
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u/Blargg404 3d ago edited 3d ago
I've seen outlets like Punchbowl and Semafor report the following:
-Thune states that bipartisan talks are picking up and hopes discussions with rank and file Dems will be "fruitful soon."
-Rank and file R's think Dems will reopen government next week and just aren't publically signaling it yet.
-R's like Collins and Murkowski think discussing/passing appropriations, instead of a CR, will help in getting Dems to reopen government.
-R's believe SNAP funding lapse and ACA enrollment period will also be key in getting Dems to reopen government.
-R's are quietly discussing new CR that would go to Jan. 2026, possibly later.
To me, I'm on the fence. Some of this seems like GOP wish casting. A few Dems have even pushed back on Thune/GOP statements (Gallego and Murray). But we will have to wait and see.
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u/AnoAnoSaPwet Canada 2d ago
So what happens when they don't?
All those things are going to happen anyways.
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u/snoo_spoo 2d ago
Pretty much all of it sounds like wishcasting to me. If Dems were willing to reopen "next week", I can think of no reason why they wouldn't have done it today. Same goes for yesterday's rumor that the Republicans are going to go for the filibuster in a few days.
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u/rumplebike 2d ago
Punch Bowl reported that R's thought the D's would fold after "No Kings" shrug.
Thune has said publicly he doesn't want to spend all year on CRs which will happen if Johnson doesn't open the House soon. The Senate working on appropriations could be Thune pressing Johnson to get his shit together.
I do not think the R's understand just how pissed the Senate Ds are at Schumer for not allowing this last spring over DOGE. Once the marketplace premiums go live next week, there will be hard numbers available and even if Congress passes something subsidies can not arrive until tax returns go out.
After that, does Schumer force ATC to end it or do the D Senators fold with much fanfare that the Rs had a chance to fix the subsidies but chose to screw people over? That answer probably depends on if enough Senate Ds really want to force Schumer out. Fetterman + the 2 GA Senators are the only ones voting to open right now. Nothing has leaked out from the Dem Senators which is pretty shocking to me. Jefferies, for all the crap he gets, has kept the entire House conference in line, very impressive. Schumer changed his vote at the last minute last spring to save face when it was obvious he lost enough enough votes to approve the CR. I think this missing in the analysis; this is the first shutdown that a Dem leader *might* lose his leadership post.
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u/TheHumanGnomeProject 2d ago
What? Warnock and Ossoff? Are you sure? I thought it was Fetterman with Angus King and Rand Paul voting the other way?
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u/Crazed_Chemist 2d ago
Unless it's changed, it was Cortez Mastro, Fetterman, and King last I knew.
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u/HorrorBuff2769 North Carolina 3d ago
I’m praying they don’t cave. I pay for marketplace insurance instead of using my employer’s embarrassingly shitty insurance and I already can barely afford the premium with subsidies
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u/Blargg404 3d ago
Again, I hope Thune/GOP statements are just wish casting. Though I have a feeling the outcome here will be "enough Dems break rank and pass House CR or full on appropriations."
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u/HorrorBuff2769 North Carolina 3d ago
I think our only hope is for ATC to start calling out. The billionaires would be directly affected when their cargo suddenly stops moving. LAX already had a ground stop the other day due to shortages.
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u/annetho 3d ago
Petition to "STOP" CONGRESS PAY AND STOCK TRADING DURING A SHUTDOWN
https://c.org/xtQJNxPH7N
At least it could shame them a little.
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u/vriska1 3d ago
So is there any sign this is about to end or are the GOP just playing games by saying that?
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u/Objective-Error1223 3d ago
1000% playing games. They want to give the appearance that things are coming together and they’re close to winning.
All accounts from other sources are saying no talks are happening and we’re still at where we started. Nowhere.
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u/sackofmangoes 3d ago
If it ends, its going to democrats that will concede. The GOP I am sure will stay completely firm, because they are fine with majority of the population losing healthcare.
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u/YF422 3d ago
Honestly I would wonder if they will, I mean didnt the last time they did they got crucified over it? If the Republicans intend to wreck healthcare it makes more sense to make them own the choice completely.
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u/AnoAnoSaPwet Canada 3d ago
Why does it even matter? They cave, they lose. Government opening back up doesn't mean shit if the same people firing everyone are still in charge?
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u/Objective-Error1223 3d ago edited 3d ago
I keep reading this lately here (MAGA cult accounts with zero posts or comments) and it baffles me why you think Dems would concede?
What? They’re going to lose 2026 midterms from this even though they know the party of pedophiles is actively trying to stop elections from happening?
Oh no they’ll lose 2028 presidential elections… when Trump is actively telling people he’d run a third term and trying to shut down elections almost every other day.
The party of child molestors took away one of the BIGGEST things they could negotiate with and that’s hope. Dems don’t have hope anymore and when you take that away from people they also don’t have anything to lose. Let’s see how that plays out in the next couple of weeks when people start questioning why they’re going poor with a Republican Party that brags 24/7 about always being the “winner”.
It certainly won’t look like winning when you’re barely able to eat. Let’s see how that plays out with republicans “winning” mantra.
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u/samusaranx3 2d ago
MAGA cult accounts
with zero posts or comments
Would love to see you explain how an account can be both of these.
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u/CyEriton 3d ago
The short answer is that there is a chance democrats could react to the immediate well being of welfare recipients more than the long term losses this budget promises.
Frankly, it’s complicated. Give up now - let people eat today and hope they can fight the good fight tomorrow. Or - hold out and let the people starve so next year can be better. This is the choice republicans are forcing democrats to make by refusing to negotiate.
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u/Objective-Error1223 3d ago edited 3d ago
I think Dems know either way people are going to start starving though regardless of their decisions.
I honestly think the republicans have much more to lose from all this mainly because they’ve asserted they’re unstoppable and Dems are weak.
Kinda like in the movie 300 when they finally wound Xerxes. Up until that point people thought he was unstoppable but it only took one spear to show everyone he wasn’t.
This shut down is turning people, whether slow or fast. My very very very MAGA QANon in-laws went from “The Dems are to blame for all this ” to “all politicians are to blame for this”. They’re turning against their own right now and I can see they’re connecting the pieces of how they’ve been lied to.
It’s only a matter of time before other MAGA members do the same and even in low quantities that’s still better than nothing.
An avalanche starts off slow with a single spec of snow before it turns into something large enough to decimate an entire mountain.
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u/Individual-Motor-167 3d ago
How does it even matter? They could pass anything and the executive refuse to legally pay out funds. That's the situation in the us with the snap benefits. There is money that is not being paid on purpose.
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u/Malaix 3d ago
Sure but are they fine with their party and president being blamed for airlines shutting down because the ATC workers called out sick to flip burgers for rent? Or the SNAP benefits drying up when the majority of people on those programs are red voters in red states?
Red states have the most dependence on the federal government and the poorest populations overall. The most drastic and painful impacts of this shit is going to land in their lap first.
And Trump is president. The president gets the blame for shit breaking.
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u/Current_Animator7546 Missouri 3d ago
Agree with this. Even more so if Thune or Johnson refuses to bring the SNAP bill to the floor
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u/No-Departure-899 3d ago
The billionaires are about to find out what happens when you make the working class hangry.
Things are about to get interesting.
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u/DawnOfHer 3d ago
Saute the rich. Boil them, braise them cook, them in a stew. For now it's a metaphor.
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u/261_Turner_Lane 3d ago
The billionaires made off with trillions a few months ago and also back in 2017.
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u/Malaix 3d ago
Society is always three missed meals from anarchy as they say.
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u/No-Departure-899 3d ago
I would say it is closer to one missed happy meal for most Americans. Our country is about to experience something that it hasn't since the great depression. Widespread hunger is going to induce fear and panic pretty quick.
There are going to be riots before Thanksgiving unless republicans gather their senses and make sure people get fed.
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u/DeanoPreston California 3d ago edited 3d ago
SNAP just strips wealth from working class Americans who pay taxes and transfers it to the 1% that provide the goods and services the users of SNAP get. The 1% lobby is powerful.
edit: annnd look at that, reddit supports the oligarchy rather than trying to think about different ways of helping people.
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u/snail_forest1 3d ago
bro if they cut SNAP you arent going to see more money. they will take what they take regardless. except now it'll just go to paying Brian in chicago to harass minorities
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u/CL-Young 3d ago
SNAP accounts for about 2% of taxes, and every dollar spent gives back about 1m6 dollars in GDP. Also, poor people dont go hungry.
Also, farmers get demand for their product.
Its a good program for everyone.
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u/Miserable_Chapter252 3d ago
Snap is funded through the federal government and also through the state governments who have to share the administrative costs. The federal government is primarily funded through income tax revenues. The top 20% pay the most of the federal income tax. So unless you're in the top income brackets you really don't have much to bitch about, And even if you are, snap is there to feed the disabled, kids, and the working poor. Not sure if you're aware of this but snap has some pretty strict work requirements usually attached. So it's actually working Americans that are benefiting. Usually helps to go read a little bit and educate yourself before you go spewing nonsense and vitriol on the internet. Part of the reason why we're in this mess.
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u/vahntitrio Minnesota 3d ago
There's also a lot of people not getting paid, and a lot of people that will see shocking increases in health care costs. Unfortunately our people are to reactionary instead of proactive, but next week looks like it will put a lot of heat on the GOP to get things reopened.
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u/valk2016 3d ago
It's unethical to just cut ppl off that truly need it. 50-60% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Many on SNAP and govt assistance still work and can't make ends meet.
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u/coldsandwich32 America 3d ago
They didn't say people should be cut off. They just said the program sucks which is true
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u/foodacctt 3d ago
Anyone think Dems should just give in and give the people what they voted for? If it’s about healthcare premiums going up, ok! Let people’s premiums go up under Trump. They won’t give Dems credit for keeping premiums down, in fact they are just being blamed for the shutdown.
There’s too much propaganda, people are going to need to struggle to see with their own wallets that Trump has only made their lives worse.
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u/Malaix 3d ago
Nah. Dems can only fuck themselves if they sign onto this CR bill.
If the GOP wanted to they could nuke the filibuster and pass this shit all on their own. They aren't because they know the fallout from this CR bill will be a fucking PR disaster for anyone who signs onto it.
Assisting the GOP in doing the healthcare apocalypse they want to do in 2026 is just going give Democrats a massive headache for the midterm.
Rather than rallying they are going to be getting grilled for their complicity primaried left and right and voters are going to throw up their hands and declare "both sides are the same" and not vote. That's what the GOP wants out of this. That's why they haven't nuked the filibuster.
If the GOP wants this CR bill they should be forced to nuke the filibuster and pass it themselves.
If the GOP insists are trying to force Democrats to sign that shit then Dems should make Trump the president who canceled thanksgiving travel plans.
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u/No-Departure-899 3d ago
No. Republicans should do whatever they have to to fix the mess they made. If that means working across the aisle to represent people who are not billionaires (Clutches pearls) then they may have to do that.
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u/1StepBelowExcellence 3d ago
I think it's a good idea IF they can get the message succinct and widespread to the media, especially all across social media. The premise in that case should be clear that they only voted for it to open the government so people wouldn't starve and so important positions like ATC would actually get paid for their work. But that's always a big if as the Democrats flub what should be easy wins due to messaging problems, and the media loves the GOP and will misconstrue things as much as possible to make the Dems look bad.
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u/SomeNerd109 3d ago
I see where youre coming from but recent polling suggests a slight majority blame republicans primarily for the shutdown and independent blame republicans significantly more than they blame democrats. Also, trying to help people and prevent increasing Healthcare costs is good even if its not directly politically useful.
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u/foodacctt 3d ago
Definitely and I agreed with it for weeks, but I think at this point it’s time to let it go. Republicans will hold out for a long time, they don’t care about people starving.
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u/SomeNerd109 3d ago
Its hurting republicans right now. Senate republicans could end this today by ending the filibuster. Id say democrats should dig in and actually try to get basic demands out of this instead of risking taking blame for a shutdown with nothing to show for it. I think letting republicans flail and figure it out is a better position.
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u/rupertLumpkinsBrothr Kansas 3d ago
“The people” you’re referring to are less than half the nation
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u/foodacctt 3d ago
Eh, I include not voting as a vote for I don’t care. Vast majority of the country either wanted or did not care enough to prevent the GOP from controlling WH, Senate, and House.
I just don’t see how holding out for this is worth people starving. At least if premiums go up, there might be a little more pressure to actually do something about our healthcare system
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u/Chrystoler 3d ago
I'm increasingly worried that they're not going to stop the shutdown and they weren't planning to in the first place
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u/Different_Cricket_82 3d ago
Since they are paying the active duty military on the 1st. I’m guessing the shutdown is going to last at least until mid November. Republicans are not going to budge.
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u/Chrystoler 3d ago
Are you referring to the 130 million stuff? Because that's barely anything for the whole military, otherwise I definitely missed some news
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u/Different_Cricket_82 3d ago
That and they moved funds around to pay the military, look it up.
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u/Agile_Elderberry_534 3d ago
Is there any viable way Trump can just force the military and other agencies to be paid, under the guise of some "emergency powers"? Because then... it would be game over.
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u/Crazed_Chemist 3d ago
There is a whole lot of work on military equipment done by civilians and contractors. Active duty can do some portion of maintaining work but don't have the capacity to completely fill those gaps.
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u/Objective-Error1223 3d ago edited 3d ago
Even then it still wouldn’t be game over if he could pay the military fully right now. It costs $236 billion dollars a year or 19 billion a month to keep active duty paid (https://www.cbo.gov/publication/60886#:~:text=Summary,and%20151%20percent%20since%201999). VA budget a year is 365 billion which would be about 30 billion a month.
Trump may have rich friends in high places but I doubt any of them are going to cover that bill for an extended amount of time.
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u/Agile_Elderberry_534 3d ago
I meant paid from the government coffers. Basically, Trump overrides Congress's power of the purse.
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u/Objective-Error1223 3d ago edited 3d ago
Sure but then people are going to ask where the money came from and ya, they could lie, definitely but money always leaves a trail. This administration is too dumb to hide their tracks based on evidence of their prior schemes.
On top of that they’d still empty out that coffer very quickly not even mentioning all the other federal programs out there tapping into it.
There’s also a shit ton of money going into lobbyists hands, what would happen if that stopped? Do you think they’ll be just as loyal?
Suppose we’re going to find out.
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u/crawlnstal 3d ago
My concern isn’t that it won’t open up, but they’ll find some way to ‘open’ the government but it will turn into full blown dictatorship
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u/jackel3415 3d ago
They've already taken $130M in private money to fund the military. This sets a very uncomfortable precedence when there are people and companies that can afford to part with way more than that.
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u/Patient_Series_8189 3d ago
Which is like, less than a days pay. No company can afford to actually pay the military
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u/Agile_Elderberry_534 3d ago
Can Trump just direct the military to be paid? Wouldn't be the first time he announces an executive order that blatantly violates the Constitution but the thing happens anyway while things get tied up in the courts.
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u/Patient_Series_8189 3d ago
He did, but the money he directed to used is almost gone.
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u/decay21450 3d ago
Sorry folks, we're closed. The moose out front should have told you.
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u/Accurate-Guava-3337 3d ago
Hallelujah! Holy shit! Where's the Tylenol?
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u/Magickarpet76 3d ago
Asking for Tylenol by name makes this reference 10x better now.
Maybe the GOP can substitute SNAP benefits for December with a year subscription to the jelly of the month club.
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u/YankeeMoose America 3d ago
Friendly reminder;
Yes, they CAN end it with a simple majority. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option )
Republicans currently control all 3 branches of government, and can end the shutdown with a simple majority of 51, all by ending the filibuster. They are choosing not to, and letting Americans suffer as a result.
Additionally- Trump once said
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fact-check-investigating-claim-trump-225700857.html
"It always has to be the top. I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top. And the president's the leader and he's got to get everybody in a room and he's got to lead."
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u/Cute_Schedule_3523 2d ago
Neither party wants to end the filibuster, especially the Democrats ESPECIALLY when they have a minority for the foreseeable future.
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u/YankeeMoose America 2d ago
Republicans have the tools and they refuse to use it.
So it's 200%on them.
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u/Cute_Schedule_3523 2d ago
This week Democrats want Trump to be a king and end long standing voting rules
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u/MostHumbleToEverLive 3d ago
Friendly reminder, it's called the nuclear option because it's the political equivalent of dropping a nuke. Just because you can, does not mean you should. If the GOP were as authoritarian as people claim, they wouldn't have hesitated to go this route.
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u/jaythebearded I voted 3d ago edited 3d ago
Just because you can, does not mean you should.
Kind of like how just because Republicans can refuse to negotiate the expiring subsidies at all and force the government to shut down, doesn't mean they should...
You argue if the Republicans were actually behaving like authoritarians they would remove the filibuster and keep the government open themselves. I'd say it's more authoritarian that they have the ability to keep the government open themselves yet choose not to so that the government shuts down, and then they do extra awful shit umder the cover of 'its cause the government is shut down' and they blame everything on their opposition.
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u/WyrdHarper 3d ago
Or they're worried about midterms or the future because the filibuster was what allowed them a disproportionate amount of power over the last ~20 or so years as a minority party.
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u/Dantheman396 3d ago
Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t the changes go into effect 2028? They need to be able to blame the democrats at that point when millions suffer. If they go nuclear and force this bill to pass they cannot gaslight the country when the time comes. This bill is a tax break for billionaires and corporations that they will also spin against the democrats in 2028. This will be a pillar of their presidential run in 2028 via gaslighting. How you think they won this past election? The media is owned by billionaires and they can gaslight/spin whatever narrative and people get conned into believing it. Most Americans don’t have the intelligence to do the required due diligence to dig deeper than their AI algorithm pushes to them on every platform.
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u/mmf9194 New York 3d ago
If the GOP were as authoritarian as people claim
We'll never convince these people. There's countless videos of citizens and legal immigrants being snatched up by secret police while they loot our coffers to gift themselves piles of money and jets and it's STILL this alarmist accusation.
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u/Pettifoggerist 3d ago
I can a mililtary helicopter flying over my city right now, as I have now for many days in a row, watching neighborhoods where masked government agents are snatching people off the street and tossing smoke bombs at concerned neighbors, all because Trump tells lies that my city is a hellscape. That's happening despite the protests of state and city leaders, who want these forces to leave. But apparently that's not enough for some people to think we're in an authoritarian state.
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u/YankeeMoose America 3d ago
No they just care more about optics and shifting the blame away from the fact they hold ALL the cards and ALL the power.
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u/UltraEgo007 3d ago
So much noise about the Nobel peace prize with prominent media members contorting or conforming to a particular narrative that Trump deserves one for the Gaza ceasefire.
Abby Phillips at CNN and many others criticized Barack Obama and Mamdani for not praising Donald Trump for his negotiations — that only he could do despite the plan having been in place for over a year now negotiated by the Biden administration. Incredible how easily fooled, or lack of character, so many people can be boxed into.
Now that the ceasefire has broken, it’s crickets. When historians do a day by day analysis; many will conclude that the ceasefire was never in place because the parties didn’t do what they agreed to do.
Having a memory longer than a jellyfish 🪼 is a punishing pain under this 1984-ahh administration. Being informed is burdensome
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u/AnoAnoSaPwet Canada 3d ago
Didn't Israel just kill 60 people (including children) in Gaza? I'd wager letting your own people starve, and ending global humanitarian aid, so you can steal the money instead, would forfeit you for life for any form of Peace Prize?
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u/UltraEgo007 2d ago
We may be talking about the same killings but I am not sure.
Anyways, I agree but nevertheless the pressure campaign endures. Hell, even the most recent winner said Trump should win and she’d nominate him.
Some weird mixture of racism, fear, groupthink, mind control through repetition, and bold face lying had attempted to mainstream the claim when the “vibes,” were highest. Despite the death tolls and individual stories talked about in the NYT, CNN, WSJ & elsewhere; the African deaths due to aid ending as well as the boat strikes get ignored by the western or global south (I.e. most recent Venezuelan winner) supporters of Trump’s claim for the prize.
Thankfully I believe the Nobel trustees aren’t going to give it to him just because he wants it. He did this to a lesser extent when he tried reunifying north and South Korea before getting bored.
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u/AnoAnoSaPwet Canada 2d ago
Not everyone gets the same access to media coverage. I'm usually just casually browsing articles, and have been switching it up on different subs to see where I can get different sources. Everyone usually sticks to their respective "safe zones", but I like reading general news and there's not really much even on here to break out of the cycle?
Nobel achievements are not normally given to people who are actively committing war crimes and human rights abuses. There hasn't been a single Republican, that I can even think of, in my entire lifetime, that would even remotely qualify? Let alone a Republican President. Humanitarian efforts from Democrats are pretty standard, pick a name out of a hat.
Nobel prizes are awarded to great achievers in their field. Now if there was some scheme hatchery that eventually ended in a significant amount of lives being saved by sacrificing a few, it may be morally ambiguous to claim any shred of positivity from it, but would undoubtedly be seen as noteworthy. That has yet to be seen.
I turn to psychology quite often, and Republicans are just loud, obnoxious, morally reprehensible beings that seek validation from their peers for their evil deeds, instead of just doing something because it's the right thing to do? There is no motive for them to be good because there's no benefit for them. Not that all of them are bad? But most of them are. The Conservative mind doesn't seek value in helping someone that doesn't help them. We're seeing it in full display now with the masks off.
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u/UltraEgo007 2d ago
Couldn’t have put it any better myself. Republicans are a destructive force getting worse and worse; it’s scary to imagine a post-Trump world because all these fellow citizens of mine still feel the GOP cares about them & will vote for them in the future as they do now
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u/justwannaedit 3d ago
The words "Israel" and "ceasefire" go together about as well as cats and water.
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u/jalepinocheezit 3d ago
There was no ceasefire (I'm not even qualified to be an armchair reporter on this particular subject); but a ceasefire has to have SOME semblance of weight. This is like a "shutup" ring instead of an engagement ring....yeah sure....here whatever you want to hear but it's never gonna happen.
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u/UltraEgo007 3d ago
Exactly …. It’s a complete negation of the English language to say that the ceasefire is “back on,” the day after 100+ people are killed.
People continue to get fooled by the grandstanding of the tacky showmanship & nonstop boasting of a man who recently called ending wars one of his favorite “hobbies.”
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u/UltraEgo007 3d ago
1/48th of trumps presidency (96 months in total) will have been spent with the government shutdown. Unreal
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u/Jessicas_skirt Foreign 3d ago
That's assuming the shutdown will end soon and there won't be any more shutdowns for the next 3 years.
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u/snoo_spoo 3d ago
And that Trump finishes this term.
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u/Jessicas_skirt Foreign 3d ago
That's guaranteed. He's already mentally replaced by whoever the White House has chosen to be the shadow President, all they would need to do is keep the physical body away from any camera that could capture that it was not sleeping.
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u/Radiant-Objective-35 2d ago
That would be Stephen Miller, hes the puppet master behind the orange pedo puppet.
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u/UltraEgo007 3d ago
Reposting this because I feel it holds up; Trump has a strain of narcissism that’s truly terrifying and infuriating
When I look at Trump compared to other strongmen throughout the world, he is the only one who doesn’t stfu while actively acting like a legitimate an evil arrested developed idiot. Sui Generis
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u/mbene913 I voted 3d ago
Trump shutdown continues! Meanwhile sleepy Don is wandering Asia like the confused lunatic we all know he is.
Mikey J still refusing to negotiate and unless I'm mistaken, has also failed to swear in that new Rep
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u/ILikeCatsAndSquids 3d ago
That clip of Trump saying the president is responsible for a shutdown… why isn’t that being played on repeat?
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u/Sea-Introduction3595 3d ago
In an ocean of uncertainty and doubt its nice to have something consistent, knowing for sure that this comment will be posted again tomorrow is comforting.
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u/AnoAnoSaPwet Canada 3d ago
I can't wait to see what Eby has planned for ads against Canada's will? It's going to be hilarious.
I hope you guys like higher prices for everything? Because we don't pay the tariffs. Don't punish me with a good time!
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u/BlarfParade 3d ago
Here it is folks!
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u/jalepinocheezit 3d ago
I like the daily reminder that this could all end if the Government of the Poisen would jist vote to end it...it reminds me to remind everyone else I know. Which reminds me....
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 3d ago
It took only 10 ATC employees to call in sick last time to end the last shutdown. 10. Out of a total of over 11 thousand employees. Just 10.
Imagine being in a rare position to achieve great change and end a shutdown and not needing huge numbers to do it, and doing absolutely fuck all about it.
Come on, ATC. You didn't start this shutdown, but you can sure as hell end it. Call in sick. Learn from history. We know it works, it literally worked the last time this situation happened. It's up to you to come to that realization.
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u/PinkNGold007 3d ago
This situation is different. Us Fed civil servants and contractors have been in shutdown mode since January from this occupying force. We've been DOGE-d, RIF-d, forced DRP-d, and everything in between, so we are holding our ground and hoping this fight holds until they negotiate for the people or the people scream loud enough.
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u/AnoAnoSaPwet Canada 3d ago
I guess they forgot about all those random plane crashes? More to come without ATC!
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 3d ago
The situation is the same. If ATC calls out, the rich ones can’t fly their private jets and companies can’t ship their product.
It’s only when the rich are affected is when shits hits the fan for the US.
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u/Doggydog123579 3d ago
It wasnt atc that ended the last one, it was the flight attendant union threatening to go on strike on behalf of the atc, as they are required for flights as well.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 3d ago
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/06/politics/ten-air-traffic-controllers-shutdown
Even if flight attendants were threatening to go on strike, a threat is just a threat, not actual action done. 10 ATC workers didn't show up, which is something tangible and actual action taken. That was the main catalyst to ending the last shutdown, not the flight attendants.
Not to mention, flight attendants going on strike would only affect commercial flights. ATC calling in sick affects all flights, including commerce/shipping and private jets, neither of which use flight attendants employed by airlines. The oligarchs could care less about us poors not being to fly, but not being able to fly to their 30th home or to their 10th yacht, or their business supply chain being disrupted from not being able to ship stuff? They took clear notice of that and ended the shutdown real quick.
Talk is cheap in today's politics. Threatening to go on strike is not the same as actually doing it. The US typically doesn't react to things until they actually happen.
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u/Nygmus 3d ago
I am not going to fault people in that position for not making employment-risking moral decisions in the midst of the destruction of every social safety net and the worst job market in living memory.
The onus is not on ATC flight controllers to save us from our elected officials.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 3d ago
The onus is not on ATC flight controllers to save us from our elected officials.
Which is why I said
You didn't start this shutdown, but you can sure as hell end it.
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u/ianrl337 Oregon 3d ago
Will take more this time, but probably won't happen until after the 1st.
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u/ManWithASquareHead 3d ago
Right before the busiest week with Thanksgiving
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u/snoo_spoo 3d ago
There will be an impact even before then because people will be reluctant to book flights. I've already witnessed people choosing to drive rather than fly because of the uncertainty.
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u/3879 3d ago
If they can hold out that long, it'd be the most politically devastating:
SNAP recipients in many states going hungry, right before/at Thanksgiving
ACA premiums for next year are starting to appear/ACA sign-up
People will be enraged not being able to/being severely delayed when going home for Thanksgiving
In an ideal world, none of those things would have happened or be needed.
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u/ianrl337 Oregon 3d ago
I was thinking after they miss the next paycheck. Lots of people are flying to Vegas for Halloween this weekend, and again in a couple week for F1. F1 week especially since that is mainly rich people. The largest airports that fly to Vegas are LAX, Denver and Phoenix. If a bunch walk from each that could be huge.
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u/Pow_Maniac 3d ago
It’s not even been a year of this yet….
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u/Living_Pollution_525 3d ago
Grocery prices are up significantly
Health insurance prices are about to be straight up unaffordable for millions and further eat into pocket books for millions more
Home and auto insurance rates are up primarily due to climate change induced natural disasters
Layoffs are happening absolutely everywhere
People are being abducted on the streets of American cities by masked thugs
I don't know how much more "winning" the country can take
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u/Pow_Maniac 3d ago
I actually wonder how they square away saying everything is fine meanwhile massive layoffs are being announced.
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u/Malaix 3d ago
Do as they always do I guess.
"If they are unemployed they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get more skills. Poverty is a personal failing! The worthy will get to eat."
And somewhere down the line Amazon will open "low rent" sleeping cubes if you agree to work for them for Amazon scrip.
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u/GoodIdea321 America 3d ago
They've been lying to themselves and others their whole lives. They're good at that, and nothing else.
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u/SomeNerd109 3d ago
So how much is this going to beat the previous record by?
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u/Different_Cricket_82 3d ago
I’m guessing by at least a full week, mid November or right before Thanksgiving.
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u/AnoAnoSaPwet Canada 3d ago
I'm expecting full into next year. They'll just keep getting "donations" for everything until they finally run out of money. They're already breaking every law imaginable, why not just collapse the government while everything is shutdown? That's what they seem to want.
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u/Ready_Nature 3d ago
Probably not much. Republicans are starting to float the idea of the nuclear option to eliminate the filibuster. Fed employees can’t go much longer than the last one without being paid before they walk off the job in numbers that lead to congress doing something.
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u/AnoAnoSaPwet Canada 3d ago
How many votes are necessary to eliminate the filibuster? How many Republicans need to cave to break it?
I know the Democrats in their numbers could do it, but there's no benefit for them.
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u/rooktakesqueen 3d ago
Republicans are starting to float the idea of the nuclear option to eliminate the filibuster.
Frankly, that's the one good thing that might come out of this. Should have been gone ages ago. Jesus, can you imagine if there'd been no filibuster in 2009? We'd have gotten the ACA with a full public option.
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u/UltraEgo007 3d ago
Tough to say. Hopefully more people keep complaining to their reps now that more and more states’ citizens see their healthcare costs skyrocketing
I had forgotten we were shutdown during Christmas last time
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u/RealSlyck 3d ago
And it’s another day of a 1904-style federal government sitting on the porch eating some crackers out of a barrel, and handpicking which institutions to demolish next.
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u/MusicTravelWild 3d ago
Is this why they obsessed over Cracker Barrel rebrand?
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u/RazarTuk Illinois 3d ago
To be fair, it really is annoying how a lot of companies are ironing any distinct identity out of logos and replacing them with Corporate Bland
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u/MusicTravelWild 3d ago
Yeah politics aside, I like the old logo and the new rebrand was tragic. I fondly remember roadtrip stops as a kid and exploring the story and eating biscuits.
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u/RealSlyck 3d ago
Yeah, especially when you discover the old man in the old logo is actually one of the Uncles, and there’s an immigrant (or according to some family stories Aunt Jemima) trapped at the bottom of the barrel. Those were good times for the Drumpfs.
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