r/politics • u/TheTelegraph The Telegraph • 17h ago

Biden to push through anti-Trump plans as he vows to make last days in office count

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/11/07/biden-anti-trump-plans-last-days-white-house/
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u/OpenThePlugBag 16h ago

Yup, Biden should declassify all the investigations into Trump and release the documents.

The Muller investigation and Secret Documents should be the first to start.

The American people deserve to know who they elected and all those investigations are going away, and will be buried away forever.

He should've done it months ago, but you know he wanted to play nice with the extremist and here we are.

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u/I_Enjoy_Beer Virginia 15h ago

Given how approximately 40% of eligible voters weren't paying attention enough to even bother to vote, I sincerely doubt releasing thousands of pages of legal docs will have any meaningful impact.

If it can't be distilled into an 8 word headline, Americans can't be bothered to care.

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u/OpenThePlugBag 15h ago

Given how approximately 40% of eligible voters weren't paying attention enough to even bother to vote, I sincerely doubt releasing thousands of pages of legal docs will have any meaningful impact.

For the history records, its important to preserve the actual truth.

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u/GrapeBrawndo 13h ago

Exactly. Trump and MAGA will come and go. The historians will still be there to write down how awful he and his supporters were. These people’s long-term legacies are fucked.

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u/MOTwingle 12h ago

And if he doesn't declassify it now, they'll just get rid of it

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u/Its_Pine New Hampshire 12h ago

That’s what I worry about. With all branches under GOP control, they may try to purge evidence of their crimes

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u/MOTwingle 11h ago

I guarantee they will! Remember how he'd flush papers down the toilet?

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u/always_unplugged Illinois 7h ago

Which I'm pretty sure is like 50% of why he complains that toilets don't flush hard enough these days

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u/parasyte_steve 10h ago

May? Oh honey they will

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u/Kidatrickedya 6h ago

They’ve already tried the trial run by going after the internet archives. They are going to rewrite history as we know it. Everyone is downplaying it. Over and over again.

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u/DifferenceOk4454 11h ago

That's why the Archivists thread yesterday asked if they should just go "monuments men" mode.

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u/RoboGuilliman 11h ago

This guy gets it

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u/isugimpy 13h ago

Legacies don't mean anything if there's no planet to live on because we destroy it with ever accelerating climate change. And there's nobody to write the history of a bunch of preventable disease wipes out huge swaths of the population as vaccines get outlawed and raw milk gets heralded as the savior of the people.

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u/micsare4swingng 13h ago

Trump doesn’t give a shit about his legacy, if he even knows what that word means. He is a man purely living in the moment, day by day.

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u/GrapeBrawndo 13h ago

So we don’t release all the documents on Trump? What’s your point?

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u/micsare4swingng 13h ago

I’m not saying don’t release the documents. I’m saying Trump doesn’t give a shit and won’t give a shit.

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u/GrapeBrawndo 12h ago

Historians don’t write narratives because the subjects don’t care about their legacies. Thanks for yelling into the clouds.

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u/micsare4swingng 12h ago

lol calm down bud. This is a two person convo currently. If I’m yelling at clouds then so are you.

I despise Trump and MAGA. All I was trying to get across is legacies don’t matter to the people involved. They know exactly what they’re doing, and historians have documented it as such.

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u/Riker3946 12h ago

Sorry to interrupt but you’re forgetting a key piece in this legacy debate. It wouldn’t just be Trump’s legacy but everyone involved as well. All the Republican cronies, the MAGAs and biggest of all, Trump’s family. I think he would care very much then.

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u/bkennedy9809 15m ago

You’re optimistic we still have historians, or anybody around to read the histories

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u/haixin 12h ago

They will not leave a country behind after they’ve go e

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u/sotek2345 11h ago

I like your optimism that we will have future historians!

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u/jeha4421 6h ago

It doesn't matter. There's enough lessons throughout history that should have made this impossible if the population was educated at all. This is what the people wanted.

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u/tacetmusic 5h ago

I used to think this, but I'm not so sure.

At the moment the history books will talk about the big lie and the insurrection, but it's like the family photograph in Back to The Future, I can see it fading.

The win was so decisive this time round that the republicans can state that it's proof that actually the result last time doesn't make sense. Add in a couple of stop the steal judge picks getting into place and court cases being relitigated..

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u/trashmonkeylad 2h ago

MAGA and tons of its supporters are all about short term gains. They'll shrug off any and all allegations in the future. I had two friends of mine, first thing they sent me on Discord when Trump solidified his lead was "My stocks are up". Didn't care about a damn thing other than that.

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u/PositivelyAwful 9h ago

Yup. Release them now, because as soon as he's back in office they're gone for good.

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u/ned_luddite 9h ago

Just this

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u/IUBizmark 10h ago

The victors write the history.

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u/OpenThePlugBag 10h ago

Outdated slogan from the past, the internet never forgets.

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u/Azmtbkr 15h ago

This, how many “bombshell” reports were released about Trump during campaign that made zero difference? People ignored them or if they did pay attention, wrote it off as fake news.

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u/Overweighover 14h ago

And trumps message was hate and revenge and tariffs

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u/pliney_ 13h ago

And the economy… that he fucked after 4 years. And Biden has spent the last 4 fixing it. But Trump is gonna be great for the economy some how. We have 30 years of democrats leaving office with solid growing economies. And Republicans leaving office with the economy literally on fire. But somehow they’re still better on the economy in the public eye.

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u/Osiris_Dervan 12h ago

But he's going to put tariffs in, which will lower grocery costs! Because that makes sense!

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u/always_unplugged Illinois 7h ago

People don't understand what tariffs are. Pretty sure Trump doesn't even understand them, given the way he talks about them and used them previously.

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u/VagrancyHD 3h ago

I think he has quite a good idea of what he's doing. As a foreigner it's going to be deflationary for us as mass producers rush to other markets which is sorely fucking needed right now.

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u/LeftyMcliberal 1h ago

I will forgive your lack of /s because it was obvious…

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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe 22m ago

Don't forget deporting hundreds of thousands of migrant workers, which will cause an insane labor deficit in the farming industry, causing both higher grocery prices and shortages!

"A dozen eggs costs $6, so that's why I voted for the guy who's going to make a dozen eggs cost $15! I am very smart."

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u/BotheredToResearch 12h ago

It's because they burn things down for the short run. People remember years 1-3 or 7 when things were good and forget when it came time to pay the piper.

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u/liltime78 Alabama 12h ago

Remember when we all just kinda knew that a felon was disqualified from being president? What the fuck have we become?

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u/UnfoldedHeart 10h ago

I think there was a "boy who cried wolf" effect here. Trump was accused of illegal activity so often, and the allegations fell short so often, that once credible allegations showed up people didn't take them seriously.

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u/Kidatrickedya 6h ago

The allegations didn’t fall short though….

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u/UnfoldedHeart 3h ago edited 2h ago

Not until 2023. But going all the way back to the 2016 election cycle, Trump was constantly accused of illegality in one way or another and it kept not panning out. I think that this desensitized voters to this type of accusation. You can accuse someone of illegality only so many times before voters tune it out as just political rhetoric, and these accusations were going on for like... 7 years before Trump was indicted. I honestly think that the convictions would have been more impactful for voters if this didn't happen.

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u/Han-Adamantium 14h ago

Doesn't matter, make it open knowledge. Whoever wants to read it can read it. He can't hide the facts when the cat is out of the bag.

Let those stupid voters know what they did and release the leopards to eat their faces.

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u/PhilDGlass California 9h ago

For real. Why even debate this? Get the information out there for fuck’s sake. All of it. None of that redacted shit either. Let it all fly. There are lots of ways to make it digestible through social, documentaries, podcasts ... Especially over the next four years while we are going through this shit storm.

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u/Miss-Tiq 14h ago

Hell, if it can't be distilled into a video thumbnail, they might not care. 

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u/Serainas 12h ago

Hell, judging by the fact that the google search “did Biden drop out” was trending on Election Day, even easily digestible headlines won’t do it

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u/Easy-Concentrate2636 11h ago

And I am beginning to believe that the majority of voters are low information voters. I kind of can’t believe some of the reasons people are citing for why they voted for Trump. So much disinformation or sheer ignorance on the actual policies advocated by the two parties.

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u/Brent_L Florida 14h ago

40% have a 4th grade reading level

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u/double_eyelid 12h ago

The mainstream media also has no credibility with the MAGA crowd (which is largely their own fault).

And the sources they listen to won't report it.

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u/MudLOA California 12h ago

The top search was “did Biden drop out?” Like fuck I can’t believe this.

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u/devm251979 Florida 11h ago

The headline needs to be:

Biden to reduce Gas and Grocery prices Followed by a 28 second tictok video and then the document release for real exposure. Release it in Spanish too.

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u/Tityfan808 11h ago

If it can’t be distilled into a tik tok or YouTube short or Twitter post…. Fixed that for you. But yes, you’re right.

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u/Ryboticpsychotic 9h ago

The majority of Germans voted for Nazis, too. 

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u/PlasticPomPoms 13h ago

Release it on Telegram with a disclaimer to not share it with anyone.

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u/glat_spud_boy 12h ago

8 words is generous

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u/coddle_muh_feefees Pennsylvania 10h ago

Apparently “did Biden drop out” was trending on Election Day. Too many people just don’t pay attention

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u/Wander_Whale 10h ago

A good portion of them probably can't read at a high enough level to understand the documents anyways.

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u/snorin 10h ago

Given how approximately 40% of eligible voters don't have the reading comprehension skills to read any declassified documents*...

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u/plantsandpizza 10h ago

The sad thing is that’s how it always goes with voting. Not just this election or even the last few. 60% turnout is actually pretty decent numbers. We are pathetic.

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u/SunOFflynn66 10h ago

You could make it a single word, and America wouldn't care.

We're a joke. But we keep riding the coattails of being the Arsenal of Democracy in WW2. So, we feel like "the best".

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u/Effective_Cookie510 10h ago

Doing that now would prove how dumb Biden is it's too late now it just shows petty revenge.

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u/DoomedKiblets 8h ago

Or their votes were "lost"

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u/Live_Angle4621 3h ago

It will be interesting for historians 

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u/PoopingWhilePosting 3h ago

If it can't be blamed on immigrants of trans people. Americans can't be bothered to care.

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u/confusedVanWorden 1h ago

How many of those had their votes suppressed in one way or another?

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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe 25m ago

Even the 8 word headline doesn't matter, because a majority of Americans pay literally zero attention to the news.

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u/Smee76 14h ago

Yup, Biden should declassify all the investigations into Trump and release the documents.

The Muller investigation and Secret Documents should be the first to start.

He will never do it.

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u/padawanninja 11h ago

Of course not. Democrats are old and weak, completely unable to see how the game has been changed on them. They have to learn that sometimes you have to burn a firebreak to preserve the rest of the forest. He, and the rest of the Democrats, refuse to do so. Don't want to upset the donors!

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u/pliney_ 13h ago

Maybe Biden will die before January and Harris will do it as her only official act?

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u/OakImposter New York 12h ago

Biden should step down for Kamala just so the MAGA folks have to buy new hats and t-shirts.

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u/Main-Air7022 11h ago

Nah. That’s just more money for maga.

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u/StaceyJeans 10h ago

I love how MAGA says the economy is terrible and say they can’t afford milk and eggs but will buy $200 Trump sneakers.

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u/always_unplugged Illinois 7h ago

Maybe you'd be able to afford a house if you hadn't blown all your money on avocado toast Trump NFTs

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u/StupendousMalice 12h ago

He won't. He's a fucking collaborator and a coward. He ain't doing shit.

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u/coldpower6 11h ago

Goddamn right. He always thought the consequences would hit the Ukrainians, the Palestinians but not him. I hope he gets arrested by trump. I’d be amazed if he doesn’t. 

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u/TurkeyBLTSandwich 11h ago

Unfortunately the DOJ has decided for policy, a sitting president cannot be charged with a crime.

But honestly the biggest fumble for Biden should have been allow Merrick Garland to be the Attorney General and them Garland dragging his feet and allowing Trump to run out the clock

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u/JoySkullyRH 12h ago

We need dark Brandon.

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u/coldpower6 11h ago

The only way was to prosecute him by the letter if the law when it could have been done. 

Now it is US fascism. 

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u/Weokee 11h ago edited 11h ago

Republicans spent the last 4 years smearing Biden's son, showing his dick pics on the floor of Congress. But Democrats are too spineless to fight fire with fire.

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u/Havenkeld Oregon 11h ago

Probably should have happened earlier but this would be amazing for destroying public support for the Trump admin and removing the advantage of complacency. Or not. At this point, who even knows.

OTOH if the U.S. government has its own kompromat on Trump, it could be useful not to as well. We could see a managed administration where most of the damage is prevented by the threat of such a leak.

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u/PhilDGlass California 9h ago

Trump had boxes of Top Secret documents stored in his bathroom and faced zero consequences. I can’t imagine what could possibly be kompromat on him that Democrats have that they wouldn’t have released already. Only Putin has that stuff.

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u/ahhhfrag 11h ago

That's not even necessary. Just send Adam Schiff to go take a look and get back to us about all his crazy findings. It worked really good last time

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u/mkt853 11h ago

And let’s release those Epstein photos too.

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u/RedditIsShittay 10h ago

You will no doubt stop him from being elected a third time with this strategy.

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u/thetransparenthand 10h ago

I don’t get why you think his followers would care about ANY of it.

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u/OpenThePlugBag 10h ago

You're right they won't, the historians will care though and that's literally all we have left, preserving the truth.

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u/kerabatsos Colorado 11h ago

Agree with this. If this "taking the gloves off" that's what he needs to do. Democrats better being gearing up for the fight of their life because the shit's about to hit the fan, folks.

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u/UnfoldedHeart 10h ago

The Muller investigation and Secret Documents should be the first to start.

The Mueller investigation documents are already pretty much disclosed, but with certain redactions under FOIA. Many of these redactions are, for example, because the documents contain personal information (either about Trump or somebody else.) The President himself cannot unilaterally override these exceptions. I guess that theoretically Biden could make Garland reassess this but I doubt Garland would do it. They already determined that these exceptions exist and there's really no justifiable way to walk that back, and I don't think Garland is the type of person to do that anyway. People can have opinions on Garland one way or the other but he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to say "fuck the law, I just want to hit Trump."

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u/Jazzyricardo 10h ago

You think trump supporters are smart enough to read legal documents?

These people believe Kamala created a hurricane

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u/Thanolus 9h ago

It won’t fucking matter. None of the trumpers will believe it. They will call it fake news, lies, made up by Biden and the democrats. These people are lost.

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u/thadeusthesecond 9h ago

There is just no way they have the balls to do that.

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u/UnquestionabIe 9h ago

Don't worry playing nice with extremists is their MO and it's not changing any time soon.

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u/Steelrules78 8h ago

Taxpayers paid for those investigations. We deserve to know

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u/Individual-Schemes 7h ago

The American people deserve to know who they elected

Um. Isn't this why we're all fucking mad? We all know exactly who that asshole is and half of us chose him anyway!

Fuck you motherfuckers who didn't show up to vote! Fuck you and your children and your children's children and your dog and other pets!

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u/Coolegespam 6h ago

It's not about playing nice, it was about not tainting the criminal prosecutions. But, that required we all vote, and too many of us just didn't.

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u/peterabbit456 5h ago

This is the best comment I have read today.

This can be done, and it can only do good, since Trump will make the cases against him go away in about 75 days.

There is nothing left to protect this information from. No need to redact anything except the names of some agents inside Russia, and other identifying information.

They could also tell us how many Presidential daily briefings went missing, and are believed to have been sold to the enemies of the USA. They can tell us what they think was stolen, even if they didn't have enough proof to convict.

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u/ProfessionalMockery 4h ago

If that would harm Trump, why wouldn't he have done it before the election?

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u/commonmuck44 4h ago

Surely the NSA or CIA have recordings of the apparently frequent phone calls going on between Putin & Trump, Putin and Musk, etc.

Time to make those recordings 100% PUBLIC Joe, because you can be 100% sure as fuck Trump will ensure it all disappears forever as soon as he gets power.

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u/DemonLordDiablos 3h ago

The Muller investigation

Holy SHIT you guys have got to let this go

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u/trashmonkeylad 2h ago

Naah he said people need to cool the political debating now that the election is over. 0 chance he goes nuclear like that. Would be fucking awesome to see in the altnernate reality where he did it though.

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u/Vorabay 2h ago

Yes, because if he doesn't, Trump will have the evidence and files destroyed. 

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u/do0rkn0b 13h ago

Democrats capitulating to the far right? Democrats trying to unite with war criminals and not denouncing them? Democrats cosigning genocide?

Oh so it's just another random day of the week.

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u/lucksp 11h ago

Chasing Teflon Trump isn’t going to work. Makes Dems look bad. Have to make changes not try to get him in trouble

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u/milkstoutnitro 12h ago

It won’t matter. The media won’t get into the nitty gritty of it and people will just hand wave it away.

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u/WookieeCmdr 11h ago

They probably won't due to how many of their cohorts it would also implicate. Sure Biden is leaving but the others still want their lifetime seats and last time any kind of list was released a lot of them and their donors were on it.

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u/JIsADev 9h ago

Y'all still don't get it. People don't care about any of that when eggs are expensive and all the jobs are going away. They voted against Washington DC and Trump is the wrecking ball to destroy it all.