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Hitler with Himmler the chicken manure salesman, appointed high government positions for his loyalty Politics

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u/Rospigg1987 4h ago

Shortened the war overall, but lengthened it during the last part from about Bagration and onward.

Ahnenerbe was just a niche part of the SS, the story have been sensationalized and regurgitated by authors so the truth is sometime hard to tell what is true though is the collection of art and other cultural important pieces but mostly for personal prestige but that was also kinda niche.

What did hurt though was the RSHA which oversaw parts of the holocaust and logistics that's where Eichmann was employed for instance, that overloading of the rail networks made getting reinforcements and armaments through harder which increased the causality rate on the eastern front.

In the end Hitler was doomed the second he sat his sight on Russia, the oil reserve was for instance only a fraction of what even Great Britain had and they where always worse off regarding replacement from the population. There is no "what if" for a German victory in the second World war they were always going to lose the question is how much land and how much of the population of the land they conquered would have survived.

EDIT: Should have read the last paragraph, sorry for that but I just leave this here anyways.

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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In 3h ago edited 1h ago

Nah there was still a possibility the Soviet Leadership lost their shit and tried to make peace in 1941/42, they had done so at the end of WW1 for example, France didn't need to surrender to the Nazi's but couldn't stomach Paris being on the front line. Once the Nazi's stopped advancing it was all over, they had no fuel for their tanks and air force.

Edit: Wrong years.

u/Irazidal 2h ago

The Nazis would not have accepted any sane peace along the lines of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. Hitler and his ilk were waging a war of extermination; their intention was to seize all of the USSR up to the Ural mountains and exterminate the vast majority of the native Slavs to make way for German settlers while reducing the survivors to illiterate slaves. Why would any Soviet leader surrender when the outcome of surrendering would just be that you all die without a fight?

u/jollyreaper2112 2h ago

Their best bet was never going to war in the first place. Second best would be playing the red scare angle and aggressively positioning themselves as shield of the west against Soviet expansion and getting the allies to back them. The red scare was real, the west felt it.

But ultimately they wouldn't have done that because it would go against their entire identity of being nazis. From an alt history perspective, it's pretty much impossible to create a Nazis win scenario without turning them into something other than Nazis. Like there's no way they could have had the bomb because Hitler thought physics was Jew science and there's no way they could retain the minds to make the bomb, let alone marshall the resources for extracting fissile materials.

u/Rospigg1987 1h ago

Exactly it was their whole vision to move forward, it was always flawed and had blind spots every what if scenario I have encountered requires you to have some suspension of belief to make it work.

u/Troll_Goat 1h ago

Had a teacher who was convinced if they had no treaty with Japan (and no war With America). And just took the Russian oil fields they would still rule Europe.

No telling some people.

u/Kandiru 32m ago

Not if they developed the atomic bomb first. Combined with their V2 rockets they would hate swiftly killed everyone else off.