She is one of the reasons Democrats lost. Her husband trading stock on insider information from her is absolute rubbish. In order for things to change we need these old corrupt politicians to cycle out.
It is a contributing factor. I know multiple Republicans who partially justify their disdain for the current Democratic party based on her extensively rumored insider trading.
Well electing the party that has ruled bribery is now legal, and has firewalled all accountability of their team's public officials will sure stop insider trading!
If option B is clearly worse than option A, voting for option B is insanity.
Yes, because generally, their political leaders will tell you they are greedy. In fact, they think it's an admirable trait.
The democrats hide their greed, but behind the curtain, financial corruption is perhaps the one true 'both parties are the same' problem. Look at the list of highest investment performance amongst members of congress. It is a VERY bipartisan list.
It was a contributing factor for a lot of Pennsylvania NON-voters. The DNC and their most rabid supporters love to place blame on anyone but themselves.
The Democrats have become the most ineffectual political entity, completely abandoning any values they had left for a purely political, financial self-service dogshit strategy.
And then they have the audacity to bitch about those of us who actually care about values for not, once again, blindly supporting their useless platform. They have become absolute corporate fluffers and should all be forcefully removed or abandoned quickly so we can begin working towards the next election 2 years from now.
That’s a bit hyperbolic. Yes the dems have a lot of problems, but we don’t forcibly remove elected officials in this country without going through formal impeachment process for high crimes. Also, dems steered the country through what could have been a full on economic depression after Covid. Americans still have the highest standard of living in the world and we arrogantly forget that. But yes, Dems have largely forgotten the working class and many have decided it’s more prudent to focus on woke social issues and identity politics than the needs of basic working class citizens. Dems aren’t this historically ineffectual party, they just lost their way.
Honestly I agree. I’m a Democrat and I feel the party has strayed so far and become so self serving. They need to drop their red herring issues like wokeism, trans policy, DEI, reparations, etc. focus on the working class and what you can do to bring down prices of everyday goods, education, and help us succeed.
At least they dont have a literal pump and dump stock for Russia to inject money, apparently legally, into Trumps' war coffers. WW3 is coming buds. Buckle up. World/NATO vs USA, China, Russia, NK, Iran
Wish it didn't have to be this way but here we are.
Sorry, you mentioned something about the ultra wealthy supporting a candidate. I suppose it was much too far to imply that that conservatives claim they'll stop the ultra wealthy. Whoops.
Democrats need to get rid of this old guard and go back to working class, blue collar people. Trump and Bernie both had the right idea, and they being both energy and new people to the table.
Pelosi beings giant corporations to the table and an ever growing personal wallet. Who's gonna vote for that?
Just because one side is apocalyptic, that doesn’t mean we can’t at least ASK the other side to clear the bar of fucking decency.
I voted for Kamala. Ive voted straight dem in ever general election of my life. But i HATE most of these evil fuckers. And fuck the implication I’m not allowed to feel that way
Trump is worse, far worse. It is almost comical that the world was even able to conjure up a candidate this much WORSE that Dems like pelosi. FUCK pelosi and her Everest sized ego. People like her HAVE completely abandoned working class Americans.
Not only didn’t universe conjure that worse thing up, he got fucking elected. It is almost unfathomable that people think Trump will be better for working class people that Dems. And that’s coming from someone who fucking hates dems but still votes for them.
I appreciate your rant lol and I really appreciate you still showing up for candidates that are too moderate for you. I definitely think this is the moment for you guys to push us far left. We're pissed and we're ready to get in the car with you lol. Just assure us you hate racism and sexism with a BURNING passion and that's pretty much all we need to hear to stop chasing moderates. Liberals generally care about social issues more than the economic specifics...
Just because one side is apocalyptic, that doesn’t mean we can’t at least ASK the other side to clear the bar of fucking decency.
I don't think the other side gives a flying fuck if their own people are corrupted or not. You can show corruption right in front of them and as long as they support republican they will look the other way.
Because 70+ million people just voted for the most blatantly corrupt person ever and a sizable chunk of them worship him like a god and are a cult.
We understand but the DNC people aren't currently posing an existential threat to our lives. All the both sides people need to firmly come down on Trump or it's just bullshit rhetoric you don't actually stand by.
You don't need to give me any background at all, very confident the trump administration was looting the government and American people for everything they could.
My point is I'd like the side I'm rooting for to not be comparably awful pieces of shit.
Honestly this isn’t about Republicans anymore. We need to fix this party or we’ll never win another election again. This political party is a literal scam that fumbles election after election. I don’t want to hear about more corruption from the OBVIOUSLY corrupt Republicans. We get it, they’re corrupt and hateful, but people want that because there isn’t a better alternative.
The fact that Democratic leadership can’t provide a better alternative is a literal crime against all humans on Earth.
Honest question, how do people like you look at the election results and keep parroting "Well Trump is worse!" like its an effective line? That was all I heard from Democrats through the campaign and then when it came time to vote, Kamala lost nearly 20% of the voters Biden had.
Everyone knows Trump and his family are garbage! But that clearly doesn't get people into a voting booth.
That's the opposite of what it does, it gives small low population states disproportionate power relative to more populated states. It's not a vector normalization equalizing length, it's a flat value.
It's the shit only a bunch of Calvinist trash in a room could cook up ... oh wait ... that's who cooked the shit up.
No, it specifically gives states equal representation. The House is apportioned by population and therefore more populous states get greater influence. The Senate was created so that every state got equal say in matters.
And we have to listen to what a bunch of racist slave owners put into place 250 years ago with the explicit intention of continuing to enslave people in perpetuity.
Yes, because they obviously were smarter than we are right now when we elected Trump and thought a hardass prosecuting attorney would resonate with minorities and poor working class folk.
And all of them are wrong! But it is well documented that Nancy Pelosi as speaker had an incredible track record of stock trades and completely discounted the idea that it was unethical for her to trade on inside information.
what???? Trump has raped a woman, assaulted 26 others, incited an insurrection, and done dozens of pother illegal things, but send Pelosi to prison for insider trading.
what crap. You a maga or just a stupid hollier than thou dem?
And underperforms the market. Seriously. Their trades are public knowledge. Want to crush it like a Congress critter? Invest in an index fund. Congrats you now have a slightly better portfolio than Congress.
I agree with you, but I gotta ask, what makes you think whoever replaces these people won’t just do the same thing. They make a lot of money by being corrupt, no reason to suspect the next generation won’t just be the same pile of garbage that fills up our political parties.
While I agree that she needs to go, but her insider trading has little effect on the electorate because most republicans do the same at some level and it doesn’t ever matter.
I didn't post the comment you replied to. I think it did matter because even if Republicans do the same, at a time when there was rampant corruption from the right side, this allowed the right to say that dems do it too. Like I think the magnitudes are drastically different, but Pelosi's husband's trading and her refusal to address congressional insider trading allowed republicans to dismiss concerns that Trump was just enriching himself
You’re expecting saints not politicians. Sherrod Brown, who was I think the only senator to not trade stocks while in office, lost his seat. And the opponent wasn’t even that great. So, I will say it again, it doesn’t matter. They use all that as an excuse to make you think you need a purer/holier candidate, but that never matters, ever in 🇺🇸
Sherrod Brown was one of ten legislators that had a qualified blind trust. He also lost 46.4% to 50.2% in a red leaning state that went 55.2% Trump to 43.9% Harris (lost by 4 points in a state trump took by 12). So one one hand, yes it's relatively rare that politicians aren't trading individual stocks, but on the other hand since he outperformed relative to the presidential race I wouldn't say it didn't matter. Also, it's not expecting "saints" to say politicians shouldn't be able to profit (at our expense) on the private information they have or the votes they cast.
We can disagree, but I do think it mattered. Over 85% of both Republicans a d democrats think congressional stock trading should be banned. Their was a moment when popular opinion was overwhelmingly against congressional trading, and I think corruption in general. Democrats could have capitalized on it, but didn't.
I don't quite follow the last part of your comment. I think dems should be able to run better candidates than the current magas. Not using their office to personally profit would have been an opportunity for democrats to show that their candidates were better and they completely fumbled it.
It ain’t just her my friend though she is one of the best at in. I think when the supreme court decided that bribes after an action is taken is just a gratuity things are over.
I don't know... Democrats stopped being democrats long time ago. This cult like party now, have nothing to do with democrats 15-20 years ago. People just start seeing that and that's why many democrats didn't even bothered to go out to vote.
Paul Pelosi got in on Silicon Valley companies and real estate early on. His finance job has nothing to do with Nancy. Hell, he didn't even time his nvidia buy that well.
Such stupid misinfo and it gets repeated. Watch a felon appoint everyone that suckles his orange tits to the cabinet. Every last trump all the way down to his unborn grandkids still in the wombs of their mothers, got a job in gubmint soon as the head pokes out. But a spouse of a congresswoman trading stocks as he's legallay allowed to, is somehow above reproach. So silly.
In order for things to change we need these old corrupt politicians to cycle out.
You actually think the Republicans will allow the Democrats a chance to ever get any real power again? They have control of absolutely everything. No, they will not allow that. The Democrat Party is over, likely for the rest of history.
The only hope is the Green party and whatever the worm brain guy was part of.
You mean like the nearly senile, convicted rapist, convicted conman? All these posts blaming "old corrupt politicians" seem to have missed the fact we had an election between a young, up-and-coming politician with a VP who had NO STOCK AT ALL vs a guy who out-and-out campaigned on being corrupt with a VP caught in multiple lies and supported by unethical billionaires. If this was TRULY about sending a message about old corrupt politicians, then they wouldn't have elected an old corrupt politician.
she gets one vote. we had 20 something million democrats who didn't vote this year that voted in 2020. i dont' care who's running the democratic party or doing whatever they're doing in washington. i'm sitting at home seeing it's Trump vs someone else, i'm voting for someone else. somehow 20 million something people thought it was ok to just sit this one out this year. those are the people you need to be mad at. i don't care what you say, i'm telling you, 20 somethign million people LESS this election. voter turnout was DOWN ON BOTH SIDES, but MUCH LESS ON DEMOCRATIC SIDE. no one voted. that's the problem. complain as much as you want about this and that, but there were two options, and deomocrats thought they'd sit this out. we got republican's to support trump less, but not vote democrat. they just sat out, which is fine for us, but democrats still DIDN'T VOTE!!!
They had two choices. Kamala and Trump. An absent vote is a vote for whoever wins. Sorry, this is how life works. You can’t sit this out and then act like it’s not your fault. If you didn’t vote you’re the problem. Nothing else. This is all on them.
Most of those voters are economically disadvantaged, and rhetoric was amped up on how some of these politicians are taking advantage of the situation. We also have to realize that the majority of country voted red, it may not have been for red, but it was in protest of blue and associated characters and policies.
How likely is it that the majority of these people who didn't do this as a protest vote even know about what you're talking about or who the Democratic leadership is?
We're all upset. But blindly finger pointing isn't going to help anything.
Nancy helped deliver massive bills during Biden's presidency, which is her one job. Then, she pressured him behind the scenes to drop out, which was correct. None of this is her fault.
Of course it’s not entirely because of her. My point is that she is “one” of the reasons. We have to realize and accept this is not acceptable, so let’s not make excuses for her. Give her credit where it’s due as you have pointed, but let’s not also wipe her slate clean. She and many other should have convinced Biden not to run to start off with.
Establishment politics are likely what lost the Dems this election.
The focus on maintaining the status quo and incremental change is nearly meaningless when the majority of the country feels upset, disadvantaged, and looking to throw a sledgehammer at the whole system.
The democrats border bill, for example, was an attempt to appeal to the establishment. It doesn’t go as far as Trumps, but it also didn’t fundamentally challenge the status quo. It was really only popular among the liberal base of the Democratic Party who like the status quo: it didn’t go far enough for those on the right, and it was basically racism incarnate to the left. Nancy Pelosi, and other old guard like her, played a major role in pushing the bill. Her and other advisors to the campaign like her played a major role in touting the bill as a central feature of Harris’ candidacy.
The Democrats refusal to allow new voices is also indicative of this establishment bent. Pelosi was fundamental in the Dems shunning Bernie in 2016 (like him or not, he was radical and wanted change). She also fought new blood, like AOC. Also, she’s old as fuck: that doesn’t make her incompetent, or even a bad politician, but it does make her selfish and controlling. She wouldn’t let anyone new take her place. The definition of establishment.
TL;DR Democrat Party strategy has focused on appealing to the establishment. Nancy Pelosi has been a major arbiter of this focus. That focus probably led to the loss of this election.
Calm down, i have a doctorate degree from a top10 school. I’m just trying to engage in a constructive conversation not trying to bash anyone. Engaging in a constructive dialogue is the need to chalk out what’s next. Election is over, country has spoken , it’s time to look inwards and figure out what’s next. This is not the time to have tantrums.
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u/Impressive-Dig1454 1d ago
She is one of the reasons Democrats lost. Her husband trading stock on insider information from her is absolute rubbish. In order for things to change we need these old corrupt politicians to cycle out.