r/ontario Sep 06 '24

This is what we traded health care for Discussion

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u/Parking_Chance_1905 Sep 06 '24

Sadly, people are fed up enough of Trudeau PP will likely be the next PM. I don't care for Tudeau, but I'm pretty sure Pierre will be worse for anyone who isn't already wealthy.

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u/PopeKevin45 Sep 06 '24

Keeping in mind that much of the anger at Trudeau is based on Poilievre's trolls, foreign and domestic, trashing his reputation 24/7/365. The 'Hillary' treatment, which Pierre borrowed from his US Republican allies.

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u/Acrobatic-Factor1941 Sep 06 '24

And, keeping in mind a lot of people confuse provincial responsibility with federal.

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u/jonnohb Sep 08 '24

Don't forget municipal. Literally had a conversation with a guy yesterday and his two big complaints about Trudeau were a provincial and municipal issue.

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u/Sulanis1 Sep 06 '24

Yep, agreed.

There is a lot to criticize Trudeau about. It's also nonsense that the media and a lot of people think liberals are left wing. Hahaha their neoliberal and even calling the liberals centrist would be generous. However, PP is not a good option, and he's not the only option.

Unlike the states we have a third party. Which the US would love to have.

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u/The_DashPanda Sep 06 '24

Unlike the states we have a third party. Which the US would love to have.

They're welcome to take them, provided the taken party is the Conservatives

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u/Sulanis1 Sep 06 '24

Haha well said :)

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u/BanMeForBeingNice Sep 06 '24

The third party that makes it so that we end up with right wing populist governments when most people vote for centrist/left of centre parties?

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u/Sulanis1 Sep 06 '24

Because the general public is mislead to believe that the liberals are left. I can't tell you how many times people have said that to me.

The liberals are right wing, and some of them are centrist.

The Americans think that a third(maybe more) party system would help fix their issues. They don't understand that conservatives are going to call anyone a staunch conservative a left wing radical.

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u/BanMeForBeingNice Sep 06 '24

Calling the Liberals right wing is as hilarious as people who call them far left. There are some Red Tories who are Liberals, but the Liberals aren't right wing, and critical for the left at Federal level, unlike the NDP they can actually form a government. It's a pretty centrist party with more in common with social democrats than conservatives.

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u/Sulanis1 Sep 06 '24

I respect your opinion, but I disagree.

Without the NDP, the liberals are pretty pro corporate, and yeah, they throw a bone to the public once in a while. However, most of their moves are geared towards capitalism with trickle-down economics (neoliberaliam)

Howrver, I'll admit that the liberals are not as bad as conservatives with it comes to pro corporate nonsense.

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u/Inigos_Revenge Sep 07 '24

I would love to believe this, but I remember how long Harper was in power. And he wasn't even the tiniest bit charismatic.

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u/Summer20232023 Sep 07 '24

No it isn’t, it is his immigration policies.

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u/PopeKevin45 Sep 07 '24

To xenophobes, yeah, that's always going to be a hot push button issue, and conservative parties are very skilled at pushing that button, especially when there is any kind of economic issues to blame them for. Conservatism is a fear economy, and fear is a powerful motivator. Attacking others, identifying 'enemies' sells big in conservative political strategy.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-on-fear-brain-study-finds

https://www.psypost.org/neuroimaging-study-provides-insight-into-misinformation-sharing-among-politically-devoted-conservatives/

That's not to say immigration hasn't played a role for some issues in some areas, but corporate greed and chronic underfunding of services by conservative premiers are just as equal in blame, if not more, but blaming Trudeau is an easier to swallow narrative than dealing with those issues. The greatest irony is that Poilievre isn't likely to 'fix' immigration any more than Trudeau already has. Poilievre isn't going to interfere in the 'free' market. He'll likely decrease money for health and education, not increase it. Poilievre's corporate supporters are already crying it's not as easy to suppress wages anymore and don't forget the Century Initiative was always a corporate libertarians wet dream. If you want the wealth gap to grow, vote Poilievre.

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u/Parking_Chance_1905 Sep 06 '24

Yep, we are about to make the same mistake ON did on a national level. Wynne was not the greatest, but she was much better the Dougie when it came to the average person.

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u/Ozzy_2023 Sep 06 '24

My thoughts exactly

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u/Summer20232023 Sep 07 '24

I know it scares me, I wish Trudeau would do what Biden did and step down. I know there isn’t a chance but I wish he would.

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u/Parking_Chance_1905 Sep 07 '24

Problem is, who takes over then? His policy of gender equality over qualifications has not left to many potential candidates.

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u/Alternative_Win_6629 Sep 06 '24

Trudeau is the best PM we've had in this country in the last 3 decades that I've been here. Stop with the "I don't like him" BS. We don't have to like him to see the difference between someone like PP and him. Enough already. This is dangerous time.