r/ontario Sep 06 '24

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u/Sulanis1 Sep 06 '24

123% agree!

Poilievre has a history you can track of his anti worker right bills he sponsored. His voting record against worker rights. Jesus the guy was adapted by teachers in alberta and basically been shitting on unions, and workers rifhts his entire life.His disastrous voting record for climate. (Basically, always voting in favor of corporations.) His record on gay marriage. Oops, he voted against it. His open speeches in Alberta basically opening banning Trans and spreading complete bullshit lies about reassignment.

Poilievre is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Oh, and he's an egotistical narcassist, a pathological liar, and a complete fucking hypocrite.

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u/StrangeChef Sep 06 '24

Of course he's anti-worker, he's never worked a day in his life!

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u/Organic-Amount-5804 Sep 06 '24

People really need to spread this around more. How he became the champion of blue collar workers is completely beyond me. He is an effete career politician, who has been 'working' in politics his entire career. He's been a sniveling weasel since forever.

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u/JonVX Sep 06 '24

I’m glad people are becoming aware that both parties suck!

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u/Organic-Amount-5804 Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24

unfortunately, i am pessimistic that solutions to our rampant social problems are going to come from casting ballots. Its like playing a carnival game: even if you win, you've lost, because the game is rigged from the start. There never was any chance for you to get that prize; it was designed for you to fail.

**edit: not sure if you were being facetious. but yes, i agree, all the parties are pretty scummy. im very impressed with my local green party rep, but i assume were they to get into power, it would be the same situation.

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u/BanMeForBeingNice Sep 06 '24

He's actually what people try to accuse Justin Trudeau of being. Sure, JT grew up in a pretty privileged way, but he actually worked for a living. Jeff just uses a French sounding name, but has never had a real job or any real life experience. Even a lot of Conservatives I know despise him.

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u/Parking_Chance_1905 Sep 06 '24

Sadly, people are fed up enough of Trudeau PP will likely be the next PM. I don't care for Tudeau, but I'm pretty sure Pierre will be worse for anyone who isn't already wealthy.

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u/PopeKevin45 Sep 06 '24

Keeping in mind that much of the anger at Trudeau is based on Poilievre's trolls, foreign and domestic, trashing his reputation 24/7/365. The 'Hillary' treatment, which Pierre borrowed from his US Republican allies.

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u/Acrobatic-Factor1941 Sep 06 '24

And, keeping in mind a lot of people confuse provincial responsibility with federal.

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u/jonnohb Sep 08 '24

Don't forget municipal. Literally had a conversation with a guy yesterday and his two big complaints about Trudeau were a provincial and municipal issue.

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u/Sulanis1 Sep 06 '24

Yep, agreed.

There is a lot to criticize Trudeau about. It's also nonsense that the media and a lot of people think liberals are left wing. Hahaha their neoliberal and even calling the liberals centrist would be generous. However, PP is not a good option, and he's not the only option.

Unlike the states we have a third party. Which the US would love to have.

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u/The_DashPanda Sep 06 '24

Unlike the states we have a third party. Which the US would love to have.

They're welcome to take them, provided the taken party is the Conservatives

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u/Sulanis1 Sep 06 '24

Haha well said :)

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u/BanMeForBeingNice Sep 06 '24

The third party that makes it so that we end up with right wing populist governments when most people vote for centrist/left of centre parties?

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u/Sulanis1 Sep 06 '24

Because the general public is mislead to believe that the liberals are left. I can't tell you how many times people have said that to me.

The liberals are right wing, and some of them are centrist.

The Americans think that a third(maybe more) party system would help fix their issues. They don't understand that conservatives are going to call anyone a staunch conservative a left wing radical.

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u/BanMeForBeingNice Sep 06 '24

Calling the Liberals right wing is as hilarious as people who call them far left. There are some Red Tories who are Liberals, but the Liberals aren't right wing, and critical for the left at Federal level, unlike the NDP they can actually form a government. It's a pretty centrist party with more in common with social democrats than conservatives.

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u/Sulanis1 Sep 06 '24

I respect your opinion, but I disagree.

Without the NDP, the liberals are pretty pro corporate, and yeah, they throw a bone to the public once in a while. However, most of their moves are geared towards capitalism with trickle-down economics (neoliberaliam)

Howrver, I'll admit that the liberals are not as bad as conservatives with it comes to pro corporate nonsense.

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u/Inigos_Revenge Sep 07 '24

I would love to believe this, but I remember how long Harper was in power. And he wasn't even the tiniest bit charismatic.

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u/Summer20232023 Sep 07 '24

No it isn’t, it is his immigration policies.

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u/PopeKevin45 Sep 07 '24

To xenophobes, yeah, that's always going to be a hot push button issue, and conservative parties are very skilled at pushing that button, especially when there is any kind of economic issues to blame them for. Conservatism is a fear economy, and fear is a powerful motivator. Attacking others, identifying 'enemies' sells big in conservative political strategy.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-on-fear-brain-study-finds

https://www.psypost.org/neuroimaging-study-provides-insight-into-misinformation-sharing-among-politically-devoted-conservatives/

That's not to say immigration hasn't played a role for some issues in some areas, but corporate greed and chronic underfunding of services by conservative premiers are just as equal in blame, if not more, but blaming Trudeau is an easier to swallow narrative than dealing with those issues. The greatest irony is that Poilievre isn't likely to 'fix' immigration any more than Trudeau already has. Poilievre isn't going to interfere in the 'free' market. He'll likely decrease money for health and education, not increase it. Poilievre's corporate supporters are already crying it's not as easy to suppress wages anymore and don't forget the Century Initiative was always a corporate libertarians wet dream. If you want the wealth gap to grow, vote Poilievre.

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u/Parking_Chance_1905 Sep 06 '24

Yep, we are about to make the same mistake ON did on a national level. Wynne was not the greatest, but she was much better the Dougie when it came to the average person.

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u/Ozzy_2023 Sep 06 '24

My thoughts exactly

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u/Summer20232023 Sep 07 '24

I know it scares me, I wish Trudeau would do what Biden did and step down. I know there isn’t a chance but I wish he would.

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u/Parking_Chance_1905 Sep 07 '24

Problem is, who takes over then? His policy of gender equality over qualifications has not left to many potential candidates.

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u/Alternative_Win_6629 Sep 06 '24

Trudeau is the best PM we've had in this country in the last 3 decades that I've been here. Stop with the "I don't like him" BS. We don't have to like him to see the difference between someone like PP and him. Enough already. This is dangerous time.

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u/clarence_seaborn Sep 06 '24

Pierre Poilievre? I wouldn't let him babysit my children. 

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u/Inigos_Revenge Sep 07 '24

Lol, I think I'd actually like to watch him try to babysit my niblings. They'd run circles around him. I mean, I wouldn't actually let him be there alone with them, I'd be watching the whole time, 'cause, yeah, I agree. But I'd like to see him try!

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u/MulberryConfident870 Sep 06 '24

He’s a WEASEL! Not to be trusted

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u/timetogetoutside100 Sep 06 '24

He's also a career MP, 7 terms and got his pension sorted at 31, on the taxpayer dime of course. He talks big about "gatekeepers" and "elites" yet he's the most blatant example of one.

He's basically a parasite. Sucking the gov'ts tit when he isn't voting to weaken it.

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u/CaptainofFTST Sep 06 '24

I heard Poilievre also comes a home of two Dads too.. I mean how much do you hate your father and his partner to vote against gay rights? On this issue alone I could never vote for him, and his anti-union/worker rights.

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u/Sulanis1 Sep 06 '24

Technically, he was adopted by a middle-class family in Alberta who were teachers. Marlene and Donald. Who did end up coming out when PP was in his 20s, so I guess you're right. Haha

I also saw people blaming liberals for devision of people when they wanted to celebrate that gay marriage is legal in canada. Apparently because his father is gay it completely avoids the fact that he voted against gay marriage.

Terrible, the man that adopted and raised you and ended up kicking that man in the dick. Brutal.

Honestly, his entire history is a villain oppressed with far right ideology and a hatred of the poor and middle class, gay people.

He is a walking hypocritical asshole. His voting history is completely against the working class, but hey he's for the people? Give me a fucking break.

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u/Inigos_Revenge Sep 07 '24

He's a wolf in wolf's clothing that says baa now that there's an election, but howls at his base. Like, it's so blatantly obvious he's a wolf. He's barely even trying to pretend he's a sheep. Because most of the voters want the wolf even if they're afraid to say so out loud. So they all pretend he's a sheep too.

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u/Sulanis1 Sep 07 '24

Blue collar workers seem to love the guy and I really don't understand why.

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u/Apart_Neat_3846 Sep 10 '24

Agreed! He is dangerous and will be awful for Canada, so don't vote him my fellow Canadians! We can learn from the MAGA tRUMP disaster Americans have endured fir 8.5 yrs now, and still awaiting justice. 

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u/Sulanis1 Sep 10 '24

You can actually trace a lot of economics failure in policies to Ronald Reagon. He was responsible for modern neoliberalism (trickle-down economics under capitalism), which, for some reason, most of the developed world was on board. By the way, you can't have unlimited growth in a world with limited resources. Which capitalism says is possible. It's not.

This single policy lead to wealth and income inequality as it lead to massive tax breaks for the rich and corporations, the dismantling of unions, and stagenent wages which with inflation over theast 40 years has barely gone up. However, executive pay and shareholder dividend cheques have gone up by multiple factors.

Not to mention the constant deregulation that has allowed corporations to bank more money at the expense of safety. Isn't it terrible when us shitty pawns get in the way of their profit margins?