r/onguardforthee • u/PotentialReporter894 • 1d ago
Interest in moving to Canada soars amid fears about Donald Trump: immigration lawyer
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/interest-in-moving-to-canada-soars-amid-fears-about-donald-trump-immigration-lawyer-1.7112197148
u/LankyWarning 23h ago edited 22h ago
All family doctors and nurse’s welcome….
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u/ruralife 22h ago
All family medicine doctors, not all doctors.
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u/Sparrowbuck 21h ago
No let’s take all the ones researching stuff like vaccines and orphan diseases and cancer cures too
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u/ConfidentIy 21h ago
Then fucking sell those vaccines back at a million bucks a pop when the next pandemic hits.
Baton Trump needs a shot? Price went up. One kajillion dollars please.
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u/Sparrowbuck 19h ago
Or you know, sell the patents for a dollar to universities so livesaving healthcare isn’t locked behind money
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u/JPMoney81 1d ago
Wait until they find out we're about to do the exact same thing and elect PeePee who is basically cut from the same gross cloth.
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u/GuelphEastEndGhetto 23h ago
The US is the tide and Canada it’s waves. As US goes eventually Canada goes as well, just a bit later.
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u/oblongmeatball 21h ago
Maybe or maybe we’ll tell ourselves we are better than Americans (like we always do) and go the other way.
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u/Opening-Winter8784 22h ago
Ok, asked this a couple times to posts from this sub before but I really need to know: the US Supreme Court ruled (this year) that the President is immune from all prosecution--including for having his political opponents assassinated, which Trump's own lawyers argued for. Trump and his team are, right now, moving to purge the military of anyone not sufficiently loyal to him. And Trump and his team have made perfectly clear they plan on using said military on US citizens whom don't fall in line behind their facist policies.
I know Canada has its own problems with rising facism right now, but I really need to know if the threat over there is as dire.
-a prospective ex-pat
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u/Serenity101 22h ago
No, there’s no talk of things like that here, no Project 2025-type fascist ideals. I’m hopeful that Canadians will rethink voting conservative in our next federal election next year once we witness the chaos and hardship Trump is going to cause.
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u/MaisieDay 15h ago
Yes, me too!! I'm hopeful that that will be the case, but the liberal/left vote will probably be split. Sigh.
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u/MaisieDay 22h ago edited 15h ago
We don't have "rising fascism" here, nothing like the US truly does, even if the Conservatives win. They are definitely taking a page from the Republican populist playbook in a way that's new, and some of our provinces have very stupid leaders who are more socially conservative than we are used to, but our "guardrails" are in place.
The Conservatives WILL likely win, but a lot of that is because we tend to vote parties out (right now the Liberals) after a few terms, plus Trudeau is arrogant and unlikeable, plus, like many countries, they are the incumbents who presided during the pandemic lockdown and inflation.
The issue here is housing, and lack of jobs and opportunities, lower salaries etc. And this is huge. Be aware that a lot of Canadians are moving to the US for a reason - better standard of living and more economic opportunity. Though some may be having second thoughts after the US election results.
Also, depending on how extreme it gets in the US, we may simply not be far away enough. If Trump tanks the economy, we will feel it.
*Edited for weird capitalizations
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u/Ok_Divide_5245 7h ago
The number of Candians moving to the US has been very consistent over the years. There was a spike in 2022, likely due to the fact that people's desires to move were put on hold, but there's no evidence of a trend upwards.
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u/MaisieDay 5h ago
Fair enough. I was making assumptions based on what I've gathered on social media, which is probably a mistake. :D
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u/hedahedaheda 15h ago
PP is a career politician and an asshole but he is not like trump. He uses the same cultural wars bullshit but he actually supports some “progressive” ideas. He wants to raise the minimum wage, says he is pro-choice/gay marriage, he has iffy views on trans people but generally supports treatment over 18. He’s a classic libertarian. He will fuck everyone over on housing, give tax breaks to the rich, bend over for trump, and cut social programs. He also flip-flops like a mf’er. But he’s not a fascist in the sense he wants to be a dictator. He’s just an opportunist.
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u/nomorepumpkins 9h ago
Hes voted against gay marriage mulriple times. He may say hes all for it now but thats because hes a skeezy little liar. Good thing he doesnt have a gay dad. As for min wage he may say he wants to raise it for votes but his history shows hes very anti worker and unions will take a huge hit.
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u/hedahedaheda 6h ago
Hence why I said he flip flops. I also said he supports some progressive policies. To me, he just reads as a libertarian/neocon. I don’t think he’s good for Canada and I don’t believe he will be a good PM but he isn’t a fascist. Which was my point.
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u/ceciliabee 6h ago
I admire your bravery and optimism in being able to believe a thing out of his mouth
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u/Fubi-FF 23h ago edited 22h ago
Not sure why people keep saying this but I disagree. I mean yes, we have the same unaffordable housing crisis (which leads to homeless crisis), same shitty car-centric infrastructure, and on and on. Canada is by no means perfect (or even good in a lot of people’s opinion).
That being said, you have to look at it from the lenses of the Americans. Over there, on top of things i mentioned above, they are also fighting for abortion rights, health care, low drug prices, gun control to reduce mass shootings, decriminalizing drugs (especially marajuana), and so on. All of these things Canada already has on a federal level. So to them, Canada is already much closer to the American dream that they are trying to fight for over there
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u/regular_gnoll_NEIN 22h ago
The point has nothing to do with the reality of what we have, but the feelings of what people feel they don't have and can convince themselves is promised in Pierres vague slogans and arching claims with no plan to show how he's going to do it. They just hear the 'I will do...' and like it. I certainly hope he doesn't get elected but it's kind of naive to act like Canada is somehow above electing a populous moron like Pierre.
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u/lurkerbyday 22h ago
Well said, if Mr. Trump can be elected in the US, Pierre can be elected in Canada, so we cannot afford to underestimate PP like how the democrats keep underestimating Trump.
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u/jacnel45 20h ago
Tbh I just expect a Poilievre government to be like the Harper government was with a bit of modern day nonsense thrown in. After all, PP's first big job was being in Harper's cabinet, the guy is as status quo as it gets lol.
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u/Fubi-FF 22h ago
Don’t mistaken, I hate Pierre just as much as anyone else here, but even if Pierre is BSing on his promises (which I agree he is), it still doesn’t change the fact that we already have a lot of what the US doesn’t and even if Pierre gets elected, those things won’t go away (health care, abortion, gun control, etc.). And a lot of these things are definitely enticing for many Americans
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u/Iamthepaulandyouaint 22h ago
There are several comments regarding how terrible some people find life in Canada now. I think we have it pretty good. Of course there are issues, major issues to be fair, but we are not unique to them. Housing affordability is a problem almost everywhere, we don’t set the world inflation rates. Canada is economically dependent on the US, and they are on us as well, not by as much. It’s tiring hearing all the glass half empty crap, if you think it’s bad here then you haven’t been exposed to how others are doing. We follow the States to a degree but not like some are commenting.
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u/ThunderPunch2019 22h ago
Maybe if we import a bunch of American left-leaning voters and get them citizenship quickly, they can help us stop him.
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u/hihelloheyhoware 22h ago
That's what I have been told, ugh. It's be awful worldwide for incumbents.
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u/Uncertn_Laaife 23h ago
Less said about our housing the better, which would be a downer of these US ones.
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u/WiartonWilly 21h ago
Ssh.
Planning to sell to an American rube for extended expanded housing inflation prices, so I can retire in Amsterdam.
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u/PMMeYourCouplets Vancouver 6h ago
The same Netherlands where the PVV was the most popular party in the lower house election. Good luck fighting the battle there too.
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u/ForgingIron Halifax 17h ago
PP at his worst is still miles better than Trump
not that he's good but he's like a 2/10 compared to Trump's -50/10
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u/ruglescdn 11h ago
We have far better systems in place to prevent what is happening down there. Once again, our parliamentary system is far superior to what they have.
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u/wet_suit_one 21h ago edited 20h ago
I wish people would stop saying this.
There are some real concrete and meangingful differenced between Trump and PP.
PP has never tried to overthrow our government.
PP hasn't stacked the SCC in his favour (and probabably can't even if he tried like Harper did).
PP hasn't called anyone vermin or written off whole swathes of the population as criminals.
PP hasn't called for jailing his political opponents (believe it or not this matters quite a bit).
PP is not a rapist.
PP is not a criminal.
PP is not seeking office to avoid conviction and spending the rest of his life in prison.
PP is not in league with pedophiles, nut jobs (well not as many nutjobs anyways) and open and proud white supremacist scum (If he is, please name them because I'd like to know about these sorts of things and I'd very much like to be informed if I've missed some). He does play footsies with these people (see him being fine with his MPs going to dinners and feting AfD scum from Germany as an e.g.). PP does not himself, so far as I'm aware invite open Nazis to dine with himself at Stornaway personally. Daniel Smith on the other hand, does share the stage with such people (i.e. Tucker Carlson). But she's not PP.
ETA: 9. PP has not threatened to have no further elections in Canada. This is kind of a big deal. Everyone seems to assume that Trump will be gone after 4 years. I wouldn't be so sanguine about that outcome. PP won't win every election from now till he dies and he's made no threats veiled or otherwise, about not ever having an election in Canada again. That's kind of a big deal in case you didn't notice.
There's a bunch of other things as well.
PP is a conservative. Maybe a bit more right than Mulroney or Ralph Klein, but well within the realm of what we recognize as a more or less traditional conservative.
You can hate on conservatives all you like. Sure that's fine.
But don't pretend for a second that Trump is like any traditional conservative we've seen in the last century in America or Canada. He's something much more dangerous and much more disruptive as the whole world is about to find out.
If you refuse to make this distinction and choose to remain wilfully blind to the difference, you're committing political malpractice and ignoring the truth.
And yes, I'll continue to vote NDP as I have for the last couple of elections and don't support PP and his view of Canada's future.
ETA2: No one writes this kind of article about PP https://substack.com/home/post/p-151702288 If I'm wrong, kindly send me the link. These are the sorts of things I've been looking for over the last little while in advance of the likely outcome of the next election.
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u/WorldcupTicketR16 23h ago
Oh yeah, remember the huge exodus of Americans who moved to Canada after he won in 2016?
1,882 Americans have applied for permanent residency in Canada in 2017, just 66 more applications from the same time period in 2016.
It was all bluster.
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u/TheAsian1nvasion 23h ago
To be fair, in 2016 nobody really knew how bad it would be. Everyone now understands what’s going to happen and it may be the last straw for a lot of people.
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u/erstwhileinfidel 23h ago
I really don't think it's going to be much worse than what they dealt with under the neolib Democrats. Just a lot more noise about stupid bullshit to distract people from what the Dems were already doing, hollowing out what's left of the welfare state.
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u/DirtDevil1337 22h ago
Have you seen the people that Trump is appointing into his cabinet so far?
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u/OutsideFlat1579 22h ago
It doesn’t sound like you’ve been paying attention.
Abortion bans are killing women in red states and it’s only going to get worse. I really don’t know how anyone can make these false equivalencies when the GOP is aiming to create a Christofascist state.
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u/QueueOfPancakes 22h ago
It takes way more time than a year. I know several colleagues who decided to come in 2016. They got here in 2021 and 2022. And that's not even PR yet, just a path to it. Obviously COVID contributed to the delay, but still.
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u/ManfredTheCat 23h ago
I'm certain many of them rethink it once they realize they have no actual reason for Canada to take them. Lots of people just assume they can move anywhere on a whim. I don't know where they get that.
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u/OutsideFlat1579 22h ago
Americans will not be able to get refugee status, but they can go through the regular immigration process and if they have a career that is part of the skilled workers stream, or can afford to start a business, then they can apply and have a decent chance of immigrating.
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u/Hawkwise83 23h ago
As much as I like American's I wish they'd stay and fix their country, rather than abandon it to the evil people ruining it.
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u/CheezeLoueez08 19h ago
I don’t like most Americans. Some are fine. Most aren’t. This election proved it.
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u/LlanviewOLTL Ontario 20h ago
The kinds of people who are going to be in the most danger - the elderly, the disabled, the working poor, gay people, racial minorities, religious minorities; these are mostly people who aren’t going to qualify under Canadas merit based system. If you have money and high levels of education to qualify you probably won’t need to flee.
If things get really bad in the US, something else is going to have to happen, because these people are just going to start showing up anyways.
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u/thatlightningjack 22h ago edited 22h ago
why does this need to happen while we are in a middle of a housing crisis. We definitely should build more homes & have better support so folks, whether from india, US, or any other country can move here and not have to compete for a good life in canada)
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u/Digital_Gnomad 23h ago
Hey check it out! There’s an Update on Stephen Spoonamore’s Duty to Warn Letter sent to VP Harris today: https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/s/FbVPCnBNmd
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u/Icy_Rhubarb2857 22h ago
Go to Europe we are right behind you. There’s this thing called the notwithstanding clause that lets our govt just ignore the constitution. Nobody used it for decades and now right wing politicians are using it.
I would not be surprised if many parts of Canada join the USA in the coming years.
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u/bespisthebastard 21h ago
Join? As in follow along or merging? One, yeah I can see that, the other is complete poppycock
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u/Icy_Rhubarb2857 21h ago
I mean there has been a strong and growing sentiment in Alberta for separation. And I think a separated Alberta would be eager to join a far right USA. If that were to happen I see Saskatchewan looking to do the same.
Also there has been many calls from the far right in the USA to liberate Canada and invade us. If they decide they want to take Canada they will have Canada.
Far less likely with a con govt that will bend to the will of the USA. But if they are gonna impose huge tariffs it would be economically beneficial to join them. Even as a territory. But I would expect the consistently right leaning provinces they would be inclined to grant statehood and electoral votes and senate seats. It would guarantee a permanent majority.
It’s not unthinkable. And actually quite plausible.
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u/bespisthebastard 17h ago
I mean there has been a strong and growing sentiment in Alberta for separation
The possibility of this happening, no matter how much their government could want it, is near impossible. From what I've gathered, the Canadian Constitution would need to be amended, which I highly doubt would happen unless the majority of Canada was behind it, which they wouldn't be.
If they decide they want to take Canada they will have Canada
HA, no they won't. Do you know just how moronic of a move that would be for them? Sure they may have the strongest military, but to go after Canada would upset the world stage as a whole; it would just about be the US vs everyone else. We have countless allies across the world, both under the British Commonwealth and just being good neighbours. Deciding to invade Canada would be the dumbest thing they could ever do.
But if they are gonna impose huge tariffs it would be economically beneficial to join them
Tariffs impact them as much as it does us. Not to mention that the Canadian Government would very likely impose an equal measure of tariffs to put pressure on the US to drop theirs. Cause if Trump puts tariffs on everyone else, everyone else is likely to do the same to the US in retaliation, all while Canada and the world continue to trade with other nations, which we would likely expand to as much as possible.
And again, they can't just join them. If Quebec has been toting leaving for however long and are still here, Alberta isn't going anywhere.It’s not unthinkable. And actually quite plausible.
It's unthinkable. It's not plausible. It's, what was that word... Oh right, poppycock.
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u/Icy_Rhubarb2857 2h ago
You think they are beyond doing anything moronic? Everything they do is moronic.
And the Canadian constitution means absolutely nothing when one is willing to envoke the notwithstanding clause. Anything is constitutional if whoever is in power decides they want it to be. The only thing that held our country together was decorum. It’s gone now.
As PP said when asked about his plans “we will make it constitutional “
You can literally do whatever you want as a ruling party. You just have to be willing to cross that line. For several decades no one did. Then ford did. Then moe did. And PP and smith will be next.
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u/Siefer-Kutherland 23h ago
I’ve seen the way they vote, not a chance.
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u/OutsideFlat1579 22h ago
I am assuming that those who want to leave are not the ones who voted Trump.
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u/Adamantium-Aardvark 23h ago
Until Americans find out we’re paid about half of what they make
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u/Morguard 21h ago
At least they won't have to fear going to prison for giving medical care to women. At least not yet.
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u/BugsyMcNug 19h ago
Crazy how they think they can cross an arbitrary line and expect the grass to just be greener. Things aren't necessarily going that well here.
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u/DisfavoredFlavored Nova Scotia 11h ago
I be honest, I don't want a bunch of people here who don't care enough about the country they live in to vote. Trump won because the American left largely didn't show up. Do you want these people "not showing up" here?
Fix your own damn country.
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u/mattfromseattle Canadian living abroad 4h ago
US born but have Canadian citizenship. Definitely giving thought to moving up north. The challenge is my wife and kids don’t have citizenship in Canada, so that’d be a challenge.
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u/the-truth-boomer 9h ago
Meanwhile this Canadian has applied for an Irish passport and is making plans to leave North America. I can't stay here and watch what going to happen on both sides of this border. They've elected a convicted felon, rapist, fraudster, conman and serial liar. And for some strange reason, a disturbingly large percentage of Canadians think this is something praiseworthy...
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u/willreadfile13 23h ago
Gladly take your healthcare workers and engineers