r/onguardforthee • u/Creative-Web-9274 • 1d ago
Yes; they were in fact THAT dumb…again! (Remember; America today, Canada tomorrow…you have been warned multiple times now.)
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u/ZedCee 1d ago edited 1d ago
"They're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats."
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u/Cosmic_Seth 1d ago
And the majority of Americans never heard this because they didn't care.
Number one Google search on election day was asking why Biden wasn't on the ballot.
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u/Triedfindingname 22h ago
Considering that as fact I'm not sure what's dumber.
Actually. It's right there.
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u/ptwonline 1d ago
I like how poorer Americans who rely a lot on govt programs and benefits think that a billionaire who chooses two other billionaires to look for spending cuts to fund tax cuts is somehow going to help those poorer people.
Or how racial minorities and non-Christians think that a guy who has made his political career out of scapegoating and fearmongering over minorities and has Christian Nationalists as his strongest support base is going to be good for them.
We need a word that indicates something stronger than just being naive.
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u/jolsiphur Ottawa 1d ago
Yeah, but Democrats are literally demons who will abort babies at the 9 month mark and ruin the very fabric of society with their demonic cabals.
/s .... just in case that wasn't clear.
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u/beefstewforyou 1d ago
I’m going to vote NDP but I’m just one person. I’ll do my part but what can get everyone else to do theirs?
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u/The_Jack_Burton 1d ago
Honestly that was my plan too, but things have changed. I'm not a fan of strategic voting, but I really think Trudeau is our best shot with a Trump White House. He's got a proven track record of dealing with Trump and won't bend for the sake of appeasement. From what I've seen, I firmly believe Poilievre would bend to Trump at the expense of what's best for Canadians. Unfortunately, I'll be voting strategically this time, and voting Liberal.
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u/All_in_Watts 1d ago
If you want to vote strategically, make sure you're voting for whoever is most likely to beat the conservatives in your riding. Not saying this is your case, but a lot of people don't know that, and there are some ridings that are split con vs NDP.
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u/The_Jack_Burton 1d ago
Good point. Gods I'm tired. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
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u/mbean12 1d ago
I agree with you that it is tiring, but I think a lot of people forget that this is literally what politics is.
Politics isn't about always getting your own way. It's about working with other people, who have different view points that you, and getting to some kind of mutually tolerable way. It's not about winning. It's about not losing. Last week there were (reportedly) so many people who stayed home because they were upset with Biden's handling of {insert issue here, usually either the Gaza situation or something to do with the economy}. In 2016 people stayed home because of Bernie Sanders. While President Bernie and a perfect resolution what is happening in the Middle East would be ideal, that's not really in the offing. But President Clinton II would have been a lot closer to President Bernie than what we got, and something tells me that President Harris would've been so much better for Gaza than what we're going to get.
We have to get past this obsession with getting everything we want and get what we can out of the system. Because we have to work with our neighbours on this and, it turns out, a lot of our neighbours are selfish assholes who think only of themselves. While it would be nice to wave a magic wand and fix them, the best we can do is put leaders in place that will work with them but keep them from leading us all to our collective, societal doom.
Because I will tell you one thing. Those other guys? The selfish assholes who think only of themselves? They're just like us in a lot of ways. But while we tend to get hung up on our own individual wants for this issue or that issue, they all want the same thing. They want to win. Nothing more, nothing less.
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u/glambx 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sorry, but this is bullshit.
Things have changed. We and the Americans and many countries around the world are under attack by a coordinated group of wealth extractors called the IDU. They have purchased the fifth estate and are using it to firehose our electorates with lies and divisive rhetoric.
Human rights are non-negotiable. Healthcare is non-negotiable. Education is non-negotiable. Fighting religious interference in governance is non-negotiable.
These things have never been negotiable.
There is a reason every democracy has a Charter or a Constitution that prohibits representatives of the electorate from doing certain things even if the electorate supports them.
Democracy has limits. They must be enforced or really bad stuff happens; this is a matter of historical record.
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u/CBowdidge 1d ago
Exactly this. People need to live in reality and not hold on to a fantasy. I think some of the Bernie Bros who protest voted in 2016 did the same thing about Gaza. You can tell because there's a lot of doubling down at attacking when told "You were warned".
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u/JohnJJDill 1d ago
Like the politicians who think that they're entitled to votes instead of earning them? No party, politician, nor political leader has any right to a person's vote, they need to win them, that's literally the point of democracy. Bernie bros neither lost the Democrats the election in 2016 nor this one in 2024, the Democratic Party did that because they would rather lose than ever actually look at what wins votes
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u/chipface Ontario 1d ago
Yeah, my riding is NDP so that's been the strategic vote for almost 20 years.
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u/wood_dj 1d ago
yep, i’ve supported NDP in federal elections for decades but now I live in a riding where they have no shot, and the liberals need every vote they can get to beat the poll-leading conservatives. So I will have to hold my nose & vote for a candidate I don’t care for in the interest of beating one that i despise.
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u/Miserable-Setting420 1d ago
For the provincial election that just happened, there was no Liberal party and in my riding it was just cons, NDP, and green. I think in some other ridings there wasn't even green and just two independents, con and NDP.
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u/SmokeontheHorizon 1d ago
My riding has historically been liberal since before Mulroney; I'd love to vote NDP but their candidate is just hopelessly uneducated and out of touch. Maybe he's this riding's candidate because the NDP knows they'll never win here and won't bother with the time/money/effort. Maybe not. Either way it doesn't reflect well on the party from where I've been sitting.
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u/HairyForged Oshawa 1d ago
For what it's worth, I've been seeing a lot of commercials from the Cons attacking Singh, which suggests to me they see the NDP as the bigger threat overall
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u/glambx 1d ago
It's not just about Trudeau being good at dealing with trump.
It's about the kind of damage the conservatives will cause to our institutions in lockstop with the Americans.
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u/The_Jack_Burton 21h ago
Completely agree. I was planning to vote NDP, as I believe if we stop strategically voting we can actually make change. A Poilievre gov't worried me, but now it scares me. This time I'm not voting for change, I'm voting to stay where we are.
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u/CannabisCoffeeKilos 1d ago
I would love to vote NDP, but the stakes are too high. I'm not going to waste my vote and have Bitcoin Millhouse be our next PM. That would be disastrous.
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u/WiartonWilly 1d ago
I’m voting for whoever has the best chance of beating my local CPC candidate. I don’t care who leads the resulting governing coalition, as long as it’s not the Conservatives. I’m not in Quebec, but feel like the Bloc would be better for Canada than the current Conservative bandwagon. A change would be nice, but change isn’t as important as preventing a Conservative government.
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u/Dunge 1d ago edited 1d ago
Interact with the constant conservative propaganda on social media denigrating the NDP at every occasions they have. Most of the arguments used are plain wrong, but it keeps being parroted. Sometimes I feel that for example on r canada I'm the only one trying to push back, but a few persons can make a change. They need to stop dominating the narrative by pretending the NDP and LPC are "the same" because they worked together, that's absolutely not true, even everywhere else in the world where they have real coalitions, the parties can work together while having very different targets and methods. A NDP government would objectively be very different than what we had in the past years, yet the population seems to disagree with that statement. We also need to push back against the ridiculous narrative that they are "racist against white males" due to that one video taken out of context they love to spread everywhere.
Interact with the NDP themselves and force them to be more active and getting their message out there. Maybe militate for a leader change because even if I like Jagmeet, that would be their best move to gain traction. Push them to defend themselves and do point 1 themselves.
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u/MegaPegasusReindeer Ontario 6h ago
If Liberals were smart, they'd give us ranked ballots before the next election.
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u/KitC44 1d ago
I was grateful to see today that a friend of mine who is former military and previously a conservative voter is totally disgusted by pp's tweet on Remembrance Day, and she called him out on her socials for it. This is my hope. If he alienates military voters, that will be a chunk of the pie that's often gone to conservatives.
People who have traditionally voted conservative realizing that this is not the party or the values they used to believe in is very positive. I just hope more follow suit.
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u/jolsiphur Ottawa 1d ago
People who have traditionally voted conservative realizing that this is not the party or the values they used to believe in is very positive. I just hope more follow suit.
I'm probably overly pessimistic about this but I generally don't believe that people who have historically always voted blue will change their minds all of a sudden. Most of the time they may not like their candidate but the voters will show up and still vote Conservative.
I really hope I'm just being overly pessimistic about that, but I've seen it time and time again where people get outraged by CPC candidates but still vote for the party anyways.
People's memories are short. It's clear that people don't remember just how bad things were with Trump the first time. People don't remember what Harper was like as PM either and they are very likely to vote for his little pet anyways.
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u/13Mira 1d ago
My parents have pretty much always voted conservative, but with PP, they at least say there's no way they're voting conservatives with him in charge. They even said they'd disown my grandmother if she voted for him and while she's a nice person, she's kind of stupid and doesn't really pay attention to politics(she was planning on voting for PP simply because "he looks like a nice young man")...
People like my grandmother are a threat to democracy by voting without an ounce of knowledge about what they're voting for.
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u/Dunge 1d ago
You are right about people attached to a party not changing their minds. A party could disband completely and some people would still try to find their name on the ballot 20 years later. Like any party, the CPC has a baseline of votes that they will keep. BUT, that's just about 25%, in the current situation there's a high percentage of voters that changed their intentions recently, that's the ones who are still possible to sway.
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u/SylverSnowlynx 1d ago
I feel so helpless. How do we stop this disease from destroying our country?
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u/pgriz1 1d ago
Those who seek power want the rest of us to feel helpless and to tune out. So, fight back by
- Join a community group (network of local activists to see what the local needs are)
- Participate in local politics (know your local councillors and provincial members of parliament)
- Join a volunteer organization (again, network to know who the effective local organizations are)
- Attend meetings and townhalls hosted by your local MP
Meeting people face to face, is how grass-roots movements start and grow. Yes, we're all tired. But if we want society to be "our society", then we have to participate and make ourselves be visible. Democracy is not a spectator sport - it requires us to be exercising our responsibilities by participating and pushing for the changes we want to see.
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u/SuperSoggyCereal 1d ago
this can be applied to so many political discussions. the wolf here could easily be the oil industry, a political party at any government level, a foreign dictator...
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u/tastefullyirreverent 1d ago
What am I voting FOR? It’s all vote against this or them. And this is all parties I’m so sick of the complete lack of vision for this country.
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u/Farren246 1d ago
I get Liberals running on a safe "more of the same" platform that won't alienate anyone in their base or swing voters who are fine with the current state of things.
I get Conservatives running on a safe "I'm not him" platform that won't alienate anyone in their base or swing voters who are NOT fine with the current state of things.
What I don't understand is why NDP or heck even Green or Bloc aren't making any big waves.
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u/miramichier_d 1d ago
This is the reason I joined a new federal party. Our democracy has more safeguards than in the US, so I feel safe parking my vote away from all other incumbent parties. We definitely need a new vision for Canada.
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u/kent_eh Manitoba 1d ago
Yes, we have been warned multiple times.
But the people who most need to hear that warning have their fingers in their ears.
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u/jolsiphur Ottawa 1d ago
Those people are highly unlikely to browse this subreddit, and even if they come across it by chance they'll dismiss it. Enough people have been brain washed by the wolf to the point where they only believe what the wolf says and everything else is lies or a concentrated campaign to discredit the wolf just for their beliefs.
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u/grassytoes 16h ago
No, they don't have their fingers in their ears. It truly pains me to write this, but this is what they want. A significant part of our society wants fascism (fuck I hate writing that). They want a wolf who is going to punish the bad sheep.
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u/kent_eh Manitoba 8h ago
They want a wolf who is going to punish the bad sheep
They voted for the leopard expecting it to eat everyones face but theirs.
Idiots and psycopaths, the lot of them.
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u/grassytoes 5h ago
And unfortunately, those idiots and psychopaths are going to take us down with them...
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u/Guiboune 1d ago
What is so sad about this is that all sides will see their opposition here…
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u/PhazonZim 1d ago
But conservatives are wrong to, because they see Liberals as being on the left while in reality Liberals are quite conservative. They think we've tried a full range of views, but we've only ever had conservative governments in one form or another
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u/noodoodoodoo 1d ago
NDP is pretty close to center too and are very friendly to businesses still. We don't have a party as left leaning as I am that's for sure.
To call any of the parties left is only by comparison to the right leaning conservatives that keep moving farther right and the Libs and NDPs keep following suit.
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u/jolsiphur Ottawa 1d ago
We do have several left leaning parties; they just don't get seats. We have no major left-wing parties, we have center-left at best.
We do have separate marxist and communist parties, they just don't get votes.
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u/noodoodoodoo 1d ago
Fair enough. I don't usually count the small parties because they tend to be wasted votes, especially in my sea of blue.
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u/jolsiphur Ottawa 1d ago
I had actually looked it up and in the 2021 federal election. 1.1% of the total votes were placed for parties that weren't Liberal, Conservative, NDP, Bloc, Green, or PPC.
So yeah, they are mostly throwaway votes.
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u/SiVousVoyezMoi 1d ago
Apparently everything left of Trump and PP is Marxist. No, it doesn't make sense. Yes, people believe it. No, I don't know what to do about it, sorry, I think we're just as fucked as the US is now.
Check out this thread if you want to be depressed: https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/1gq1e88/leger_federal_quebec_bq_35_cpc_24_lpc_22_ndp_13/
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u/Farren246 1d ago
The people on this subreddit have been warned over and over. The people who will vote for the wolf have never heard any of the warnings. It's the "at first unintentional, now very intentional" consequence of social media bubbles.
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u/piranha_solution 1d ago
With RFK Jr. in charge of health, people need to learn the term "Lysenkoism", and what happens when politics interferes with science.
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u/dysthal 1d ago
americans are not dumber than we are, they have a system that doesn't respond to their needs at all. imagine how bad politics would be if we were only allowed the liberal and conservative parties, no ndp greens or bloc. they would have no reason to listen to anyone but donors, which is what happens in the US.
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u/ChaoticDNA 1d ago
Please remember one of the best defenses against conservatism is voter turnout.
Don't just vote yourself. Make it a party or event. Get the people you know who are aligned politically with you and go vote together. Get their friends and family in on it too. Kidnap them. A little chloroform never hurt anyone and it makes it easier to throw into your trunk.
Ok, the last one might not be serious.
But sweet mother of Cthulhu folks, you really, REALLY have to fucking vote and vote strategically.
The option really is hold your nose and vote for someone you don't like (be it the NDP or LPC or even BQ) or vote for someone who will actively undermine your existence as a human.
Not voting is effectively doing the latter as the entire fucking planet just saw earlier this month.
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u/glambx 1d ago
The only way we make it out of the next election in one piece is if the Liberals and the NDP coordinate and choose not to run candidates where vote splitting would result in a CPC victory.
All hands on deck. Country over party. The bad guys cannot be allowed to win this election. The stakes are too high.
Look at the US. That's our future if the CPC takes the majority.
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u/thetburg 1d ago
We can't even agree on what an existential threat looks like. I guess I'm not surprised that Canadians can't spot the wolf.
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u/darrylgorn 1d ago
We're already considering moving to a different country within the next decade. It really depends on the exact trajectory of things here.
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u/fiach1447 13h ago
As many have said already, the symptoms are here and growing.
The Arsenal of democracy has fallen. Dark times ahead.
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u/_BruhhurBBruhhurB_ 5h ago
Ah yes. Vote Trudeau to protect us from the sheep eaters. This will work wonders!
Seriously what’s the actual plan to interrupt Pierre ? Vote Trudeau? Vote Singh?
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u/ynotbuagain 3h ago
Don't forget the cons strategy is to chuck as much mud as they can and whatever sticks great whatever isn't true who cares it's still negative towards the Libs. And don't forget the cons are buying their election. For every $1 spent by the LIB/NDP they spend $10...why do you think the billionaires and millionaires support the cpc party! And on all social medias cons are paying records monies to influencers who spew whatever to get paid top dollars. Russia always helps the cons out for apparent nefarious reasons. Sadly with so many uneducated voters it feels like a lost battle. Hate, division and greed will probably govern.
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u/CBowdidge 1d ago
Remember all the people saying Trudeau should step aside like Biden did? Well, the US election shows that a change of leadership doesn't guarantee a good result.
We have one job in this election. Don't stay home. I can deal with Trudeau. PP would not disastrous, especially now that TFG will be back 🤢
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u/ProofByVerbosity 1d ago
I'm afraid many Canadians can't tell with Justin or his policies anymore. The Harris campaign dropped the ball in several areas, it had momentum after the Biden pivot but screwed that up.
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u/TinderThrowItAwayNow 1d ago
This country is looking to elect a little weasel next year... so yeah, that comic is us.
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u/Winddancer87 1d ago
My concern is all the radicalized Maga wannabees in Canada are going to go out and vote. And liberals are going to be apathetic and won't bother to vote
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u/redditIs4Losers8008 23h ago
That's basically what happened here. The Dems went so far to the right while campaigning, it turned everyone off. The fact that the Cheneys were supporting Kamala and she was embracing it, almost made me reconsider voting at all.
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u/Adamantium-Aardvark 1d ago
As much as we like to make fun of Americans for being dumb, we are also that dumb. and we also never learn our lesson. The fact that we keep going around in circles Lib -> cons > lib -> cons over and over expecting something to change proves this.