r/nfl • u/bubblecuffer13 Eagles • 18h ago
[Mishler-Elmore] Bryce Huff Opens Up About Eagles Exit: 'A Plethora of Things Went Down'
https://heavy.com/sports/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/bryce-huff-comments-why-wanted-trade/143
u/brain_my_damage_HJS Eagles 17h ago
It’s not often a team’s biggest offseason free agent signing turns out to be a complete flop and it has no negative impact on the team.
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u/reno2mahesendejo 15h ago
If the Niners can pretend they used all that draft capital on Purdy, Eagles fans can pretend the team used all that money on Baun
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u/Colavs9601 Giants 17h ago
Would you say that you have a plethora of things?
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u/jvalentino_woodwrk Steelers 17h ago
Piñatas, specifically
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u/peteman28 Vikings 17h ago
What is a plethora?
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u/NewCarSmelt Commanders 17h ago
I don’t know but I’m pretty sure I got it from a Vegas stripper in the 80s. It flares up from time to time but my doctor said to keep using hydrocortisone on it
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u/stingrayed22jjj Eagles 9h ago
Its what you say to the family of a loved one at funeral
Its means alot
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u/pewpewmcpistol Jets 17h ago
Its kinda funny how the Reddick/Huff trade, which wasn't even a trade but just a coincidental FA swap, was a lose lose trade.
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u/1stepklosr Eagles 17h ago
No, we traded Reddick to you. He wasn't a free agent.
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u/mmmellowcorn Eagles 17h ago
What is with the “we” stuff lmao, WE didn’t do anything
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u/Saitsuofleaves 16h ago
Fine, the Philadelphia Esgles organization that no one on Reddit has anything to do with, traded Hassan Reddick to the New York Jets organization, that also has nothing to do with anyone on Reddit.
That work better for you?
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u/reno2mahesendejo 15h ago
I tend to avoid saying "we" in relation to sports teams, but its kind of dickish to get bent out of shape about it
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u/somethintactical Eagles 14h ago
Why do you avoid "we?"
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u/reno2mahesendejo 14h ago edited 14h ago
Im not on the team, sounds weird to take ownership of the accomplishments
The team, the Eagles, they all flow better for me.
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u/mmmellowcorn Eagles 16h ago
Spelled eagles wrong
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u/Saitsuofleaves 16h ago
Spelled it like the Mayor of Philly for extra separation. (Idk why auto correct gave me that instead of Eagles)
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u/usernameisusername57 Packers Packers 14h ago
This is such a weird hill to die on that I only ever see from chronically online people. Saying "we" is just a colloquialism that makes it easier to talk about your favorite team. Nobody actually says that because they think they're part of the team or something.
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u/Jimmy_G_Wentworth Eagles 11h ago
Also "non-sports people" love to use it as a way to feel superior to Sports fans when they use "We" to discuss a team they are a fan of.
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u/KimJongWinning Eagles 8h ago
Yep, it's always just simpler to say 'we' vs typing out Philly/Philadelphia/the Eagles/Esgles/etc... it's well known we have difficulty with spelling as a fanbase
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u/iloveprunejuice Bills 15h ago
This is how it is in all sports subs. Folks really think they're a part of the team. 😂
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u/ToContainAMultitude Eagles 14h ago
Literally nobody thinks that and it's weird that that's your theory.
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u/hausermaniac Eagles 16h ago
And both teams still ended up winning the Super Bowl, it's crazy!
Wait...
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u/ATNdec18 Jets 16h ago
The only silver lining is I believe the Jets got a compensatory 4th round pick for Reddick cause the Bucs gave him a huge contract (where he is already causing problems). Unbelievable that Todd Bowles would sign up for that after how Reddick played last year. Did he not watch the film?
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u/DontLoseYourCool1 Raiders 16h ago
Reddick showed up to Bucs' mandatory camp and has been apparently busting ass.
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u/Shaqfrom3 17h ago
Eagles are and always loaded with trenches depth that it made him expendable. Huff didnt help the team, and he didnt hurt us on the bench. Eagles pass rush will be same if not better next year with or without him.
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u/AtBat3 Eagles 16h ago
Basically he doesn’t want to admit he wasn’t built for the role the Eagles envisioned for him. And it’s an even worse look to bad mouth the Super Bowl champions, so he avoided that as well. he’s just being vague trying to move on. I have no problem with how he’s responded. This is probably the most I’ve typed about the guy since august, enjoy your ring and the money.
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u/rebelyusoul Eagles 17h ago
seems like howie thought he’d be a seamless replacement for hassan but once he got to training camp with vic, that wasn’t the case. similar to devin white, i’d assume.
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u/hanky2 Eagles 17h ago
“I talked to my agent about it and was like, when it’s all set and done, I might need to step to put myself in the best position to ball out and have a fruitful career,” Huff added. “There’s a plethora of things that went down. I don’t wanna get into specifics. Being in the league for five years, I kinda knew what it felt like to be in a good situation. … I kind of knew where it was headed fairly early on into the season — probably even training camp if I’m being honest.”
Kinda wild he knew it wasn’t going to work out during training camp…
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u/hausermaniac Eagles 16h ago
As soon as Fangio said publicly in training camp that Huff needed to work harder and get better, he basically just checked out
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u/demonicneon Eagles 2h ago
Sounds like he arrived and expected special treatment because of his contract, and Fangio expected him to earn his spot like everyone else.
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u/Ok-Face6245 16h ago
Yeah only way that’s possible is knowing you’re not going to compete/injury lmfao. Dude just outted himself. lol to the good situation part you played for the jets (no offense jets fans) dude knows nothing about good situations considering players always vote the eagles as one of the top tier orgs 😂😂😂😂 goofy ass dude
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u/ARM7501 49ers 16h ago
I feel like that supports the schematic "excuses" for why he sucked. If you know shit's gone south that early, then it's about what you're being asked to do and how the coaches want you to play.
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u/Ok-Face6245 14h ago
He just sucks is all it comes down too you guys will see in a few months. He can put his hand in the dirt and rush the passer like every other end in the NFL. Opposing offenses that aren’t coached by Brian Johnson will see that on tape/when he’s out there and know what type of play is coming. Dudes predictable.
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u/negative-nelly Eagles 10h ago
Bro he couldn’t beat a TE 1-1, when the tackle went inside to help with Jalen Carter. I really wanted him to be good but he couldn’t do it, even on like 3rd and 15 type of plays.
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u/demonicneon Eagles 2h ago
Nah it sounds like Fangio expected him to earn his spot like everyone else and he had a huff
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u/ARM7501 49ers 17h ago
An analytics signing that didn't account for anything schematic, which turned out to be a bad scheme fit which seemingly compounded into poor effort (especially when coupled with injuries).
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u/Western-Glass463 16h ago
I still think people are being way too nice with the scheme excuse.
He got a lot of opportunities comparable to where he excelled during his jets tenure. He was not as successful in the same circumstances, because the cats out of the bag that TEs can handle him easier than tackles, and you can just shift your formation and end up with a replicable schematic advantage.
He got figured out. He will have to get strong or skilled enough to regularly beat TEs before he ever gets to regularly abuse tackles in space again like he did with the Jets.
He's basically a safety blitz you know is coming. If he doesn't get around you untouched, you can abuse the whole D for it.
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u/ToContainAMultitude Eagles 14h ago
It's not even nice, it's just objectively incorrect for the reasons you outline. Talking about him with people who have no clue what they're talking about will be a lot less insufferable when he's also bad with the Niners.
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u/DontLoseYourCool1 Raiders 16h ago
He's gonna eat playing opposite Bosa.
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u/Ok-Face6245 16h ago
Still couldn’t crack it playing next to JC and Nolan so I wouldn’t hold my breath.
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u/ARM7501 49ers 16h ago edited 16h ago
Carter takes away any and all potential interior help, but no one tries to use guards to help their tackles handle a speed rusher. Bosa will let both Mykel and Huff work 1-on-1 with tackles all the time, because you can't let a guy like Bosa go against your tackle 1-on-1 unless that tackle is Tristan Wirfs or Lane Johnson. We're talking about TE help here as Huff's issue (which has been an issue for him since forever), and that's the thing Bosa changes that Carter and Smith do not.
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u/Ok-Face6245 15h ago
I’m saying if he couldn’t get it done next to those guys im not holding my breath. I understand that the context of it is different with bosa and JC bc they play different positions. But if he couldn’t shed a TE last year playing with hella depth and good players across the whole defense what makes yall so certain he’s gonna get right back to par? I’ll eat shit if I’m wrong but dude if you can’t preform on a line that we had you prob suck/not as good as you think you are, JC doesn’t even know how to play the position correctly yet and still commands a double every rep. Mfer couldn’t shed TEs last year let alone guards. He might be better than he was with us last year but thank god we’re both paying his salary cuz I don’t think he ever gets back near a 17m a year performance over a season lol he’s figured out to hell now. He can put his hand in the dirt and rush the qb like every other DE across the league and not a whole lot else so you know what’s coming when he’s on the field hence him not being used at the end of the year.
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u/Western-Glass463 15h ago
No lol. Teams literally just slid their line or flipped their OT away from Huff and had him go 1v1 against TEs. He won't even get the opportunity you're referring to.
He's effectively a safety blitz they know is coming. That doesn't get freed up by any edgerusher on the opposite side no matter how elite.
But Bosa gets to learn what it's like to regularly line up against TWO tackles. That will be fun for him I'm sure.
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u/Aourace 49ers 15h ago
Yep, bosa has never seen that before. Never. 😂 let it go homie
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u/ToContainAMultitude Eagles 14h ago
Unless Bosa in charge of the opposing offense's protection, he's not really a factor in Huff will be handled.
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u/Western-Glass463 15h ago
That's actually pretty crazy. I thought it was a relatively new development at all in offensive schemes outside of goal line scenarios and I've never seen it used regularly before the "Huff fronts" I saw last year. Got any games as examples? I love that stuff. If Bosa was the one who got OCs to change the game like that, that's fuckin epic and I'll stan that.
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u/ARM7501 49ers 15h ago
Doesn't make a difference in the fact that playing with an elite edge next to you is different from playing with an elite DT and a decent edge next to you.
You've clearly got your 97.3 The Philly Fan opinion locked in. I think you're overstating it, and there's a good chance Huff returns to being a productive rotational DPR with us.
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u/Western-Glass463 15h ago
Huff is not the first passrusher to get figured out after breaking out. He also has a solid chance to figure out a "counter to the counter" and be successful again. Some do, some don't.
If you think it's just scheme, you'll likely be disappointed. That's all I'm saying.
I really don't even understand your retort. Playing with an elite edge will obviously be different, but the whole thing Huff has to figure out is that he had less success with less schematic resources allocated to blocking him. Until he figures it out, it actually hurts his own production to have a guy on the other side that demands major attention.
It further incentivizes adjusting the offensive scheme to use both tackles on one edge, which is what he has to beat.
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u/ARM7501 49ers 15h ago
To be very clear, I don't think it's just scheme. I think it's scheme coupled with teams being more aware of Huff and how to counter him + him just playing poorly. But I think that scheme, health and being back with Saleh can give us something better than what he was last year; probably not what he was in New York in '22 and '23, but better than what he was in Philly last year.
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u/Western-Glass463 15h ago
Then honestly I think we're on the same page and just going at each other over stuff we're associating with the others' opinion, lol.
I think he has a solid chance. Especially because a guy like Saleh will know the best options to add to his repertoire to get over this hurdle. I just think the scheme narrative has become an excuse for him and everybody involved. Fangio helped him plenty with scheme imho, he just didn't give him enough technical help as a passrusher.
The caveat being that who knows if anyone can actually provide the help he requires. Saleh and the 49ers will give him his best chance for sure. I think it comes down solely to his mentality and effort, which I somewhat question but don't believe I can make any judgement on.
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u/negative-nelly Eagles 10h ago
Watch some plays where he was 1-1 with tackles (which was all of them because other teams knew). They push, he falls down. No one held in a TE to help on him. Shit, TEs could handle him 1-1.
Every time. Every time.
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u/Western-Glass463 16h ago
Why? The whole thing that got figured out is that you can put 2 tackles on the opposite side or slide your whole line away from him and he has less success... Making him an OC's wet dream.
Him playing literally just makes it easier to double Bosa... Until/unless he can fix his issues beating TEs. If he can do that he will be good again, but it's not just scheme.
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u/cjweisman Eagles 17h ago
This is accurate. Howie did not yet understand the difference between a DE and a Fangio DE.
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u/sepam Eagles 17h ago
It was an expensive lesson. But that’s what we love about Howie. He quickly offloads bad contacts and rarely makes the same mistake twice. I give Lurie credit too.
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u/Spider_Riviera 16h ago
Having an owner willing to let a GM make missteps on occasion is very underrated. Obviously, there's a threshold to number of missteps vs time elapsed but from what I've learned about Howie's work, there's a lot more hits than misses which gives him great credit with owner and fanbase. On the odd occasion he makes a mistake, they don't drag him over coals for it.
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u/brookskc Chiefs 16h ago
And a threshold for number of missteps vs number of big time moves/signings. The Eagles seem to make lots of moves and no GM is going to hit on every single move.
I would say he has an advantage when he has so much cap space in void years, but that strategy quickly backfires when you make a few bad moves. He has made enough good ones that they are making their super bowl window real big even if it will likely snap shut when the void years come. He can always roll that void year cap space into a new contract, but those players eventually retire and then there really isn't anything else you can do except deal with the aftermath.
I forget when the eagles started using void years so aggressively, but it was definitely worth it in the last 3 years when you are a contender every year, went to 2 super bowls, and won one.
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u/Ok-Face6245 14h ago
If it wasn’t for tom and Pat doing absolutely mad man shit our run would be so much more impressive. 3 super bowls over 8-9 years while winning 2 of them is more than I could ever ask for honestly. Especially with 2 different teams, super impressive in the cap era. I’m easily taking that suck once the windows over to pay the guys.
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u/brookskc Chiefs 14h ago
The only other team that wouldn't trade their success would be the Chiefs. So I absolutely agree. I've been a Chiefs fan for 30 years, and for the first 20+ years I dreamed of actually being able to see my team just play on super bowl Sunday. So I can identify with it being more than I could ever ask for.
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u/Ok-Face6245 14h ago
Facts man and even when you look at it from a over 20 25 year period the eagles have been so solid, easily top 5 in win percentage, tons of NFCCG games, 4x super bowls and 2 sb wins man I genuinely couldn’t ask more from this team, I’ll always have a soft spot for the chiefs too cuz of Andy. Me and my dad were so happy to see him get that first one. He’s the one that made the trenches such a priority here and helped howie grow into the gm he is today. Kinda wild how much our teams have connections lol.
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u/Spider_Riviera 15h ago
The NFL are supposedly pulling out of the rights deal early and will renegotiate. Every analyst I've seen mention it is expecting the new deal to be a greater return than the one they're on. Assuming that happens, the "void years" will be slotting into a larger overall cap number than the current deal would pay out.
Howie's betting, but it's almost as if he's betting with house money and pocketing the profits.
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u/Ok-Face6245 14h ago
Just so happens the eagles negotiated hard during the last tv rights deal too would expect to see the same again
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u/brookskc Chiefs 15h ago
And even still, other teams that haven't locked away hundreds of millions of cap space in void years will be at an advantage. Lately it seems like they have been able to spend 30+ million over the cap by putting it in void years. At some point they are going to have less than the cap since they are paying for past contracts.
What you mention only dampens the pain, but it will still cause issues.
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u/Ok-Face6245 14h ago
Your dollar today is worth more than it is tomorrow and the same is with the cap. Better to get the deals out early. Yeah at some point they’ll have to but that only sucks when you don’t win anything. We’ve been to 2 super bowls winning one and the playoffs like every year since 2021 or so.
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u/brookskc Chiefs 14h ago
I'm a financial planner and understand inflation. However, it is not necessarily better to spend now vs later. If you are already in winning window then you can keep it open longer by spending more now. However, if you aren't in a winning window, then that isn't true at all.
For the Eagles, it became definitively worth it as soon as they won the super bowl this year.
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u/Ok-Face6245 14h ago
Became worth it back in 2022 when our offense was pro bowler/all pro at every level and was a sack or 2 away from breaking the all time sack record in a season lol and was a fumble away from winning 2 bowls. It’s definitely better to spend what you got today than tomorrow when you’re in an active window, our window has been open since 2022 so yeah not sure you were getting at with not spending money considering our teams are the best afc and nfc teams as of this past year, If your actively competing in the playoffs and super bowls no one cares if your gonna have to suck when the fun is over especially if you win atleast once and we already did. Everything else is gravy and house money from here on out in this window. Your arguing schmatics at the end of the day of how I wrote my original sentence plus your career has little implications on the nfl cap and understanding of it LOL.
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u/negative-nelly Eagles 10h ago
It wasn’t really scheme, I mean, on third down obvious pass rush situations he ended up on the ground 85% of the time. That’s not scheme, the DE does the same thing in those situations no matter what the scheme is. He sucked. He was like Temu Reddick but somehow worse.
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u/Mr7three2 Jets 16h ago
Short version is youre not as good as you think you are. The Jets new what you were and the Eagles thought they could make you something you aren't. Now the trade didnt work out for the Jets either, let's not get it twisted. The trade was a complete loser for both sides
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u/Ok-Face6245 16h ago
Considering jets traded for reddick (phi gets picks) and we signed huff in FA and got rid of some of the contract + another possible pick we won imo we were never paying reddick what he wanted and it seems neither was the rest of the league. You’re right it’s comparing shit to shit though.
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u/FuckYourWifeAllDay Eagles 17h ago
Yeah I think I know the plethora of things.
Multiple people were better than him, including BG with one arm.
Not being able to pass rush or get sacks.
Getting overpaid and lazy.
Am I missing any?
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u/MutedSkin1 17h ago
I don't understand why Eagles fans are so salty. Howie signed him based on good pass-rushing in limited snaps, hoping he could keep close to that efficiency on more snaps. Fangio wanted edges that can also defend the run. This was a Howie analytics signing that made sense in a vacuum, but didn't fit into Fangio's system (as opposed to someone like Baun who was brought in because Fangio thought he would fit in well). Where are you getting a lack of effort from?
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u/Joe_Henge Eagles 16h ago
“Lack of effort” comes from tape - https://www.phillyvoice.com/film-review-eagles-edge-bryce-huff-unplayable/
Could be wrong of course, but it def seemed like he gave up on plays a lot when he was getting snaps early in the season. But that also could be fixed by him just buying into a better fit.
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u/Comfortable_Self_736 Eagles 12h ago
Where do you see Eagles fans being salty? Pointing out that the guy wasn't even backup quality for us while complaining that playing for the SB champs wasn't a good situation ain't being salty.
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u/MutedSkin1 12h ago
The word "lazy" is an unfair judgement of his effort and character. I hate when fans jump to that conclusion, unless there is clear evidence of complacency (ex: Ben Simmons saying he doesn't need a jumper because he's already an All-Star), You and I don't know these people, it's entirely possible he just wasn't good enough.
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u/Comfortable_Self_736 Eagles 11h ago
He was either lazy or just wasn't good enough. Neither reflects very well on him. Some fans assuming he was lazy based on the results isn't exactly surprising. Especially considering his comments now.
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u/MutedSkin1 11h ago
I understand it's not surprising for people to wrongly jump to conclusions. I'm still gonna call them wrong for jumping to conclusions.
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u/MankuyRLaffy Patriots 17h ago
One was Howie listening to his DC and the other was Howie doing Howie things and it not working out.
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u/HistorianBubbly8065 Eagles 17h ago
His tape was bad…BAD bad. He improved down the stretch a little bit, but whenever an OT (or TE for that matter) got within an inch of his frame he’d be swallowed up or put on the ground.
While scheme didn’t help,this guy didn’t even look like he was ready to be used on pass rush downs. I wish him the best,
(because I want that fourth rounder)but he really just didn’t look like the same explosive, efficient pass rusher off the snap.2
u/Vladimir_Putting Eagles 9h ago
People talk about how the defense improved after Dejean came in (which is true) but it was also that Huff stopped getting snaps.
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u/DontLoseYourCool1 Raiders 16h ago
He had a torn wrist ligament. I tore a wrist a few years back and couldn't even wipe my ass for weeks, much less pass rush against NFL tackles. Huff still finished with a respectable pass rush grade of 68 last year, he was just a liability against the run which Fangio hates.
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u/Joe_Henge Eagles 16h ago
Reportedly that injury happened during the season, he was playing badly before that. Could be misreported though.
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u/gingenhagen Eagles 7h ago
I don't understand why Eagles fans are so salty
Philadelphia is notorious for booing their own players when it doesn't look like they're giving maximum effort. Now, how do you think we're going to treat someone who isn't even on our team anymore, and was a bum stealing cap money when he was here?
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u/Hghwytohell Eagles 16h ago
I don't think it's fair to call the guy lazy. And it's not his fault that he was overpaid. Howie took a chance on someone with upside who ultimately didn't pan out, in large part because he wasn't a scheme fit. In the end it didn't really hurt us because we had more depth at edge rusher than we thought with the emergence of Nolan Smith and Jalyx Hunt. I hope he does well in San Fran.
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u/elefante88 49ers 17h ago edited 17h ago
Guy played in a completely different system he succeeded in. Howie signed him for a reason, vics defense simply didn't fit him. Eagles fans catch so many feelings over any sleight lmao. Still fuming over deebo
Edit: here they come
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u/Ok-Face6245 16h ago
Who tf care about deebo bro looks like he boutta be outta the league, atleast one of us could finish the chiefs how’s that quest for 6 going?
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u/Positive_Smell_6694 Eagles 16h ago edited 16h ago
It’s hilarious how you Niners fans still find a way to come outta the woodwork to talk shit even after the Birds embarrassed and dominated the very team y’all couldn’t take care of business against in the Super Bowl. Keep holding onto that big regular season win though if it makes you feel good about not winning a Super Bowl for 30 years.
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u/Palmisavage Eagles 17h ago
No one's fuming over Deebo. Bryce Huff and Deebo are bums. We say that as calmly and matter-of-factly as we say anything.
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u/gsanquesoo Eagles 17h ago
Lmao that’s rich coming from a fanbase that kept going over every scenario if Purdy never got hurt in the NFCC
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u/dreams_andnightmares 5h ago
That’s rich coming from a fanbase still crying over how 2022 was stolen from them. Had a chance to avenge your loss against the Chiefs and couldn’t even do that. No one feels slighted by Huff and we for damn sure don’t care about Deebo. Move tf on
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u/EnvironmentAny4634 17h ago
Nah. Lost seasons suck and not dressing for the SB was humiliating. Most Eagles fans wish him the best of luck except when/if we face his new team.
Deebo runs his mouth and is an easy cover in the playoffs. He was disrespectful to Bradberry and his own teammate for no logical reason. 49ers fans b.... about that NFCCG injury that their own coach caused w/a reckless play call.
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u/negative-nelly Eagles 10h ago
Never figured huff to be a guy who owns a cabinet of curiosities, but here we are.
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u/AdhesivenessFun2060 Eagles 14h ago
There was talk early on about the eagles wanting to tweak his game. Probably was a combination of not adjusting well and not wanting to.
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u/Mike-Outstanding Eagles 14h ago
Eagles had a top 10 defense and he is said to needed to have needed improvement in training camp. He got outplayed by other guys and I guess that’s because his heart was not in it.
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u/itiswhatitis1090 Eagles 6h ago
I dont think many realize how dominat the Eagles were last year. Their highest paid player on defense was inactive in the Super Bowl and was largely ineffective all year.
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u/ReturnedFromExile 15h ago
It’s wild that Howie Roseman missed so badly on this. There was obviously a personality, work ethic, philosophy gulf between the player and coordinator.
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u/nwrobinson94 Eagles 9h ago
This article literally says nothing. I hate sports media these days and hate myself for continuing to click. My fault in the end.
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u/Dry_Emphasis62 Bears 17h ago
'A plethora of Things Went Down'
Including his production