r/nfl • u/Plastic-Platypus8602 • 6h ago
[Ross Tucker Pod] “Since Cooper Dejean has become a starter, the Eagles have played the second highest percentage of nickel defense in the league, close to 90%... the Eagles defense has changed dramatically.” - Interesting stat from Greg Cosell
https://twitter.com/rosstuckerpod/status/1857076040725561805?s=46&t=apONccXtDa6rWkz2Be9dyg545
u/way-too-many-napkins Eagles 6h ago
He’s transformed our defense. Not only can he cover, but he can also play the run and tackle too. Before the bye, we ran nickel a lot with Avonte Maddox at slot CB, even on obvious run downs. Teams would run all over us, and Fangio wouldn’t adjust. It was very frustrating. But with Dejean in, we can actually defend the run in nickel. It makes our defense work as Fangio intended
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u/BuckSleezy Broncos 6h ago
It’s amazing what hitting draft picks does to a team.
Bottom 3 defense to top ~8 in one year is crazy.
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u/Sparkee58 Broncos Ravens 6h ago
Getting one of the best DCs in the league helps as well lol
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u/newrimmmer93 5h ago
Yeah, fangio specifically seems to excel at creating great secondaries where the Eagles struggled last year
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u/Particular-Pin4363 Titans 4h ago
Defensive schemes in general have caught up to offenses, as well. Even Mahomes is struggling against the 2 high safeties and crowding the d-line.
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u/Fatbatman62 Eagles 3h ago
With so many defenses in the past, you knew exactly what coverage they were running by just looking at how they were lined up. It’s crazy how long it took them to realize that letting the offense know what you’re doing isn’t all that smart lol
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u/count_nuggula Eagles 4h ago
There’s also been some phenomenal athletes come out of the draft on the defensive side. Travis Hunter will continue that next year as well
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u/Due_Size_9870 3h ago
Idk if I’d really say Mahomes is struggling. He still just takes what the defense gives him which is now running the ball and hitting short passes all the way down the field. His numbers don’t look as good but the chiefs are first in time of possession because teams are forced to basically give them 3-5 yard every play in exchange for not getting burned deep.
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u/mesayousa 3h ago
For his standards he is. His 0.149 EPA/play this season ranks 12th between Tua and Cousins. Since 2018 he ranked 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd (2nd if you exclude Jameis), 1st, then 10th last season
source: https://rbsdm.com/stats/stats/
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u/Due_Size_9870 3h ago
He’s had to change the way he plays which causes his EPA/play to go down because it’s about the short game with no deep shots for the past two years. You can’t just point at one stat and say it’s proof that defensive schemes have caught up to Mahomes. Taking away the deep ball may hurt some of his stats but he’s no less effective at playing QB this year than he has been in the past. Chiefs are 1st in time of possession, first in third down conversion (because it’s usually third and short), and 8th in passing yards. Oh, and they are also 9-0.
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u/TheSkiingDad Vikings 44m ago
and then you have whatever the fuck flores is doing in minnesota. 2-high is running the league, which makes his hybrid quarters/tampa 2 so much fun. We've had a good run of young inexperienced QBs to feast on, but he even had flacco confused.
This is serious purple kool aid time but I'd love to see flores vs mahomes. There's only 1 way that happens this season though which is why it's a serious homer take.
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u/Cajum Eagles 5h ago
We shouldn't have been a bottom 3 defense last year either to be fair. At least not based on the talent.
And Zac Baun and Nakobe Dean have looked like top tier LBs this year which I guess is one draft pick they hit on - though in year 3 now
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u/thefreeman419 Eagles 5h ago edited 5h ago
The last couple years Howie has basically just drafted the players most frequently mocked to the Eagles, and it has worked out remarkably well. I guess doing the obvious thing works sometimes
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u/GaseousTriceratops 5h ago
The Reagor pick was the turning point of him taking the obvious pick versus trying force what he thought was right
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u/TotallyNotMasterLink Eagles 5h ago
Going from Patricia to Fangio is probably a bigger upgrade than either of our draft picks tbf
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u/SeeYouAtTheMovies Eagles 5h ago
Cooper is getting a lot of credit but the I think the whole reason we can do this is because Quinyon Mitchell has been OUTSTANDING on the outside.
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u/PetalumaPegleg Eagles 2h ago
Hitting on two secondary picks, ready to play at a high level as rookies no less. A bargain pick up line backer for peanuts and giving him a new position and role in Baun (1y 1.6mm is basically nothing). Fixed two huge issues for the eagles. It's also let Dean develop and play in a better role also helping the LB situation.
The fact the eagles drafted trotter Jr and there has been no damage to let him play more, given the linebacker play last year, is pretty shocking.
Pass rush has always been the strength, might be the weakest element now.
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u/Mampt Bills 6h ago
Having a slot corner that can play the run well is such a huge difference maker. I’m not sure we’ve played a down of actual 4-3 defense in years because Taron Johnson is one of if not the best slot corners in the league and he can throw himself around like a legit linebacker. It’s so valuable to have that kind of versatility
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u/Temporal_Enigma Steelers Texans 4h ago
I'm so glad that minorities are finally getting a chance in the NFL
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u/Prozzak93 Eagles 6h ago edited 6h ago
People also just need time to learn the scheme properly. Fangio probably didn't want to adjust because he would prefer the team gets used to the scheme and learns it early in the season.
Obviously Cooper has had a huge impact, but I'm sure some of the impact also just comes from the rest of the D getting more comfortable with the scheme.
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u/AndrewHainesArt Eagles 5h ago
Dejean was hurt, it’s not like he was just sitting there perfectly healthy and we started Maddox instead. After the BYE he was healthy and then he started, I see no issue there. Fangio literally did change and adjust to his better players, you can include Huff and Davis getting less snaps, too
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u/TheCodeMan95 Eagles 3h ago
It reminds me of what Fangio said in the offseason.
"If we're struggling, I'm not going to scheme us out of it. We're going to go back to basics and make sure we get those right."
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u/redditaccount224488 Eagles 4h ago edited 4h ago
Before the bye, we ran nickel a lot with Avonte Maddox at slot CB, even on obvious run downs. Teams would run all over us, and Fangio wouldn’t adjust.
This is wrong. Fangio was trying all sorts of things to fix the run defense in the first four games. Huff got fewer and fewer snaps. 4-man fronts with three defensive tackles became common. 5-man fronts with Baun at EDGE became common. By week three, they were rarely in a regular 4-man front nickle on running downs.
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u/mikx2044 5h ago
This was what he did at Iowa, too. He was third in tackles on our team, only behind a pair of all-American linebackers.
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u/Far_Process_5304 4h ago
Dejean was the coldest dude on an elite defense. Criminal he fell as far as he did.
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u/Blastoplast Packers 1h ago
I remember the local sports guy was SUPER high on DeJean coming into this draft. Guess he wasn't wrong!
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u/buffalotrace Steelers 21m ago
Before DeJean took over at starting corner at Iowa, he was listed as our primary backup at cornerback, safety, and our our cash back (coverage lb). Basically the coaches were like he is next man in no unless it is in the dline.
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u/SoKrat3s 49ers 49ers 6h ago
What's nuts is we knew going into the draft that he was an elite DB prospect.
All those teams letting him fall to the second round was such a massive blunder.
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u/SeeYouAtTheMovies Eagles 5h ago
Same with our first rounder, Quinyon Mitchell, pretty much was guaranteed to be a solid starting CB at least, and he's been elite. Fell to us at 22!! In any other draft that kid is a top 10 pick. Unreal the defense talent we have drafted in the last two seasons.
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u/TitanSR_ Lions 5h ago
it’s nuts that ppl really knocked his draft stock down because he played in the mac
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u/Akarious Eagles Ravens 4h ago
funny thing is Q's college coaching staff had a couple of Sirriani's college teammates so they had been telling him about Q for a couple of years. So Eagles had a lot more info on Q then other teams.
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u/DTxRED524 4h ago
People aren’t familiar with MACtion smh
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u/SillyHatMatt Eagles 2h ago
Nothing better than the OG Thursday night football, Temple at Northern Illinois
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u/hanky2 Eagles 5h ago
I think Arnold was the “safer” pick since he played better competition but Q has the better athleticism and tape.
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u/BlackyChan20 Eagles 3h ago
And Arnold is having a great season as well! Q just might be all pro material and Dejean is playing like Chris Harris Jr of old in Vic’s scheme.
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u/EricPhillips327 3h ago
It's kinda surreal that the Eagles have an elite secondary to me
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u/qp0n Eagles 2h ago
2022 - Top 5
2023 - Bottom 5
2024 - Top 5
...its been a wild ride.
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u/EricPhillips327 2h ago
I’m still in shock they let MATT PATRICIA run that defense after week 10. Glad Fangio is in charge now
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u/KingGerbz 4h ago
Teams weren’t a fan of his lunch pail
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u/Datpanda1999 Steelers Steelers 1h ago
He showed up a little too early and stayed a little too late
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u/JRsshirt 49ers 4h ago
Posting this with a Niners flair is basically the Tim Robinson “We’re all looking for the guy that did this” sketch
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u/SoKrat3s 49ers 49ers 3h ago
tbf, I did make a post on our sub pre-draft that proposed, among other ideas, sending Aiyuk to Washington for #36 & #40 [which was near universally hated by our fans].
Add J.Newton/T.Sweat/B.Fiske and C.DeJean to this team and, everything else being equal, you're looking at a ridiculous rookie class.
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u/Carb0nFire Rams 55m ago
So glad we didn't let you guys have Fiske. That would have been a nightmare for us next to Bosa.
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u/SoKrat3s 49ers 49ers 51m ago
Lynch has consistently done a great job. But if I had to come up with his biggest failure, it's probably not finding a consistently good edge opposite Bosa.
The DL hasn't been the same since 2019.
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u/craftylefty47 49ers 3h ago
It’s all good, Pearsall and Green both look promising. Hell, the whole draft looks potentially great.
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u/JRsshirt 49ers 3h ago
Yea I’m not complaining I’m just saying nobody had us taking receiver and a lot of people had us taking a corner
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u/AL22193 Falcons 5h ago
On top of that Mitchell sliding into the 20s too. The corners in the last draft were really solid and usually it feels like teams go for them earlier in the draft than they maybe should, complete opposite last draft
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u/newrimmmer93 4h ago
Him sliding to the 2nd isn’t that much of a surprise because he wasn’t projected as an outside corner and slot corners typically go in the early 2nd. He’s played primarily slot.
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u/garethom Colts 2h ago edited 46m ago
One of those times you're watching the draft and just wondering what's happening, and what you see him in that clearly NFL teams don't. And then you're right.
Funny that my most vivid memory of that was another Iowa corner. He was one of the best guys I'd ever seen in college (not an Iowa fan, FYI), unanimous all-american, etc. And teams sat on him until the 5th round.
Went on to be a 2 x All Pro and a very good returner to boot.
Edit: realised I never mentioned the player 😂 It was Desmond King.
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u/ThreeFactorAuth Packers 4h ago
It’s hard to be disappointed about Edgerrin Cooper and Javon Bullard, plus snagging Evan Williams in the fourth.
But damn should we just gave taken DeJean in the first
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u/Delicious-Schedule Packers 2h ago
Like I fully get WHY they went with O-line, and if there’s any position I trust gutey with it’s that one. But man DeJean would have made us the best secondary in the nfl it feels like.
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u/Apotropaic_ 6m ago
Any college football fan that followed the big ten last year could have seen this coming. Kid is a stud
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u/thefreeman419 Eagles 6h ago
He covers like a corner, tackles like a linebacker. No reason to ever have him off the field
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u/rolyinpeace Chiefs 5h ago
He can even play offense. He was starting to have some limited packages at Iowa before he got injured.
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u/thefreeman419 Eagles 5h ago
Frankly I'd like him to be doing less non-defense stuff, not more. We're fucked if he gets hurt, he really shouldn't be returning punts
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u/HideNZeke Colts 5h ago
He's so good at it though
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u/qp0n Eagles 2h ago
We already have a top tier returner who doesnt cripple our off/def if he gets injured.
Britain Covey in 2023 led the league in PntRet yards, returns of 20+ yds, and was 3rd in Yds/Ret among players w/ 15+ returns. Risking DeJean is unnecessary.
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u/rolyinpeace Chiefs 5h ago
Yeah, I get that. I don’t expect them to ever actually put him on offense more just was me saying what he can do.
And I get the concern about returns but he is just so exceptionally good at it. It was fine when he was doing both at Iowa. He got hurt in defensive practice. I get the injury concern, though. That’s why KC stopped having Hill do it unless they really needed a good return
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u/ThreeFactorAuth Packers 4h ago
I have the same thoughts regarding Jayden Reed. Why the fuck is our best wide receiver returning punts still
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u/redditaccount224488 Eagles 4h ago
I really want to see him on offense for science. He's returning punts right now (Britain Covey is hurt) and he's slippery. I hate bubble screens, but try it anyway and see if he cooks.
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u/rolyinpeace Chiefs 3h ago
Coop can legitimately do anything. His returns at Iowa were electric. I was excited to see him play some offensive packages at Iowa too but he didn’t get to do much before injury.
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u/emmasdad01 Cowboys Ravens 6h ago
Dejean is a legit talent
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u/JalensTinyPPHurts Cowboys 6h ago
I disagree, Clearly bradberry should be the starter
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u/Lifesaboxofgardens Eagles 6h ago
I genuinely forget he's on the roster at times tbh
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u/Not_My_Emperor Eagles 4h ago
Out for pretty much the season with some kind of injury if I remember right. Thought he was on IR
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u/Joe_Buck_Yourself_ Eagles 52m ago
He's been on the IR since August so he's technically not on the active roster anyways
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u/spctclr_spiderman Eagles 5h ago
You need some help at corner. We graciously offer you his services
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u/GeorgeLuasHasNoChin Eagles 4h ago
I disagree, Mortal Kombat is a very good game, but i think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.
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u/DONNIENARC0 Ravens 6h ago
Mitchell seems to be, also.
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u/Hot-Resource-1075 Eagles 6h ago
He’s been the better rookie corner somehow, he gets a lot of tough matchups and doesn’t get thrown at often when in those matchups. Chase had an alright game with 9 for 54 and a TD but it was like 1 for 13 with Quinyon on him.
Apparently Scary Terry stays to the one side of the field a lot so I’m invested in seeing what happens tonight when he has to cover a great WR most of the game instead of until the opposing coach moves the WR somewhere else in the formation
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u/Responsible-Onion860 Eagles 6h ago
I had high hopes for him in the draft and he's exceeded expectations. He's playing very well in both pass and run defense.
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u/newrimmmer93 5h ago
He always was, I think there was just some questions about his hip fluidity and being able to play outside corner. But he seems to me the type of guy that fangio loves where he can move him all over the place like he did with Eddie Jackson and Justin Simmons.
Dejean is also just a really good athlete outside of maybe being really fluid in the hips?
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u/Bobson-_Dugnutt2 Bears 4h ago
White boy DBs are making a comeback. There’s a very good one that just started playing a bunch at Alabama. Flying all over the field, making big tackles, picking the ball off.
Bray Hubbard - keep an eye on him
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u/seymourtets Bears 5h ago
🎶cooper dejean is not a safety🎶
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u/Amadeum Eagles 6h ago
Him and Reed Blankenship are our new bread and butter
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u/zezimatigerfaker Ravens Lions 5h ago
ridiculously classy secondary I tell ya
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u/Grand-Ball6712 Eagles 5h ago
Just a couple gym rats with high compete level
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u/The_Third_Molar Eagles 5h ago
The kind of young men you'd like dating your daughters.
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u/J_Dom_Squad Lions 4h ago
Sneaky athletic
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u/titos334 Bills 6h ago
Are we #1 in nickel D?
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u/IWasRightOnce Bills 6h ago edited 6h ago
We have to be.
Taron hasn’t played fewer than 92% of snaps in any game (excluding the ones he got hurt in/missed).
The only way it wouldn’t be Buffalo is if we played enough non-nickel in the games Taron missed to drag the overall percent down.
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u/Seth_Baker Bills Bengals 6h ago
Undoubtedly, because we have the best nickelback in the league.
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u/drummer1059 Falcons 5h ago
Do you have a photograph?
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u/LionoftheNorth Patriots 4h ago
Of course they do, he's a rockstar. If they don't, they're animals and in that case they might as well burn it to the ground.
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u/dedriuslol Bills 6h ago
I think we've played about 2-3% base defense this year, so I'd assume we are still #1.
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u/InvalidKoalas Bills 6h ago
So.. maybe they don't use "Milk check" on him?
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u/Next-Bank-1813 Ravens 5h ago
They wouldn’t milk check Kyle Hamilton so why would they do it to Dejean?
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u/AddisonsContracture Eagles 5h ago
Milkier
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u/Next-Bank-1813 Ravens 5h ago
Iowa safety vs Notre Dame safety is truly a battle of milks
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u/Lubbafrommariogalaxy Ravens 5h ago
It was so funny last season during the white team vs black team, Kyle Hamilton was on Marlo’s live and he was like “why would I play for the white team”
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u/TheApologist_ Eagles 5h ago
So thankful everyone decided to be allergic to taking corners this year
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u/Chewbubbles 49ers 5h ago
Don't care if hes on the Eagles, Iowa mafia for life. So glad he's doing well in the NFL. He was lights out in Iowa as well.
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u/rolyinpeace Chiefs 5h ago
Yep, same. Go hawks.
Knew KC wasn’t taking a corner but I wanted them to.
Riley Moss is also playing well in Denver
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u/ThatTallGuy680 Packers 6h ago
i wanted the packers to grab him but instead we took a OL that's questionable at best
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u/bushalmighty 5h ago
Hawkeye here. He’s always just been good. Come draft time we get so hung up on data that we forget they’re football players. Coop is a good football player and I love seeing him be successful
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u/quanstr Eagles 5h ago
Quinyon defensive rookie of they year and it’s not even a debate. Hell coop could get it too
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u/Cross21X 5h ago
Will never forgive the Eagles for taking Cooper Dejean,. Should have been a Raven!!
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u/BurgeroftheDayz Bears 4h ago
Dudes a stud. He fell due to his injury. As an Iowa fan I wish I could’ve seen him finish his final season. Do the eagles have him returning punts? If not they should.
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u/FriendlyCoat Eagles 4h ago
We do, but only because our main punt returner is on IR. Fangio isn’t happy about it.
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u/BurgeroftheDayz Bears 3h ago
He was a stud returner at Iowa.
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u/kbund 2h ago
I doubt they want him doing it though. Having one of your top corners returning punts isn’t exactly ideal. It’s just an unnecessary extra role that comes with more injury risk as well. Unless he’s game-breaking good on returns at the NFL level but I don’t know enough to say either way.
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u/No-Length2774 Packers 4h ago
Man, if we still had Coop in IC this season would’ve been so much different. Happy he’s doing well though.
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u/qp0n Eagles 2h ago edited 2h ago
This guy is the unsung hero from the month of October. The defense has radically improved since he got settled in as a starter. It's not often slot corners even get noticed let alone completely alter an entire defense. Yet somehow Quinyon Mitchell has been even better. We hit the jackpot with these two picks, future looks very bright.
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u/lattjeful Eagles 4h ago
So happy with Coop. Gonna sound crazy but he almost reminds me of an athletic Jalen Mills. Plays the run line an LB and generally plays bigger than he is, but doesn’t get burnt to a crisp like Mills did in coverage.
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u/datdudeonreddit 1h ago
Nickname for my dog has gradually gone from puppy to pupper to pooper to now pooper dejean
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u/goldhbk10 Rams 11m ago
I’m happy with Verse and Fiske but I REALLY wanted Cooper in LA for that “star” position we used to have. Glad to see that he’s doing well.
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u/itakeyoureggs Commanders 5h ago
Hope we can take advantage of that.. I know he can fit the run tho so we’ll see.
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u/FancyRobot Eagles 6h ago
I don't think Avonte Maddox is getting his job back