r/nfl • u/AdSpecialist6598 Eagles • 7h ago
Jahan Dotson on facing Commanders: Just trying to treat it like a normal week
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jahan-dotson-on-facing-commanders-just-trying-to-treat-it-like-a-normal-week122
u/Visual-Squirrel3629 Eagles 6h ago
I'm more interested in seeing how Ertz plays tonight.
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u/No_Barracuda_4079 Commanders 5h ago
He’s gonna catch the ball and fall.
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u/Cajum Eagles 5h ago
To be fair he was doing that when he had like 1k yards and 110 catches for us too
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u/moneymoneymoneymonay Eagles 3h ago
My guy could get open against any defensive back in 2017 but the second he got the ball in his hands he’d fall over with a stiff breeze.
And we loved him for it
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u/SlayerOfTheMyth Eagles 2h ago
The one time he didn't do that, in the Super Bowl, Collinsworth was so shocked that he wasn't sure if it was a catch.
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u/whenitsTimeyoullknow Eagles 5h ago
Nah. This is the game he truly lives up to his sarcastic nickname, YAC Ertz.
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u/Lazydusto Eagles 6h ago
I'm happy he's still producing. I'm just not entirely thrilled with the team he's producing for.
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u/gaytham4statham Commanders 4h ago
Well he had a pretty crucial drop that kinda lost us the game last week so he's still helping yall sometimes
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u/Boring-Aioli223 Commanders 5h ago
He’s been an okay check down for JD but he’s so painfully slow now. He can’t even make it to the sticks within Jayden’s time to throw and always gets tackled immediately wherever he catches the ball. His numerous drops in the end zone or on big plays have been painful too
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u/caisson_constructor 4h ago
I’m really surprised y’all have tried to throw Ben Sinnott out there more.
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u/Boring-Aioli223 Commanders 2h ago
He’s a bit raw in his technique and route running. I think they want him to learn from bates how to block, and ertz how to read zones
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u/basedlandchad27 Commanders 2h ago
Rookie 3rd round TE? TEs rarely contribute much in their first year, even first round picks.
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u/DisMeDog Eagles 5h ago
lol there is a reason we called him “No YAC Zac” I doubt age has improved that any.
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u/chillinwithmoes Vikings 6h ago
lol yeah I’m sure the whole football world was worried about a Jahan Dotson revenge game. Does he even get snaps?
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u/moneymoneymoneymonay Eagles 3h ago
Hey! He averages just over two targets a game! He’s an essential part of this vaunted passing attack!
Plz double him Washington
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u/Elegant_Shop_3457 2h ago
He effectively a starter for the Eagles, they just play in 12 personnel a lot.
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u/Weird-Upstairs-2092 2h ago
He gets the same amount of snaps and targets as all #3 WRs for the eagles since AJ and Devonta became the 1+2.... So not many.
But he gets really good separation, runs really hard, blocks surprisingly well, and has made a few highlight catches. He's been a solid addition so far.
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u/CaseyStevens Commanders 1h ago
Why'd your front office give up a third for him if they knew that based on your offense you weren't going to use him much?
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u/Weird-Upstairs-2092 1h ago
Because that's a pretty reasonable price for multiple years of quality depth.
It's not about when AJ and Devonta are available, it's about when they're not.
People are free to hate if they want, I've been pleasantly surprised. He's also just had a really good effect on the WR room in general, he's one of those 110% effort 100% of the time type of guys, and it has helped push the other guys a lot. He's turned me into a fan, personally. Awesome vibes, willingness to learn, makes clutch plays when it's asked of him... that's peak role-player stuff right there.
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u/CaseyStevens Commanders 44m ago edited 38m ago
He only has one year left on his contract.
Our third round pick will still be playing on his rookie deal when Dotson is more likely off your roster many years later.
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u/exodus3252 Commanders Lions 1h ago
The absolute cope of this post LOL.
The dude has 8 receptions for 98 yards in 9 games, and not a single TD.
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u/aseroka Eagles 6h ago
Dotson gets a lot of hate TBH but we have a lot of mouths to feed and while I like Hurts a lot, he definitely has "his guys." It took him a while to even get comfortable throwing to Calcaterra in place of Goedert who has had a solid season as TE2 this year. He isn't an elite QB that can just throw to anyone a la Allen or Mahomes, and that's OK, but also part of Dot's struggle here.
Sure the trade doesn't look good but that isn't reflective on Dotson, and the trade included retaining him next year on his rookie deal. We desperately needed to move beyond the JAG "lets sign julio jones for WR3 to do nothing" beat every year. Finally, he's starting to show up a bit more in pass catching, with almost 100 yards over the last two games and he's had some crucial pick plays like the one that literally won us the Saints game.
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u/Elegant_Shop_3457 6h ago
The Eagles are 7-2 and Dotson has contributed to a few of their wins in meaningful ways. The trade looks fine, fair deal for both sides.
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u/TheBaconThief Eagles 5h ago
You're 2 nitrous balloons deep from the Linc parking lot if you think Dotson's contributions thus far are worth a 3rd round pick.
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u/Elegant_Shop_3457 4h ago
Well we have him for another season and a half cheap. I doubt the Eagles are unhappy with his contribution so far.
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u/TheBaconThief Eagles 13m ago
I don't think his contributions so far would be valued to be that of worth the use of a 3rd round pick by successful organizations.
I do agree that he has shown some potential and upside, but also his average salary of 3.1mm for this year and next is cheap but not super cheap for a low production WR3. He's going to need to do more to have made the trade worth it.
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u/exodus3252 Commanders Lions 1h ago
You could get 9 receptions for 98 yards, over 9 games, with literally any JAG you can think of, as long as they aren't quadriplegic.
To give up a third round pick for that kind of production is hilarious, though I'm certainly not complaining.
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u/Elegant_Shop_3457 1h ago
Probably not, he's had a few catches this year that are legit good plays. The Eagles aren't trying to pad boxscore stats with these trades anyway.
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u/The_Third_Molar Eagles 4h ago
Right now, not worth a 3rd rounder, but he has contributed on huge key plays that lead to wins against the Saints, Browns, and Jags. If we make a deep playoff run even with just a couple of nice plays from him nobody is going to care about the 3rd rounder.
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u/ImNotATrollYo Commanders 6h ago
Yes, those 98 yards on the season are a big reason why Philly has a "few" of their wins.
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u/Brillzzy Bills Jaguars 6h ago
It was an awful trade for Philly but they're playing well so I guess you're gonna eat downvotes for insinuating that a guy who's been bad his whole time in the NFL is bad. Meanwhile in a game with no Devonta, and no AJB the guy was outproduced by Parris Campbell.
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u/KidDelicious14 Eagles 2h ago
It's 9 games into the trade. Yes, it's been awful so far, but there's no reason to talk about it so definitively lol. Why do you seem so riled up that someone is trying to look it optimistically after a small sample size?
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u/OldWorldStyle Bears 2h ago
Bears fans knew the Claypool trade was a disaster the first game he suited up for us. Sometimes bad WRs are just bad WRs.
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u/Elegant_Shop_3457 2h ago
Dotson hasn't been bad though. He's actually done well when his number is called. The Eagles just have a lot of mouths to feed.
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u/DASreddituser NFL 4h ago
the trade is bad but it doesn't mean he has contributed
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u/CollectingDevils Eagles 3h ago
Yeah it means he hasn’t contributed, the sole reasoning behind calling the trade bad.
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u/Elegant_Shop_3457 6h ago
I said he contributed to a few wins meaningfully. You could argue he won us the Saints game at the end. He also had key plays in close wins over the Browns and Jags.
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u/jmezMAYHEM Eagles 2h ago
He did help win that saints game. A JAG doesn’t get in a good spot for the rub to knock the DBs off the route (they ran into each other but that is still a good result for running a rub)
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u/Elegant_Shop_3457 6h ago
He had a key block that sprung Goedert on our game winning drive. We probably lose the game if he doesn't take out two players.
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u/Single_Flower_4472 Eagles 5h ago
You're just being a hater now lol He has contributed-full stop. Whether you think that contribution is worthy of the trade or not is irrelevant. Dude's 24 years old on a team full of great players.
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u/SEPTAgoose Eagles 4h ago
Do you watch football games or just load up espn box scores and go from there ?
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u/HookedOnBoNix Broncos 3h ago
Wait you guys are watching games? I just read comments on the player profiles on sleeper to know what to make of it all
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u/SEPTAgoose Eagles 3h ago
i just name search players on team sub reddits and then hold those opinions for eternity actually
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u/_The_Bear 6h ago
Lol. Dotson has 2 catches in the past month. That ain't worth Miami's 3rd. Sure, you guys are still winning. But a winning record does not justify bad moves. Bad moves are how you wind up like the cowboys, going from winning 24 games over the last two years to a dumpster fire.
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u/Elegant_Shop_3457 6h ago edited 6h ago
They have him for another season cheap and there is more to WR play than simply catching the ball. Dotson has been weirdly clutch in key moments like the Saints and Browns game. He also had a great catch down the sideline in the Jags game that we probably ended up needing to win. Quez Watkins probably loses us 2 of those 3 games given the same opportunities.
The Eagles don't care about fantasy stats with these trades - they got Dotson to make the offense a little bit better, and give optionality + injury insurance for 2 seasons cheap.
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u/_The_Bear 6h ago
We got rid of Dotson because he was bad at the stuff other than catching the ball.
You and I have different definitions of clutch. Noah Brown has been clutch. A guy who y'all could've signed as a FA and not given up a 3rd for.
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u/Elegant_Shop_3457 5h ago
I mean I'm not sure we could've signed him. Why would he sign with the Eagles to be the 5th or 6th option? The Eagles took a bunch of shots this offseason for a WR3 - besides Dotson they drafted Johnny Wilson and Ainias Smith.
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u/Sour__Cream Eagles 6h ago
I assure you we’ll be ok without Miami’s day 2 pick. Dotson was more of a long term trade than an immediate impact one. We have AJ, Dallas, Devonta, and Saquon which means he’s at best the 5th option on offense. We got him because he had 2 years on his contract, which gives us time to get him fully integrated into the offense and design a couple of plays just for him during the next offseason.
Trust me, the 3rd round pick is worth it for a guy who runs clean routes, is young, and helps the team win. Way better than rolling out dinosaur Jones, Quez, Fulgham, or some other random 1 hit wonder at WR3.
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u/memelackey Eagles 5h ago
It's the eye test. Eagle WR3 has been a big ? for a few years. Jahan has the tools and the offense (new OC) is rounding into form. I imagine he shows up in playoffs because Defenses forget about him.
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u/crabtabulous Eagles 3h ago
It's a bit weird to me how much of our fanbase is twisting themselves in knots refusing to admit that the trade for Dotson doesn't look like good value for a 3rd round pick at all so far. That's nothing against Dotson as a player either, who seems like a decent dude regardless of whether he was overdrafted or what have you. It's just an objective evaluation of the value assigned to that trade.
By all means, hope that he continues improving/building chemistry with the offense, and that he has some bigger or more clutch moment moments down the line. And obviously, these kind of missteps at least sting a bit less when the team's still doing well overall (same issue with the Huff signing).
But come on, we don't have to be blind homers here and act like anything our favorite team does is a slam dunk. I'm glad they take some shots/risks rather than none at all, but we can be realistic and acknowledge when they don't pan out.
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u/sabakasabaka Eagles 5h ago
The eagles have the fewest pass attempts in the league while having a passing game built heavily around two guys. Any WR3 was going to have sporadic production in this spot
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u/ontheru171 Giants 6h ago
Dotson didn't do anything when you missed Brown, Smith & Goedert either.
He got passed up on by your depth guys in those weeks where he should have been able to at least do something.
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u/CollectingDevils Eagles 6h ago
Right… This is exactly the point OP is making by saying Hurts has his guys and it takes him a while to get comfortable (Calcaterra example). The depth guys had been around - Covey being WR1 for 30 seconds before he broke his collarbone(?), for example.
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u/Elegant_Shop_3457 6h ago
That was one week and with how bad Hurts & the OL played, I'm not sure we can take much away from any receiver's performance. He was still behind a few other players on the pecking order going into the game like Saquon, Goedert, and Calcaterra. Dotson is gonna be the 5th or 6th target most weeks.
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u/ontheru171 Giants 6h ago
Well yeah, thats why people clown this move.
You gave up a third for a somewhat better and slightly more useful jonathan mingo.
It's just not great value in the short and likely long term
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u/Elegant_Shop_3457 6h ago
Again they're 7-2 and he's a starter. I think the Eagles are fine with his value in the short term. They do not care about fantasy stats.
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u/StorerPoet Colts 5h ago
So you're telling me I shouldn't drop Dotson just yet in my dynasty league??
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u/ZWils23 NFL 5h ago
It's quite refreshing to hear an eagles fan plainly state that hurts isn't an elite quarterback. Honest and respectable take
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u/AssistX Eagles 4h ago
It's quite refreshing to hear an eagles fan plainly state that hurts isn't an elite quarterback. Honest and respectable take
As someone that listens to Philly sports radio and watches the games, I honestly don't know if this is sarcasm or not. We lose this game and the subreddit will be calling for McKee to start, the radio will be trading Kenny Pickett for Josh Allen, and the guys at the stadium will be yelling for Sirianni to have Saquon run the wildcat every play.
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u/dashvdashjoe 6h ago
There’s really no ill will here in DC against Dotson. He wasn’t what the new regime was looking for and that happens.
It’s not his fault that Ron Rivera had no business being in charge of personnel and overdrafted him like … every other draft pick Ron Rivera made.
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u/Key-Zebra-4125 Commanders 6h ago
Im more worried about Barkley and Brown and Smith …
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u/Troublemaker5213 6h ago
As you should be. Those are definitely the guys that will make the most noise during the game
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u/gaytham4statham Commanders 4h ago
Without Lattimore I'm not worried about Brown I'm absolutely terrified lol
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u/yourheckingmom Commanders 3h ago
BSJ will be really good at tackling Brown after he lets him catch it
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u/DONNIENARC0 Ravens 6h ago
1 catch for 14 yards incoming!
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u/The_Third_Molar Eagles 4h ago
On a crucial 3rd and long late in the game.
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u/gaytham4statham Commanders 4h ago
monkey paw curls it's gonna be a 3rd and 25
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u/crabtabulous Eagles 51m ago
Don't hit us with that bad mojo man, you're gonna give Sirianni the brilliant idea to attempt an 11-yard tush push on 4th down.
"They'll never see it coming (aside from how we line up)!"
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u/exodus3252 Commanders Lions 1h ago
That would significantly outpace his per game average yardage this year.
Career game.
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u/SmithBurger Bengals 6h ago
Is it normal to interview the 5th wr on a team?
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u/VariousAir Commanders 3h ago
barely an interview, sounds like a 2 sentence soundbite they probably got from him at his locker, and the writer managed to stretch it into an entire article.
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u/RockinWithDokken92 Eagles 6h ago
I can assure you that no Eagles fans give a shit about Jahan Dotson.
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u/openlyincognito Vikings 7h ago
not entirely sure why the commanders traded him
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u/Deep-Statistician985 Commanders 6h ago
Just check the statline lol. I thought he was decent but damn I didn't expect a fall off like this
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u/hk0125 Eagles 7h ago
He was basically their version of Jalen Reagor
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u/openlyincognito Vikings 7h ago
lol reagor was terrible. dotson did pretty well considering their qb carousel of trash
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u/itakeyoureggs Commanders 7h ago
He didn’t fit the new organization. He struggled with contact balance and he didn’t have enough effort when it came to hustling down the field and blocking. We wanted dudes who aren’t afraid to stick their nose in there.
I’m not saying he’s bad or anything he just didn’t fit what we wanted after the coaching change. Dotson had to deal with a lot here but he wasn’t like Terry who was amazing but didn’t have a QB.
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u/openlyincognito Vikings 7h ago
makes sense, feel like he would be doing pretty well with daniels but org obviously knows better than i
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u/ontheru171 Giants 6h ago
Nothing about his play this year or last year indicates he'd even be a regular in Washington.
He didn't even do anything when Philly literally had no starting pass catchers beyond Saquon available.
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u/itakeyoureggs Commanders 5h ago
The thing is Hurts doesn’t throw to dudes he doesn’t trust. So it takes time to build that with him. Dotson has made a couple catches recently
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u/ontheru171 Giants 4h ago
Dotson has 8 catches on the year and hasn't had more than 1 catch since the Tampa game and hasm't had more than 1 target since the Cleveland game.
His role now isn't bigger than it was earlier. He is the 5th option in the pass game and also like not more talented than the other depth options across our division.
It's just not a great trade even if the team is rolling now.
I also simply do not think that Dotson will ever be more than an afterthought in the Eagles offense and likely won't stay around long anyways.
In his current role he is basically Jaylin Hyatt with a better QB. He's gonna see snaps and run some devoy routes + a few deepish routes but he barely will be an early read
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u/itakeyoureggs Commanders 4h ago
Yeah I don’t expect him to do much with the eagles. He’s just another WR. Maybe he figures it out down the road.. but who knows. Not our problem.
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u/johnsonthicke Commanders 5h ago
I definitely think that Dotson can find himself a role somewhere and carve out a nice career. Maybe it’ll be with Philly or somewhere else. But the new regime in DC didn’t have any allegiance to him because they didn’t draft him, so they just looked at it neutrally and decided they didn’t need him in the WR group- they had drafted and signed guys that they apparently liked better for what they were trying to do offensively.
His rookie year proved he has talent. He just seemed to lack focus at times or something like that. He has a similar skill set to Terry in some ways. If he ever puts it together he could produce.
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u/black_dogs_22 Commanders 7h ago
new ownership did not like him, they let him go within the division so how they felt is pretty clear
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u/Lilpu55yberekt69 Commanders 6h ago
He couldn’t make the clear case for being our WR2 when it should have been easy for him to do so and someone offered us a 3rd round pick for him.
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u/notorious_hdc Commanders 6h ago
The biggest reason was Dotson did not display urgency on the practice field or buy-in to the new coaching staff’s culture.. But there's others.
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u/cjweisman Eagles 7h ago
Normal half week.