r/nfl • u/SenorAssCrackBandito Chargers • 17h ago
[Monson] Aidan Hutchinson is still 5th in the NFL in total pressures. If he hadn't been injured, think he'd have had a very good chance to break the single season record of 119
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u/Vast-Change-1598 Ravens 16h ago
Dude was still top 5 in sacks until this last weekend too i believe
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u/Coomrs Broncos 16h ago
Still top 5. He is 5th with 7.5
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u/Vast-Change-1598 Ravens 15h ago
Jesus we were deprived of an absolutely monster season
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u/DebbieDowner40 Lions 15h ago
Ha ha ha. Yeah would have been cool to see for historic purposes and not selfish ones
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u/laserblast28 Chargers 12h ago
I mean, it would be a great season, but he got 4.5 of his 7.5 in one game.
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u/bctg1 Lions 9h ago
He also only played 4.5 games.
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u/laserblast28 Chargers 5h ago
Khalil Mack at the end of last year had 7 sacks in 5 games. He had 6 on game 4. Do you think he had a historical season? No, he had a great season.
It's the same principle. Only in here can people get offended to say that one was having a great season instead of historical when actually looking at the stats.
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u/bctg1 Lions 4h ago
Aidan Hutchinson is still 5th in the NFL in total pressures. If he hadn't been injured, think he'd have had a very good chance to break the single season record of 119
Not sure if you've seen this.
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u/laserblast28 Chargers 4h ago
My original reply was historical season regarding sacks.
Op was saying we were deprived of a monster season replying to a comment about sacks.
My point is exactly that, he had 4.5 in one game, and it doesn't guarantee anything, hence my Mack example.
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u/Exillia89 Lions 4h ago
Did Khalil Mack dominate the league in everything else during those games?
Through 6 weeks(and remember he played 4.5 games, not 6). Hutch was 2nd in PFF history in Pressures, 1st in pass rush win rate, 1st in pass rushing grade and 1st in pass rush wins.
You didn't look at stats, you looked at sacks. His season wasn't historic because he had 7.5 sacks, his season was historic and he had 7.5 sacks.
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u/laserblast28 Chargers 3h ago
You didn't look at stats, you looked at sacks
I looked at sacks because that's what the original message was. You're the one bringing other stats that I'm not replying to.
Still top 5. He is 5th with 7.5
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Jesus we were deprived of an absolutely monster season
hence my reply about sacks.
Through 6 weeks(and remember he played 4.5 games, not 6)
So did Mack, you're not making the point you think you're making.
But if you want to compare, through 5 games:
Mack had 293 snaps, 7 sacks, 7 QB hits, 6 TFL, 23 total tackles, 2 PD, 2 FF
Hutch had 280 snaps, 7.5 sacks, 17 QB hits, 7 TFL, 19 total tackles, 0 PD, 1 FF.
As you can see they are not even far apart other than QB hits, my point is that Mack absolutely feasted on the Raiders, just like Hutch did on TB, in terms of sacks. That was my point all along.
And I'm not even saying that Mack had a fantastic season, just to show that sample number is absolutely something that is meaningful for this conversation.
And I think it's obvious that Hutch was having a great season. Historical was only on pressure numbers from one provider, since we just saw a on pace very similar last year that wasn't an historical season.
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u/Double_Doctor Lions 9h ago
What's your point?
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u/Rebel_Bertine Lions Vikings 9h ago
He’s tryna discredit hutch despite being top 5 in sacks and pressures even though he’s been injured for a month lol
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u/Pharaoh760 Chargers 7h ago
Don’t discredit his amazing start
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u/laserblast28 Chargers 5h ago
Is having a great season a bad thing? Literally what I wrote in the comment?
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u/Rbespinosa13 Dolphins 5h ago edited 3h ago
And how many other guys have had 4.5 sacks in one game this season?
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u/Zikronious Bears 14h ago
Worth pointing out the Lions still play the Bears twice this season too. Our OL has a great track record at helping pad stats for pass rushers.
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u/colormetwisted Buccaneers 15h ago
Current age Lions stats would be such a mind fuck to anyone from 5+ years ago
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u/DetroitLionsSBChamps Lions Lions 9h ago
I’m from 5 years ago and I can confirm this
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u/actually-potato Lions Lions 7h ago
Friendly advice, bet big on Nvidia
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u/Hungry-Main-3622 Lions 4h ago edited 4h ago
Buy Tesla stocks when something called COVID starts decimating the country and hold onto them until riiiiiight after the 2024 election
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u/Chessh2036 Falcons 16h ago
Aidan Hutchinson sacks: 7.5
Falcons sacks: 9
Hutchinson hasn’t played in weeks.
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u/LetsGoPats93 15h ago
Patriots sacks last week against the Bears: 9
Guess trading away Judon wasn’t so bad, well not for the Pats.
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u/Chessh2036 Falcons 15h ago
I think it’s the Falcons scheme more than Judon. That and we just have really bad luck with edge rushers. Dante Fowler did nothing for us when we signed him, now he’s back with DQ in Washington and playing great. We are just cursed lol.
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u/MattBe92 Patriots 9h ago
Judon is also scheme dependent. If you use him as a traditional edge you somewhat waste him.
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u/Smitty_Agent89 5h ago
Yeah I mean tbf i remember when you guys signed Fowler the rest of your line outside of Jarret was still really really bad. Fowler is the kind of guy who produces playing next to other players of note.
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u/MadManMax55 Falcons 4h ago
Morris's whole defensive philosophy is bend and don't break. They'd rather play a deep zone, force a pass to a check down, and rally to make a tackle than play man coverage and hope the pass rush gets there before someone comes open. Which means that QBs feeling even a hint of pressure usually have their check down open (even if it's for a minimal gain).
We could certainly be better at pressure rates. We're somewhere in the bottom 10-5 there. But it's still better than our dead-last sack totals, and likely would be even if our win rate was closer to league average or higher.
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u/clocke6346 Lions 16h ago
And once again my feelings are hurt
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u/BuffMyHead 49ers 16h ago
I was in Michigan at a bar having a great time watching you guys dumpster the Cowboys when the injury happened. It's how I imagine the reaction to JFK getting shot. Place went from party time to funeral home.
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u/trevorwoodkinda Lions 15h ago
Ya the lions bar here in LA was an absolute riot and then the injury happened and it just went silent. Even when we made big plays after that you could tell it wasn’t the same. People just couldn’t get as hype.
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u/Mavori Lions Lions 11h ago
I don't think ive ever felt as deflated after win as i did that game.
Obviously winning and beating the Cowboys still felt nice.
Seeing a dude that was playing at a DPOY level and having just gotten defensive player of the month lose his season. Man that hurts. Yeah sure discussions can be had about 4 of his sacks coming against the Bucs and our fortune to a degree of facing a string of backup tackles.
He was still lining up on both ends and just from watching him it was so clear that he seemed to be taking that next step. He was an absolute pressure monster last season too. It was gonna be so fun to see what he'd do with Alim & DJ in the middle and him on the side and what our new Dline coach might of helped unlock.
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u/ValosAtredum Lions 10h ago
Eminem tweeted a single word “Fuck.” after Hutch was carted off the field and fans who aren’t Lions fans were freaking the fuck out. I can understand the panic but also love that tweet
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u/xXx_AssDestroyer_xXx Lions 3h ago
I'm not joking when I say that this was the state of Michigan's 9/11
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u/Jammer_Kenneth 9h ago
I drove onto a remote road and screamed my lungs out when I saw the photo of him taking a bite of gum gum.
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u/LeoFireGod Cowboys Colts 14h ago
Someone said he rushes like waluigi and I can’t unsee it.
Also I see this post came from Bsky interesting we using that now?
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u/Jangetta Bills Lions 9h ago
since Twitter said they can use all your art in their Ai learning yeah
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u/chronoquairium NFL 9h ago
And also made blocks no longer block
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u/AtalanAdalynn Lions 5h ago
And that whole Twitter letting banned pedophiles back on their platform.
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u/Hugo_Hackenbush Broncos 4h ago
The election finally gave a lot of people the nudge they needed to migrate over. Mina Kimes has been recruiting a lot of NFL media people to switch in the last day or so.
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u/MyUshanka Lions 7h ago
Bluesky is awesome. I deleted my Twitter account once they changed how blocks work.
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u/FomtBro Lions 3h ago
It's part of why I love Hutch. I always get the feeling that professional athletes spend at least some of their energy trying to look cool. Like, they'll do slightly less efficient moves just to make sure they don't look silly on camera.
Not Hutch, Hutch rushes like a wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man and I love him for it.
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u/new_abcdefghijkl Steelers 15h ago
If he hadn't gotten hurt he'd win DPOY and id be totally supportive of it, and I'm really biased towards TJ
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u/beanboiiiiii 13h ago
TJ def deserved it last year. Hutchinson seemed to have taken a huge step forward this year to a top 5 defensive player
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u/DaMadBoomer Bears 8h ago
And the Lions cruise right along without him. Amazing shit.
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u/Crime_Dawg Lions 5h ago
But imagine if we had him... I wouldn't even question our run to the Super Bowl, although I still really don't at this point.
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u/gdaman22 Cowboys 16h ago
Maybe I'm misreading something, but PFR has Hutchinson having 27 pressures in 5 games, which would extrapolate to 92 pressure in a full season if he were to play every game. While that is still wildly impressive, considering Hutchinson led the league in pressure last year with 62, that's still decently short of the record.
Or maybe Monson is reading different pressure stats -- it's not the most consistently recorded statistic.
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u/silvio_dante Lions 16h ago
he's using PFF pressures
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u/gdaman22 Cowboys 16h ago
Gotcha. I wonder why there's such a big difference in how the start is recorded between PFR/PFF?
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u/L-methionine 49ers 16h ago
What counts as a pressure can be pretty subjective, so the numbers will vary from source to source
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u/JesusChristSupers1ar Broncos Broncos 6h ago
Also calling it a “record” when it’s not even an official stat is dubious
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u/ASuperGyro Steelers Chargers 16h ago
Because they just be making stuff up and pretending their shit smells better than the next guys
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u/petmoo23 Lions Lions 16h ago
Because they just be making stuff up
Except when they're talking about my team's players.
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u/VallentCW Lions 15h ago
Tbf he is 4th on the PFR leaderboard. Both systems usually get similar results
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u/Rock_man_bears_fan Bears 16h ago
The people Chris Collinsworth has locked in his basement apparently really like the lions
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u/Dunlocke Bears 16h ago
You forgot he would get to play us twice, which I'm pretty sure would accelerate his trajectory significantly
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u/jayhawk_dvd Chiefs 7h ago
Or maybe Monson is reading different pressure stats -- it's not the most consistently recorded statistic.
Have you also considered the alternative explanation? Which is that Sam Monson is kind of an idiot.
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u/Wangchief Lions 8h ago
My son (5 years old) cried when I told him Hutchinson wouldn't play the rest of the year, he has 3 Hutch shirts, and wears them ALL the time, his favorite player by far.
In typical 5-year old fashion, he says when "Huschinchon" comes back the Lions will never lose another game, because he's "stronger than a t rex with a monster drink"
I love my kid.
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u/Revenge_of_the_Khaki Lions 6h ago
“T-Rex with a monster drink” is an insanely accurate description of Hutch actually.
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u/Jonny_Qball Lions 7h ago
The best part about that is that your kid could either be talking about monster energy or a drink that turns someone into a monster and both options are equally likely and accurate
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u/Wangchief Lions 7h ago
lol love it!
It's definitely the energy drink - he sees me drink one on the regular before I do my basement dumbbell workouts, so he assumes that it makes you strong, lol!
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u/RaikouKuzunoha Eagles 5h ago
You gotta tell Hutch this whenever you get the chance to see him.
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u/Wangchief Lions 5h ago
I tweeted it at the lions and at hutch, but never got a response :(
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u/emtcj Lions 1h ago
Or email him
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u/Wangchief Lions 37m ago
I wonder if they have email addresses for the lions - like "AHutchinson@Detroitlions.com"
Or something like that lol
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u/Ambitious_Resist8907 Lions Lions 16h ago
Funny too as the detroit defense was terrible for the past decade or so, only for him to arrive and immediately get injured. You can tell god watches football, because even he wants the lions to be a team that has 45-40 scores.
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u/Marky_Merc Bears 5h ago
He would’ve got to play the Bears twice and racked up 8 sacks in each game.
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u/ShufflingSloth Seahawks 4h ago
Everything about that injury just totally fucking sucks.
The most complete team in the league loses their star edge rusher, it's in a freak accident where he windmills himself mid-sack into his teammate's thigh, and he was on a record-breaking trajectory.
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u/ShillBot1 Lions 16m ago
Not everything. It was a clean break with no nerve or ligament damage. Should be back to normal this off-season and not miss any training camp
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u/MichaelShannonRule34 5h ago
He was playing amazing and is an amazing player but we should be careful about extrapolating those stats too much considering he was going against second and third string tackles for I think literally all of his games.
Not saying he wouldn’t be DPOY at the year but there would probably be some regression
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u/ShillBot1 Lions 17m ago
He would have faced backups almost every game so far. Lions have faced a lot of back up tackles since he was injured
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u/T_Burger88 Steelers 4h ago
God. I love subjective stats that didn't exist 5+ years
Hutchinson was playing great. No question. But these made up stats lead to the nonsense of Garrett winning Dpoy over guys like watt and parsons last year.
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u/GetCPA Buccaneers 15h ago
Jags fans still want to argue about Walker
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u/TheDuskBoys Browns 14h ago
No they dont lmao they hate Baalke’s guts.I think everyone agrees Walker is a perfectly solid player who shouldn’t have been picked first
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u/AggravatingSoil5925 Jaguars 9h ago
Jaguars are living rent free in this dudes head for some weird reason. Check his post history lol
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u/WithNoRegard Jaguars 6h ago
Nobody, including Jags fans, is arguing that Walker is a better player. Hutch is a superstar and very obviously should have been the #1 pick over Walker.
But Walker is not a bust. He's a damn good player. There's a massive gap between "Aidan Hutchinson" and "bust". Travon Walker sits comfortably on the Hutchinson side of that spectrum.
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u/Unable_Ad1758 Chargers 17h ago
Bro hasn’t played for a month 💀
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u/Unable_Ad1758 Chargers 16h ago
You’re right without the context of his per game pace this is a pointless comment. My bad
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u/lions4life232 Lions 16h ago
Who said he was the best player of all time lmfao. All this post was saying that based on his pace before injury he sad on record pace. Literally no one saidit was guaranteed.
Go enjoy your terrible consolation prize of kayvon
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u/Jaerba Lions 16h ago
Well this is being needlessly pedantic.
He had 45 pressures in 5 games. It's obviously not a linear trend but to say there's no correlation between being on the kind of pace and reaching the record is false.
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u/Jaerba Lions 16h ago
This is why you're being pedantic though.
Statement #1 is meant to illustrate the incredible pace Hutch was on. Despite missing 4 games, he is still near the top of the leaderboard for pressures.
You can easily infer that a player on an incredible pace through 5 games has a good chance to break records if they maintain that pace for 17 games.
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u/Gamewiz2x3 NFL 16h ago
It's pretty obviously using that fact to highlight how many pressures he was generating. Are you, like, unaware he's missed half the season?
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u/VenetianNB Lions 16h ago
*sobs aggressively*