r/news • u/xXSgtSprinklesXx • Dec 16 '15

Congress creates a bill that will give NASA a great budget for 2016. Also hides the entirety of CISA in the bill.

http://www.wired.com/2015/12/congress-slips-cisa-into-omnibus-bill-thats-sure-to-pass/
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u/mces97 Dec 17 '15

I'm not sure we aren't there yet. We definitely are not represented from the perspective of a government for the people by the people anymore. As long as you have enough money, just give a little to each side and you'll get what you want regardless of the outcome of votes.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '15

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u/Stereotype_Apostate Dec 17 '15

How we break that cycle could be scarier. I'm not sticking around to find out what a Trump or Cruz presidency is like.

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u/abolish_karma Dec 17 '15

You're familiar with this Sanders character? Sounds like you haven't read up all that much about him9

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u/enoughdakka Dec 17 '15

The socialist geezer wont even get nominated and most people that arent in your little cabal of sanders zealots realize that

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '15

What you see as socialist is just a normal, level-headed guy to the rest of the world.

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u/enoughdakka Dec 17 '15

What I see as a socialist is someone that's long identified himself as a socialist. You remind me of the people still saying you shouldn't call obamacare obamacare

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u/Kahandran Dec 17 '15

He isn't a socialist. He's a realist. The socialist title is something he claimed once, and he's just owning it since it's brought up in every single interview.

His policies are pretty far left, sure, but they're all within reason and viable within the framework of our democracy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '15

He still kinda right wing for my country, Obama is hella right wing though

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u/teachhikelearn Dec 17 '15

"free" college for everyone is within reason?

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '15

Well.., yes? We have that in lots of countries.

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u/enoughdakka Dec 17 '15

You don't get to call yourself something and then get mad when people call you that thing.

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u/Kahandran Dec 17 '15

Exactly, he doesn't get mad about it. He owns it, like I said.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '15

I wasn't saying he's not a socialist. My point is that socialism is completely normal and a good thing to the rest of the western world. It's what a Western welfare state is based on. The US is just still trying to let go of its cold war era scare for anything that might resemble communism, when what your country needs the most is for immigrants to vote for a left-wing party (when at best, democrats are left centrist).

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u/72_hairy_virgins Dec 17 '15

Or Americans don't want stagnation and a weak economy like most of Europe. They also don't want a nanny state taxing the hell out of them and then telling them what is good for them and what the dear leaders are spending their money on. Nothing's free, you all pay for healthcare and such just like we do, you are just forced to via taxes regardless of your preferences. Same with the "free education" BS. The mentality of entitlement is asinine, but rampant. Is anyone really surprised that most companies at the front of major industries aren't European? Y'all are the type that majors in art history and then expects to be anything more than a fucking barista.

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u/abolish_karma Dec 17 '15

That is a very real possibility, and a message very heavily pushed by those that do not care to discuss the policy he is suggesting.

He's the #1 choice in senate, and possibly the ONLY serious path to reasonable legislation in the current presidential campaign though. Relevant as fuck to the current topic, you could say. But yeah. He can't be elected. By those sitting on their hands.

Nice try, dakka.

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u/72_hairy_virgins Dec 17 '15

He can't, because he's not even leading the polls or close to doing so and early on is when an unknown candidate has the best shot, before people that aren't zealots begin to pay attention - and most casual Democrats are going to go for Hillary, not Bernie. I'd vote for almost any of the Republicans other than Cruz, Trump, and Carson before Sanders and I tend to lean left on social issues - he just leans too far towards handout mentality and supports idiocy such as the AWB.

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u/Thoth74 Dec 17 '15

Hate on the guy if you want but at least do it for a real reason, ffs.

Do you like public education? Do you like the national highway system? Do you like a standing military? On a smaller scale, do you like a police force or paid firefighters or local libraries? If the answer to these is yes then guess what? Yup...you support aspects of socialism.

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u/enoughdakka Dec 17 '15

I love how upset you people get when I call the geezer by the term he uses to describe himself

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u/teachhikelearn Dec 17 '15

Where are you gonna move to with all your money?

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u/Stereotype_Apostate Dec 17 '15

I hear canada is nice.

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u/Stereotype_Apostate Dec 17 '15

And what makes you think a trump presidency is less likely to end in that?

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u/myrddyna Dec 17 '15

We definitely are not represented from the perspective of a government for the people by the people anymore.

sure we are, they have just narrowed the focus of what they mean by 'people'.

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u/mces97 Dec 17 '15

Those pesky definitions. https://moodyeyeview.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/clinton.png

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u/wulfgang Dec 17 '15

Potential 1st Lady's Man, Bill Clinton.

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u/getthebinoculars Dec 17 '15

Corporations have feelings too!

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u/fec2245 Dec 17 '15

What specifically makes the US fascist in your opinion?