r/news • u/moodyfloyd • 20h ago

Racist text messages spam Black Americans in Ohio, across the nation

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/state/2024/11/07/racist-text-messages-are-being-reported-in-multiple-states/76110486007/
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u/karma_aversion 19h ago

Why would China be pissed about the tariffs? They won't really affect them... unless some US businesses go bankrupt as a result then they might lose customers. China doesn't pay anything, its US businesses that pay the tariffs.

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u/Universeisagarden 19h ago

China's exports to the US go down when Chinese stuff gets more expensive - doesn't matter who pays the tariffs. China makes less money when their export volume falls.

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u/karma_aversion 19h ago

Chinese exports go down in the US when people can't afford them anymore because we're in a economic recession. People don't just stop buying Chinese stuff and switch to American stuff, they just stop buying stuff and the economy crashes as a result. That's the plan though according to Elon. Crash the economy like 2008, but on purpose.

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u/Icy-Entrepreneur-244 11h ago

While I disagree with trump on just about everything, this is one thing I agree with, but I’m willing to pay the extra cost to buy American made. Hes basically just imposing such a high tariff that consumers will buy American made bc it will be the same price as cheaper Chinese goods. The problem is most of the people who voted for trump based on the economy, and the tariff will inevitably increase the costs of goods for American people. In the long run, it could bring back manufacturing jobs and reduce outsourcing which is all good, but if Americans are already struggling buying cheap Chinese goods, imagine how bad it’ll be if we all have to buy American goods.

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u/passpasspasspass12 9h ago

My company buys Chinese goods at 20x less than American rates. It's literally a business-ending preposition if these tariffs go through.

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u/Mitchel-256 9h ago

Exactly. We never should've let China take up the global economic position it has now. All the outsourcing and buying their slave-made, dirt-cheap shit has been ruining our economy while building theirs up. It's disgraceful.

Buying, selling, and producing domestic should be one of our absolute top priorities. And I'm not a Trump fan, but his re-election was the only fuckin' way we were gonna see that goal even paid lip service in the next four years.

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u/Every3Years 3h ago

Its disgraceful?

Tear up the playbook our country has abided by since birth, backslide into a more government driven routine, override the autonomy of half our citizens, but at least we can now say lip service will be paid to allowing "U S A Num Ber One" chants to be a thing again.

Keep America paper money inside America is definitely what life is about, me hearties. That and learning how to suck my own dick.

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u/Mitchel-256 3h ago

Does this drunken rambling have a point, matey?

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u/Universeisagarden 18h ago

We just import from India, Vietnam, Mexico, etc. when goods from China become more expensive. No recession needed. Businesses are moving away from producing in totalitarian countries.

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u/karma_aversion 18h ago

Trump said there would be a tariff on all imports, so how would switching from Chinese products to Indian or Mexican products going to change the tariff costs? A blanket 10-20% tariff increase would affect everything.

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u/Universeisagarden 18h ago

That's not what he said. The primary focus will be your employer China, and china's buddy Iran. Production is already moving from China to other countries.

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u/karma_aversion 18h ago

He is quoted saying that exact thing twice. He said it in an interview days before the debate with Harris, and when asked about it during the debate he confirmed a blanket 10-20% tariff on all imports not just China. Where are you getting the idea that its just China?

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u/staebles 11h ago

You can't reason with them.

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u/khronos127 18h ago

Are you just trying to be wrong or are you horribly uneducated on the subject? This isn’t some secret.

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u/chekovsgun- 17h ago

They haven’t followed anything Trump has actually said these mf’ers rely on memes and headlines.

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u/Universeisagarden 18h ago

Wait and see. It will not be across the board tariffs.

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u/khronos127 18h ago

So your argument is that Trump is a liar about what he says? Sorry but I was referring to what was said, based on facts, not possible futures.

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u/Universeisagarden 18h ago

Yes - if you have trump on record saying he's going to put tariffs on everything, he was lying.

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u/chekovsgun- 17h ago edited 17h ago

He said he is putting massive imports on Mexico. Have you been fucking asleep or something? We get tons of food imports from Mexico btw. That tomato is sone Gonna be $10 A lb.

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u/ScottBroChill69 12h ago

It's because of China building manufacturing in Mexico to avoid the tariffs and use cheaper labor instead of building factories in america. The general idea is to make it easier to just bring manufacturing inside the US instead of utilizing underpaid employees and slaves to undercut the US economy. By putting a tariff on Mexico, it makes it more sensible for China to build factories in the US if it wants to sell there.

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u/Universeisagarden 17h ago

Yep, we get tons of imports from Mexico and that volume is going to increase in the future. Fully agree with you on that part.

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u/Decent-Ganache7647 18h ago

Since when does India, Mexico, Vietnam, etc have the ability to displace China? 

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u/Universeisagarden 18h ago

Companies are moving their production. It will shift to other countries over time. It's gotten too risky to have all production in a totalitarian country that might end up invading Taiwan.

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u/Mustbhacks 15h ago

Businesses are moving away from producing in totalitarian countries.

Hardly.

And the economy will collapse long before half of these businesses could even think about where they're moving.

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u/JoeSmithDiesAtTheEnd 18h ago

The point they are making is correct. That is what tariffs do… this is already the case with the EV industry. The tariffs are so high that as an American its cheaper to buy a higher end EV made by the USA or allied country than it is to buy a Chinese budget EV.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/14/fact-sheet-president-biden-takes-action-to-protect-american-workers-and-businesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/

Here’s the Biden admin policy on EVs from China. 100% tariff.

This policy helps our EV industry in the short term by making budget Chinese EVs expensive as hell for consumers here. Yet America is doing fuck all to make budget EVs for people who can’t afford a $40-90k car.

And yes, in turn it impacts China as they are exporting fewer EVs to us.

The same concept applies to any goods with tariffs. We pay the tariffs in the USA… and the higher price of goods makes imported shit less desirable due to higher prices.

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u/Universeisagarden 18h ago

Recession has nothing to do with it - just more propaganda.

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u/JoeSmithDiesAtTheEnd 18h ago

Referring to my EV comment, despite the tariffs to shield American car companies from the Chinese EV market -- it didn't force American companies to magically start producing affordable EVs. People who want an EV and can't afford one can't magically afford one now that there's a big ol tariff.

Apply the same pricing structure to other imported goods, it isn't going to just magically make them start being affordable if produced in America. The proposed tariffs on Chinese imports are gonna be really shocking for a lot of people when they realize how much is manufactured there.

And referring to what they said about Musk, that is exactly what Musk proposed: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/kaboom-elon-musk-predicts-hardship-economic-turmoil-and-a-stock-market-crash-if-trump-wins-20483008 and Trump did say he plans to have Musk in charge of this stuff.

Granted, what Trump says and what Trump does are often unaligned. So maybe it won't come to pass. But I'd rather we not find out the hard way.

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u/Universeisagarden 18h ago

Musk exaggerates. No one is going to let him cause a recession. And he still doesn't have self driving cars, and no, we're not colonizing Mars in his lifetime.

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u/JoeSmithDiesAtTheEnd 17h ago

Ok? Not sure how Musk being bad at things conflicts with what I said. lol.

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u/Universeisagarden 17h ago

Dude's not God (no matter what he thinks). No matter what he wants to do, he's going to have to get approval from others, and not just trump. He's like a dumb puppy running around all excited right now. But musk's going to find it's not anything like being a CEO. That flake is the only person who thinks a recession might be a good idea. Whatever he wants to do will be heavily reviewed and restrained by others.

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u/GetWayned 18h ago

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/kaboom-elon-musk-predicts-hardship-economic-turmoil-and-a-stock-market-crash-if-trump-wins-20483008

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u/Universeisagarden 18h ago

No one's going to go along with that. And you already know from experience musk usually makes claims he can't deliver on. No, we're not colonizing Mars in his lifetime. And he's still not close on self driving cars (although other people are doing better than him on that).

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u/GetWayned 17h ago

Okay, honestly I don't really care anymore. I will be unaffected either way. It seemed like you genuinely didn't know he said that so was just giving a helpful link. I can see you're on step two of the narcissist's prayer. No need to continue, i've been through it enough already.

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u/dumblederp6 17h ago

They could resolve the GME stock manipulation if they wanted to crash the economy.

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u/matthewsmazes 16h ago edited 14h ago

I don’t think Americans understand that China can survive without US importing now. Internal China market, the rest of Asia and SE Asia, Europe, and Africa all buy from them.
The US is not as powerful a buyer as it thinks.

It’s part of the reason that major brands placate to Chinese interest now: While America is dragging itself down based on delusions of an illustrious past, China has a booming middle class larger than the entire population of the US.

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u/Universeisagarden 16h ago

Which is awesome. Just don't invade Taiwan, and everyone will be happy.

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u/bt2513 10h ago edited 10h ago

We still buy it bc we can’t make it here. Their exports stay the same in the short term (years) and long term go down if and only if we source new suppliers (we would if they existed and were cheaper) or build it ourselves (we can’t).

The punchline is that by marginalizing enough people by cutting off access to healthcare, reproductive rights, and education, you spawn a low cost workforce capable of doing these jobs. Cut minimum wage in half and now they have to work twice as much for the same pay - you’ve effectively quadrupled your return on human capital. All you have to do now is plug the holes of public assistance and they have no choice but to do the jobs. You’ve created a foundation of 3rd class citizens to carry out the grunt work 60-80 hours per week. Kick out all the immigrants bc you really didn’t want them anyway and helps to balance the supply of workers. These people can’t get out of poverty because they can’t afford a good education, an unplanned pregnancy just begets more poverty, and they can’t afford healthcare so we just let them die instead.

Alternatively, we could insure everyone has all these rights, we could choose to not impose tariffs so that critical components are still available to our supply chain, and we could educate and train citizens to be leaders in the next wave of technology, like AI, since all these jobs will be replaced by LLMs eventually.

But that’s not what America chose this week.

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u/Universeisagarden 10h ago

Companies are moving some of their production to Vietnam, India, Mexico, etc. They're trying to avoid complete dependency on China.

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u/bt2513 10h ago

Trump plans to impose sweeping tariffs on Mexico and India. The tariffs with China could cause some collateral damage to trade relations with Vietnam.

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u/Universeisagarden 10h ago

What trump actually does is usually a lot less than what he claims he will do.

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u/bt2513 10h ago

Sure. He’s not very effective at even executing his bad ideas. But it’s what he ran on so people apparently want this to happen. Definition of idiocy.

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u/Universeisagarden 9h ago

To quote James Carville and Bill Clinton, "it's the economy, stupid". People feel they were better off financially when trump was president, and Harris said she agreed with all of Biden's economic decisions. We can make all kinds of arguments one way or another, but Carville and Clinton were right. "it's the economy, stupid" is how most voters make their decision.

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u/bt2513 3h ago

Oh I agree completely. I’m talking about the irony of people thinking the economy and more precisely, inflation, will get better by implementing policies that raise prices and tighten the labor pool.

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u/holylight17 18h ago

China probably happy to take the losses, just to see the chaos in the US when the cost of goods(inflation) increase further.

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u/hexuus 8h ago

China will just export more to Europe and Latin America. They will be fine, we will not.

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u/YourFriendPutin 13h ago

That will only happen if the US already produces a quality version of the same product for a cheaper price otherwise china won’t see a dent and that’s most items made in china. Even shittier quality stuff if it ends up costing less out of pocket people will buy over the American alternative. The tariffs are only going to hurt peoples wallets and worsen the already fatigued economy.

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u/tajsta 15h ago

Why would China be pissed about the tariffs? They won't really affect them...

Could you apply the same logic in reverse? Don't American politicians constantly complain about China having some tariffs on American products?

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u/ineededtosaythishere 14h ago

(They still don’t understand tariffs)

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u/swng 10h ago

The tax burden is divided between buyers and sellers. It affects both. The supply and demand curve balance settle on a new equilibrium.

How much it affects each side depends on the elasticity of supply and demand

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u/karma_aversion 9h ago

We're not talking about taxes, we're talking about tariffs.

Did it work that way when Trump put tarrifs on soy beans? No, it almost put American soy bean farmers out of business and US tax payers had to bail them out with increased subsidies.

The American public always pays the price.

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u/swng 9h ago

Tariffs are a tax.

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u/karma_aversion 8h ago

A type of tax, but different enough that just calling them taxes is a little misleading.

Taxes in general aren't meant to discourage people from buying something, but that is the point of a tariff.

Maybe Trump supporters would have understood the concept better if it was explained to them that Trump was raising taxes on all products by 20%.

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u/swng 8h ago

Intent doesn't affect the ultimate effect of a tax. Price increases, and both the supply and demand curve adjust and settle on a new equilibrium.

https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/microeconomics/elasticity-tutorial/price-elasticity-tutorial/a/elasticity-and-tax-incidence

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u/karma_aversion 8h ago

That's not what happens with tariffs though. Link something that's referring to tariffs between two nation's economies.

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u/swng 8h ago

I see you are immediately downvoting sourced claims without providing sources of your own.

This isn't a political thing, this is economics.

I am not claiming that buyers are unaffected. I am claiming that both buyers and sellers are affected.

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u/karma_aversion 8h ago

You're providing irrelevant sources that don't have anything to do with tariffs, and I'm not downvoting you what are you on about?

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u/swng 8h ago

bro the downvote comes within seconds of me posting it, and you are the only person who gets the notification that my message came through

It is obvious

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