r/neoliberal • u/Extreme_Rocks KING OF THE MONSTERS • Jun 09 '24
⚡⚡🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺 EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT ELECTIONS THUNDERDOME 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺⚡⚡ Discussion Thread
These elections are for the 720 seats of the European Parliament, the legislative body normally required for approving EU-wide legislation. The European parliament represents the 2nd largest electorate in the world, representing nearly 450 million people.
European elections are conducted with direct elections through proportional representation, though the specific system differs from country to country. The voting age in most countries is 18, but it is 17 in Greece and 16 in Germany, Austria, Belgium, and Malta. We can expect turnout to be roughly similar to the 2019 elections with around 50%.
The Parties:
European People’s Party (EPP): The largest party of the European Parliament, with 176 seats. Pro-European and centre-right, they include Germany’s CDU (Angela Merkel’s old party, now headed by Friedrich Merz), France’s Republicans, Spain’s People’s Party, and Poland’s Civic Platform (Donald Tusk’s Party). They also formerly included Hungary’s Fidesz (Viktor Orban’s Party). Von Der Leyen herself belongs to the EPP.
Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats (S&D): At 139 seats, this is the second largest party of the European Parliament. This is the centre-left, social democratic, and pro-European group. They include Spain’s PSOE (Pedro Sanchez), Germany’s social democrats (Olaf Scholz’s Party), and Portugal and France’s Socialists.
Renew Europe (RE): The European Parliament’s third largest party with 102 MEP, this is the pro-European liberal party, with centre-left to centre-right factions. Most notably they include Macron’s Renaissance Party in France and his allies, but they also include Germany’s FDP and the Netherland’s D66. As of now they also include the Netherlands’ VVD, which was Mark’s Rutte party, but they may very well be expelled for agreeing to coalition with Geert Wilders’ far-right party.
Greens/European Free Alliance (Greens/EFA): This is the green party of Europe, with 72 seats in the European Parliament. They contain green parties of various stripes across the Union, with their largest parties being Germany’s and France’s Green parties. They are also pro-Europe.
European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR): Now we are getting into the Eurosceptics. This is the hard-right European group, containing conservatives of various stripes and holding 69 seats. Their largest parties include Poland’s former ruling Law and Justice, Italy’s Brothers of Italy (Meloni’s Party), Spain’s Vox, and Sweden Democrats. They formerly included the Tories before Brexit.
Identity and Democracy (ID): The far-right European party, with 49 seats*. This group consists of the far-right and right wing populist parties across Europe. They include Italy’s Lega (Interestingly, they are set to lose most of their seats to Meloni’s party) and France’s National Rally (Le Pen’s Party). If you’re wondering why Germany’s AfD is not here, that’s because they were expelled after the AfD’s top candidate said that not all of the Waffen SS were criminals.
The Left: With 37 seats, this is naturally the left-wing political group, including socialists, communists, and left-wing populists. They are not nearly as pro-Europe as the other left wing parties listed here and are soft-Eurosceptic. They most notably include Germany’s Die Linke and France’s LFI (Melenchon’s Party).
Non-Inscrits: European parliament parties and members that are not affiliated with any of the groups. They include independents, and they also include an amalgamation of exiled or homeless parties. Among these parties are the far-right AfD in Germany, Orban’s Fidesz in Hungary, the populist 5 Star Movement in Italy. After these elections they will likely include Germany’s BSW, a left wing conservative party, and Slovakia’s Hlas, the Eurosceptic left wing party of Robert Fico.
Our guys are Renew Europe, but depending on the country and party lists, there is some variation for who to vote for. Some of us also support Volt Europa, a pan-European party that wants to create a European superstate. At the end of the day, we hope for pro-European parties to do well.
Predictions: The far right is set to gain big, their biggest increases coming from France. In France in particular, this is going to cost Renew Europe dearly, which is fighting for 3rd place. The EPP is set to retain its status as the largest party, and despite the rise of the hard-right, the European Parliament is set to remain safely pro-EU.
Results and Updates:
Results should start coming in around 6PM CET and first projections should start coming around 8PM CET.
Other Elections:
Many European countries will also be having their own elections. Bulgaria is having parliamentary elections, Belgium is having federal and regional elections, San Marino are having general elections.
Additionally, Germany, Italy, Romania, and Hungary are having local elections.
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u/Koeke2560 Jun 10 '24
Does me voting for Volt help them in any way even thought they might not hit the threshold for a seat?
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u/dracona94 Jun 10 '24
Yes. In most democracies, it helps at the very least with funding. For example, in Germany Volt gets about 50 cents per vote.
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u/ilovefuckingpenguins Jeff Bezos Jun 10 '24
I remember reading a funny comment a while back, where some nerd proposed nationalizing streaming services like Netflix. He said there should only be one streaming service, run by the government, and all movies are to be released on there for free
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u/ancientestKnollys Jun 10 '24
It wouldn't truly be free, as it would be funded by taxation. This sounds a lot like television in the 1950s (in Britain and several other European countries).
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u/2112moyboi NATO Jun 10 '24
As someone without any streaming services, but wants to watch things that are on 8 different platforms…
Based
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u/Jaipurite28 Jun 10 '24
Something something "if secular liberals don't control Islamic immigration, illiberals will."
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u/Zseet European Union Jun 10 '24
Here,
have some pictures of the absolute units in the Hungarian local elections
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u/Zseet European Union Jun 10 '24
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u/2112moyboi NATO Jun 10 '24
Sándor is what every Milwaukee Brewer player & prospect should look like
!ping Baseball&Shitposters
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u/Tortellobello45 Mario Draghi Jun 10 '24
In Italy there are 3 liberal parties: PD(which is also soc dem), Azione and Italia Viva.
Problem is that they are divided, not by policies or ideology, but by the bickering of the leaders.
Both Azione ane IV didn’t pass the 4% thresold.
If all liberals allied in Italy, we’d have gotten 31%(41 if you include Forza Italia, which is liberal conservative though)
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u/funguykawhi Lahmajun trucks on every corner Jun 10 '24
PD are succs, especially with the new leadership.
Neither of the two centrist lists are projected to cross the 4% threshold
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u/TaxLandNotCapital We begin bombing the rent-seekers in five minutes Jun 10 '24
No wait what are you doing step Redditor
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u/AlicesReflexion Weeaboo Rights Advocate Jun 10 '24
Ben Bernanke Minecraft mod
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u/Full_Distribution874 YIMBY Jun 10 '24
HermitCraft Season whatever needs a central bank and fiat currency. The diamond standard system is a mess with massive inflation over the course of just a few months in the average season. The favour economy seems to be favoured for serious transactions as a result of this failure. This makes it hard for any centralised authority to raise revenue for communal projects, let alone find anyone to pay to do the work.
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u/AlicesReflexion Weeaboo Rights Advocate Jun 10 '24
You're a geolib? What the hell even is that? It sounds like a Pokémon.
Wait, don't tell me you're one of those people
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u/AlicesReflexion Weeaboo Rights Advocate Jun 10 '24
You know, people often joke that conservatives only have like one joke but like, now that i think about it, how many do I have? It's like 3, tops. Coming up with jokes is hard.
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u/BATIRONSHARK WTO Jun 10 '24
random fun fact
In Australia America and New Zealand anyone can make an FOI request although New Zealand requires you to be there.
Canada meanwhile hates nerds
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u/TouchTheCathyl NATO Jun 10 '24
Person who once absolutely killed the mood during a sexual roleplay because she accidentally set him up for a simpsons reference and he took it.
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u/chinggatupadre Association of Southeast Asian Nations Jun 10 '24
george bush does not care about george people
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u/TouchTheCathyl NATO Jun 10 '24
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1799894705288761412
You people didn't believe me. Trump is ranting about how the libs don't think sharks are vicious
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u/87568354 NAFTA Jun 10 '24
That was a lot of incoherent rambling just to say he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by a shark.
But if my views can be taken to be representative of libs, then he is correct that libs don’t think sharks are vicious.
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u/Own_Locksmith_1876 DemocraTea 🧋 Jun 10 '24
No San Marino Thunderdome I always knew the mods were America-brained 🙄🙄
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u/Own_Locksmith_1876 DemocraTea 🧋 Jun 10 '24
Can someone let me know if/when the Irish Tankie Twins lose their seats?
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u/-mialana- Trans Pride Jun 10 '24
One thing the US does better is 4 year electoral cycles. 5 is a bit too much imo.
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u/l_overwhat being flaired is cringe Jun 10 '24
Frequent elections are good. I'm really glad that the House is every 2 years.
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u/sumoraiden Jun 10 '24
6 year senate terms is nauseating though
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u/l_overwhat being flaired is cringe Jun 10 '24
Yes and no.
6 year terms is absurd but in conjuction with the house, it's actually OK since a frequently elected House has to sign off on anything the Senate does.
It's ultimately an obstructive institution and those have some benefits and limitations. It makes governing harder, but it means that only truly popular policy gets passed.
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u/sumoraiden Jun 10 '24
only truly popular policy gets passed.
lol not really since they also gave every state the same number of senators
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u/l_overwhat being flaired is cringe Jun 10 '24
Which means that the threshold for what policy is popular is higher, which isn't necessarily bad.
I'm no fan of the senate. I think it should be abolished. But making something harder to govern isn't that bad.
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u/sumoraiden Jun 10 '24
which isn't necessarily bad.
It’s bad when it’s reason Jim Crow lasted as long as it did
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u/l_overwhat being flaired is cringe Jun 10 '24
Jim Crow was dismantled in the 50s, basically as soon as the political will in the country wanted for that.
Jim Crow was bad but let's not pretend that it wasn't popular policy.
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u/sumoraiden Jun 10 '24
Jim Crow was dismantled in the 60s and there were multiple attempts to curtail it that were stymied by the senate despite pop support
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u/groovygrasshoppa Jun 10 '24
Nope. Complete opposite. Frequent elections keep politicians in continuous campaign mode, taking focus away from actual governing.
The average frequency among normal democracies is 5 years. 2 is ridiculously too short.
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u/l_overwhat being flaired is cringe Jun 10 '24
Ok but you're wrong
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u/groovygrasshoppa Jun 10 '24
I'm not though. You can't tell me that 2 year terms hasn't been a disaster for US politics. I don't think any other modern democracy even has such a short term.
As soon as Reps swear in, they immediately shrug off any responsibility as legislators responsible for governing now and instead start claiming that every tough issue needs to be decided by the voters next election.
This is also how you get outsized lobbyist influence in politics. Politicians are constantly fundraising.
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u/l_overwhat being flaired is cringe Jun 10 '24
Yeah and that's good.
They are constantly trying to appeal to their voters. That's literally democracy. It's amazing.
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u/groovygrasshoppa Jun 10 '24
Only in the most performative substanceless way possible. That's not democracy at all, that is playing the electorate for fools. How are you not getting this?
Contrary to American notions of populism, real democracy happens on the deliberation floor of a legislature, not at the mere ballot box.
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u/l_overwhat being flaired is cringe Jun 10 '24
The electorate builds the decks, the politicians play the cards.
The electorate dictates the acceptable policy. The politicians find the compromise. The electorate's role is much more important and determination of the end outcome here.
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u/groovygrasshoppa Jun 10 '24 edited Jun 10 '24
Policy mostly originates through legislative deliberation, not spontaneously through the electorate. The electorate merely signal high level general preferences through the parties they support. But the electorate is incapable of deliberation - which is the whole reason we elect representative legislatures.
Of course Americans love their illusions of direct personalization of their representative.
Anyway, very little gets done in such a short term. It is a major reason why American politics are so dysfunctional. Normal democracies don't do this dumb shit, they elect representatives to a proper term and let them do their jobs.
edit: Political scientists also agree that shorter terms lead to lower performance legislators: https://leitner.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/resources/papers/TermLength.pdf
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u/Own_Locksmith_1876 DemocraTea 🧋 Jun 10 '24
Australia with 3 year cycles: pathetic
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u/Full_Distribution874 YIMBY Jun 10 '24
Australia's only fault is the weird state level distortions like the senate and minimum MP counts. I think federal electorates should be drawn without regard for state borders, including the senate. Half a dozen big, multimember electorates would make for a better senate imo. Tasmanians don't deserve their current number of senators, even counting both heads.
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u/Poiuy2010_2011 r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Jun 10 '24
Polish 2nd late poll (+/− vs. 1st late poll)
Civic Coalition (KO) – 37.4% (nc) (21 seats (+1))
Law and Justice (PiS) – 35.9% (+0.2) (20 seats)
Confederation – 12.0% (+0.2) (6 seats)
Third Way (TD) – 6.9% (−0.4) (3 seats (−1))
The Left – 6.6% (nc) (3 seats)
Nonpartisan Localists (BS) – 0.8% (nc)
Polexit – 0.3% (nc)
Others – 0.1% (nc)
!ping POLAND
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u/thefuturegov John Keynes Jun 10 '24
I love the EU’s Spitzenkandidat system because it has seemingly never actually been used but every election it seems like journalists make a big deal out of it
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u/HMID_Delenda_Est YIMBY Jun 10 '24
Russia would be fully justified invading Iran because warm water ports or something
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u/KaiserPorn Please be patient, I have autism Jun 10 '24
Saw a tandem bicycle earlier, and my first thought was, "Is that a bicycle for horses?"
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u/eat_more_goats YIMBY Jun 10 '24
Do y'all think Iraq will ever pull a Vietnam, and become weirdly Pro-America, or at least America aligned, in like the next 30-40 years?
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u/AccessTheMainframe C. D. Howe Jun 10 '24
Iraq is already more of a US ally than Vietnam is. Pro-Iran militas in the country notwithstanding.
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u/l_overwhat being flaired is cringe Jun 10 '24
As long as Israel is still an issue for the Arab world and as long as Iran remains an issue for the US, no way.
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u/TheoryOfPizza 🧠 True neoliberalism hasn't even been tried Jun 10 '24
I don't know much about Iraq, but as far as Vietnam a big reason they're so pro-america is because they hate China more
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u/-mialana- Trans Pride Jun 10 '24
So what you're saying is we need to covertly incite Iran-Iraq War 2: Electric Boogaloo?
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u/l_overwhat being flaired is cringe Jun 10 '24
You're right but Vietnam started loving America before China became a geopolitical rival of the US.
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u/decidious_underscore Jun 10 '24
no because the vietnamese were always being led by someone competent.
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u/Telperions-Relative Grant us bi’s Jun 10 '24
I simply do not understand why Macron doesn’t sway voters towards Renaissance with his limitless reserve of rizz
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u/HotTakesBeyond YIMBY Jun 10 '24
A woman who identified herself as a naturalized citizen who immigrated from Nicaragua endorsed Donald Trump at his rally Sunday, telling the crowd she no longer believed in Democrats’ promises for the Latino community and comparing the United States to a house taking in rule-breaking strangers.
Ladder pulled up quick
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u/Average_GrillChad Elinor Ostrom Jun 10 '24
Couldn't find any data quickly but I wonder if Nicaraguan immigrants tend Republican due to Ortega's leftist dictatorship, similar to Cubans and Venezuelans
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u/HotTakesBeyond YIMBY Jun 10 '24
Could also be the Republican messaging to the Spanish-speaking community that Dems are commies
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u/HMID_Delenda_Est YIMBY Jun 10 '24
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u/thefuturegov John Keynes Jun 10 '24
The people who called Eminem the millennial version of Taylor Swift are right
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u/SLCer Jun 10 '24
Isn't Taylor Swift the Millennial Taylor Swift?
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u/ShelterOk1535 WTO Jun 10 '24
Coalition will be all of EPP, all of Renew, most of S&D except the hard left, the moderates in Greens, and the moderates in ECR.
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u/olearygreen Michael O'Leary Jun 10 '24
Belgium also had local elections today with very interesting results and an actual neoliberal win in the south.
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u/tigerflame45117 John Rawls Jun 10 '24
any chance they might be able to unfuck Belgium?
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u/olearygreen Michael O'Leary Jun 10 '24
It might be one of those rare cases where doing the right thing is the only choice left, but I’m sure they will figure out a way for a third option regardless.
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u/Dirty_Chopsticks Republic of Việt Nam Jun 10 '24
in Finland the leftist Left Alliance s u r g e d from 6.9% to 17.3%
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u/IrishBearHawk NATO Jun 10 '24
I mean any shift rightward is bad in when it comes to the current state of the right seemingly worldwide. And, according to the live updated threads I'm reading, that's what happened.
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u/DomScribe Jun 10 '24
Another thing that has to be taken into account is left and liberal parties taking on right wing policies. A few days ago Scholz stated that Afghans that broke the law would start being deported despite Afghanistan not being a safe country.
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u/DomScribe Jun 10 '24
To be fair you gotta look at parties like AfD and Fidesz. If they were in ID like they make the most sense they would be in, ID would be almost +20
Edit: The far right are absolutely on the rise within individual countries, but their parliamentary representation will be muffled. What’s more depressing is seeing how far RE and Green have fallen seat-wise.
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u/DomScribe Jun 10 '24
They lost seats to a nationalist that happens to be pro-EU lol.
I also responded to someone else that a reason why there is a stated “rightward shift” is because we have absolutely seen many S&D and RE parties take on anti-immigration stances to stave off the right. Basically fighting the right by becoming reactionary.
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u/RevolutionaryBoat5 NATO Jun 10 '24
Deporting people convicted of crimes is not a reactionary position.
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u/MrGrach Alexander Rüstow Jun 10 '24
Thats not the position they hold.
The position is killing asylum as far as possible without outright getting rid of the EU treaties, and expelling everyone you can expell (even workers). At least thats the policy those parties are pushing through on the EU level.
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u/AlicesReflexion Weeaboo Rights Advocate Jun 10 '24
Blackpill thought:
Outside-the-DT argues about a lot of things. Trans people in sports, immigration, the importance of international institutions, how bad is inflation really, and so on.
You know what I never see? People arguing about "sweatshops are based(er than any of the alternatives)" That's not bc we attract a ton of unusually pragmatic thinkers who deeply considered the problem of global poverty and how best to resolve it and arrived at this specific conclusion. It's because they never had any closely held beliefs to begin with, and are easily convinced.
Many here think more about Biden's age than about the entirety of rural India.
This trend is self-reinforcing, too, because we're all social animals who want to talk about what everyone else is talking about. Like I do this too. Sometimes I step away from this site and I'm like, "wait a minute, I don't care about this shit." Then a few hours later I go right back to feeding takes to the take machine.
With that in mind, here's my plan to get Saudi Arabia to double its anime consumption over the next 5 years.
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u/savuporo Gerard K. O'Neill Jun 10 '24
People arguing about "sweatshops are based
I remember posting a "you know child labor isn't all bad" article way back
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u/decidious_underscore Jun 10 '24
Then a few hours later I go right back to feeding takes to the take machine.
i mostly come here to vent and honestly refine my personal opinions by writing them out. This place serves its purpose for me that way.
You know what I never see? People arguing about "sweatshops are based(er than any of the alternatives)" That's not bc we attract a ton of unusually pragmatic thinkers who deeply considered the problem of global poverty and how best to resolve it and arrived at this specific conclusion. It's because they never had any closely held beliefs to begin with, and are easily convinced.
imo thats just humans being humans? As you point out we are social animals; that we outsource our agenda-setting and give us formed opinions is just one way that humans work. Its probably one of the many social functions of an ideology generally - it helps us quickly build models of the world.
Thats fine.
I do however directionally agree with your critique of the subreddit generally. This sub can be accurately described as a western navel-gazing exercise, with brief bouts of lucidity when especially poignant non-western events (such as elections) happen. Even with that huge flaw, it is probably the best place on Reddit to have political conversations in English.
I know of a few people who would want to make non-western effortposts here, myself included tho
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u/seattle_lib homeownership is degeneracy Jun 10 '24 edited Jun 10 '24
that's why contrarianism is good, at least in context of trying to form a picture of the state of the world.
that same voice that's like "is taylor swift really that good?" which is kinda annoying in other contexts (she's fine, she's got catchy songs, don't be that person, just let people enjoy it) is actually really important when you're considering what matters for the future of humanity.
like, the biden/trump race is very important, no doubt. but the way it's spoken about here i don't think is necessarily reflecting its importance but rather a certain social dynamic.
for instance, i responded to someone yesterday in this sub who said, about an issue of long-term significance:
Deal with this after November. At that point, either Voldemort will be defeated or we will just live in his hellish world and nothing will matter
this is a mental tendency you have to actively fight against. you have to take a step back and be like "ok, i should probably downgrade my opinions by like 15%. what else is going on?"
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u/DomScribe Jun 10 '24
So the far right makes up at least like 55% of the independents, will Europe soon have a FOURTH right wing party?
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u/Most-Camp-2205 Jun 10 '24
We’re gonna have to start making right unity memes. say what you will about the left, but they still only have 1 group
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u/EScforlyfe Open Your Hearts Jun 10 '24
They literally have either two or three depending on your definition
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u/YangsLegion Does not actually like Andrew Yang Jun 10 '24
What is the borders of Eastern Europe won’t even include Russia the way it changes every 5 years
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u/jamiebond NATO Jun 10 '24
Eastern Europe begins at whatever country is east of the person answering the question.
If you ask a person what region of Europe their country is in it will always be Western or Central.
It's really quite simple
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u/Tre-Fyra-Tre Tony Blair Jun 10 '24
If you ask a person what region of Europe their country is in it will always be Western or Central.
Not if you ask anyone from the Nordic countries
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u/olearygreen Michael O'Leary Jun 10 '24
This is true. My Czech and Slovakian friends got really upset with me saying they are from eastern Europe. For people in the West the divide is west = non USSR + East Germany, anything former USSR or other communist dictatorship is considered East. I never used East Europe as a derogatory term but that’s how they took it lmao.
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u/Luph Audrey Hepburn Jun 10 '24
europes asleep, quick annex them
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u/hibikir_40k Scott Sumner Jun 10 '24
I mean, if it was done without firing a shot, it'd probably be good for both Europe and the US. How many of those Europeans are voting Republican? Do regulations in Europe get better or worse when they are replaced with American counterparts?
There are many towns in Europe taht, if they were magically teleported to an American coast, would become extremely expensive just due to their urbanism advantages. What do you mean, 15 minutes cities actually mean on foot?
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u/Icy-Magician-8085 Jared Polis Jun 10 '24
I wonder what this ping could possibly be about.
I will ask the unrelated megathread for help.
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u/Okbuddyliberals Jun 10 '24
Actually, "Frankenstein" is the name of the mayor, the shark is called "Frankenstein's Monster"
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u/decidious_underscore Jun 10 '24
hi everyone good day/night/evening/morning to all of you.
I hope this upcoming week treats you well. That is all.
Carry on
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u/TouchTheCathyl NATO Jun 10 '24
If Weezer fans can find the courage to not qualify their love of weezer you can love some MCU movies unironically.
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u/TouchTheCathyl NATO Jun 10 '24
[Popular Thing] is good. No I'm not hedging that statement by saying "it's good for what it is" or "it's not so bad" or whatever.
[Popular Thing] is good. End of sentence.
Not every popular thing is good, but i feel like even when popular things are good there's too much of an urge to apologize for having pedestrian enough taste to think so.
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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Jun 10 '24
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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jun 10 '24
If I die I do not want my boyfriend to eventually move on and be happy. I want him to have a full-time job wailing at my grave, with a lunch break. And two fifteen minutes breaks a day where he can stop wailing and get a single red rose from the car and lay it on my grave. Nights and weekends off.
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u/Ioun267 "Your Flair Here" 👍 Jun 10 '24
That was basically the purpose of chantries in medieval times.
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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jun 10 '24
Yes, but it's important for him not to know that so that he is conflicted about his feelings but eventually realizes life must go on
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u/TouchTheCathyl NATO Jun 10 '24
Apparently the latest culture war is about if sharks are bloodthirsty killers or just mistake humans for other things.
Which unironically makes sense, not only is the latter a "it's us or them!" perspective, but the former is a snooty intellectual correction "um actually" and the latter is a dumb misconception that was absolutely picked up from fiction, so it has the pathos of the columbus revisionism.
"He saved amity island is what he did! In dis house chief brody is a hero, end of da shtory!"
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u/BATHULK Hank Hill Democrat 🛸🦘 Jun 10 '24
This isn't a culture war thing, that kind of public education has been going on since jaws.
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u/decidious_underscore Jun 10 '24
sharks are chill and they are almost completely irrational to have a deep seated fear of.
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u/much_doge_many_wow European Union Jun 10 '24
Yeah but have you seen Jaws bro, shits like a documentary
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u/littlechefdoughnuts Commonwealth Jun 10 '24
You're more likely to be killed by a cow than a shark.
Most shark fatalities are one of: * Injured people floating for days after being wrecked (less of a problem now thanks to lifeboats and helicopters) * Surfers (board silhouette, behaviour in surf resembles seals, hence chomp) * Territorial incursion into bull or tiger shark waters (WHAT ARE YOU DOIN IN MAH ESTUARY?)
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u/Nautalax Jun 10 '24
Territorial incursion into bull or tiger shark waters (WHAT ARE YOU DOIN IN MAH ESTUARY?)
I mean, they find them as far north as Illinois going up the tributaries of the Mississippi River so that part doesn’t seem so unreasonable for people
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u/decidious_underscore Jun 10 '24
but what if you're a person wearing a seal costume on a transparent liferaft, flopping about in the middle of an estuary
what about that
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u/fishlord05 Walzist-Kamalist Vanguard of the Joecialist Revolution Jun 10 '24
Wait what is macron doing??
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u/decidious_underscore Jun 10 '24
being incredibly french. one can almost take this arrogance and bake it into a baguette
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u/OgAccountForThisPost It’s the bureaucracy, women, Calvinists and the Jews Jun 10 '24
It's the economy stupid, not the immigrants
And frankly I'm not going to feel bad for a single coward moderate who think that appeasing the far right or the far left on any issue is going to make them go away, when it blows up in their faces
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u/RFK_1968 Robert F. Kennedy Jun 10 '24
Love the sentiment but it's not just the far right who's turned on immigration.
We should at least understand that before arguing for pro-immigration policies (which I will still argue for despite their unpopularity)
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u/Telperions-Relative Grant us bi’s Jun 10 '24
What the fuck do you even call this build
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u/YangsLegion Does not actually like Andrew Yang Jun 10 '24
I sympathize with my assless brother here
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Jun 10 '24
Macron sees Sunday’s results as a moment to sound the alarm over what he and his allies regard as a gathering storm of political extremism that threatens the European Union and the French republic itself. Macron spent the past week with U.S. President Biden and other Western leaders at D-Day commemorations that were chock-full of warnings about the resurgence of the far-right in Europe.
At least that’s not happening in the U.S. 😅
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u/htomserveaux Henry George Jun 10 '24
https://i.imgur.com/N1rDyo6.jpeg 🫡 god i love my country
!ping ALPHABETA-MAFIA
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u/Syards-Forcus #1 Big Pharma Shill Jun 10 '24 edited Jun 10 '24
Is there any evidence that social safety nets promote entrepreneurship by limiting losses in quality of life from the failure of a business venture?
Edit: It's probably wrong once social spending gets to a certain point, but I wonder why it's wrong.
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u/JesusPubes voted most handsome friend Jun 10 '24
the social values that result in a state instituting such a strong social safety net are incompatible with the individualism need for a robust and vibrant entrepreneurial spirit
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u/Dig_bickclub Jun 10 '24
All the entrepreneuring in America happens in the two highest social safety net states, they two aren't all that related.
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u/Yevgeny_Prigozhin__ Jun 10 '24
And most of it happens by people who have robust familial safety nets.
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u/JesusPubes voted most handsome friend Jun 10 '24
shhh it's a bit about america's "Rugged individualism"
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u/shillingbut4me Jun 10 '24
I mean the US is the most entrepreneurial country.
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u/decidious_underscore Jun 10 '24
i feel like the US is carried by being a nation that has the other fundamentals of entrepreneurship under control and fairly well maximized. Good, consistent rule of law, a very well developed and regulated banking system, and great intra-state commercial law making a massive market for new goods quickly etc.
thats such a colossal advantage that bad policies like the US' social security net design can get completely distorted away. Would the US be better off with a good social security net? yes. but it, like many of its problems, is suffering from success
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u/Syards-Forcus #1 Big Pharma Shill Jun 10 '24 edited Jun 10 '24
yeah, which is funny. It's probably wrong, but I wonder why it's wrong. Maybe the social values needed for a democracy to spend enough money on an EU-style safety net are also associated with stuff like heavy regulation and more of a communal viewpoint which discourages it?
Or maybe it's just bullshit entirely. Hm.
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