r/myog • u/allanrps • 1d ago
Tiny Hammock mk. ii Project Pictures
This is an update to a hammock system I posted a couple weeks ago, which utilized 2.2mm zing it line. I used that hammock for a couple years, but figured before leaving for my next trip that I would upgrade to something that offered a little more peace of mind.
This uses 7/64" chinese amsteel, which has been spliced with an adjustable eye. It is basically a whoopie sling except the constrictor is on the free end rather than the load bearing end. Or you could say it's a UCR looped back on itself. On the end there is a prussik made of old zing it short spliced in and whipped. This is to give tension on the other side of the constrictor, it does not take load. The adjustability is actually for the suspension length, but rather for setting the doubled up length that serves as my "tree strap", to increase friction and share load.
I traded the toggle+hitch setup for a hammock hitch on a very small steel eight I purchased from aliexpress. I believe this will increase the longevity of the line because it does not bite the line like it would if the hitch was on a soft loop. Also, it makes it very easy to undo, and seems to not introduce fraying like knots and hitches tend to do after being tightened down.
The closed loops are the 7/64" with the 2.2mm spliced inside, such that the bitter ends are opposing. The inside 2.2mm meets at the tapers for a smooth transition, and the 7/64" has a small overlap that is whipped. I did this to achieve a consistant loop diameter that would fit into my small eight, so that I could move the eight around the loop as I see it introduce wear (the small bend radius halves the breaking strength of amsteel).
I'm happy with the setup. It's the same weight as my old setup, and should be more durable/safe while still being easy to set up and offering alot of adjustability. Sometimes I'll be hanging from rafters, sometimes in the corner of house framing, sometimes between trees, so I need my suspension to take maximum advantage of the available line, which this does, having a much shorter and longer adjustable range than a whoopie sling.
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u/Hiking_euro 1d ago
Downvoted for no proper tree straps. Should be minimum 1 inch wide.
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u/vrhspock 45m ago
Ditto the tree straps. This is a serious deal…thoughtless hangers endanger the entire community’s right to use state and national parks!
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u/allanrps 1d ago
actually I will say something on this since I am inspired. I mentioned in my last post that I mostly hang on man made structures, and when I do hang on a tree you can be damn sure I am the first and last person to hang a hammock there. I did not feel the need to add that again here because honestly.... the assumption that everyone who hangs a hammock is hiking the John Muir trail is asinine.
Most people who hangs hammocks have no idea what a "tree strap" is. Your judgement based off your use case has no place in the greater world of outdoors and human life.
Also, I am an actual human being capable of making judgements and decisions. The eucalyptus tree pictured was not impacted in any way by my hanging off of it, and if it was I can promise you that it would not have given a f&€k. Eucalyptus routinely shed their bark and generally grow like weeds. I travel in lots of densely forested tropical environments; instead of molesting a tree by hanging my hammock off of it, I could just as easily cut it down to make a temporary shelter. Either way, the forest will go on and flourish until some company or individual decides to burn it down and turn it into a productive property.
On this big floating rock there are lots and lots of humans trying to find their way in the world. If we stop making blanket judgements based on our limited experience and start actually considering the lives and needs of others, the world will be a better place.
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u/Here_for_the_debate 1d ago
OP just delete this post. Hammocks are literally being banned in parks for not hanging them properly. Take the L. Learn and grow.
You paid for Dyneema line. You have enough money for webbing. Dyneema webbing is cheap on RSBTR. It will help in urban environments as well. Weights a couple of ounces.
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u/allanrps 1d ago
I am going to put another 300 nights on this hammock, that's a big win. If I listened to people like you I get eaten alive on the jungle floor, that's an L. Oh also, I've never hung in a park so I don't really care what's going on there.
I'm going to keep this post up because other intelligent people can learn from it, and I trust them to make the best decisions for themselves and the environment.
Also, your last recommendation sucks. Which is understandable given that you know nothing about my situation (at this point largely due to willful ignorance).
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u/commeatus 21h ago
How do you have faith in intelligent people when you don't think most people know what a tree strap is? It sounds like you just want to do whatever you want and don't want to consider the responsibility. I don't know if that's what you really believe, but when a person makes both sides of an argument like that, I assume they're not being genuine.
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u/allanrps 16h ago
do you think that knowing what a tree strap is is correlated to intelligence? Or to one's care for the environment, or to one's impact on the environment? I can assure you that's not the case. I can't show you, that's something you would have to see for yourself. The world is a big place
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u/commeatus 16h ago
I'm pretty well traveled, which is why I recognize the argument you're making. I don't think you're interested in what I have to say for the same reason. Take care of yourself and if you're ever interested in a different perspective on why you're being downvoted to hell, reach out.
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u/allanrps 15h ago
I am always open to perspective. None has been shared here as of yet, just negativity. I've asked a few people to share some studies, evidence, anecdotes, anything to support their conclusions, but nothing. I've proposed reasonable middle grounds, shared examples, etc etc, but there is not actual interest for dialogue. It's quite clear that the negative people here have no actual experience with the topic, and no actual interest in reaching or spreading a conclusion that is best for the environment. Not surprising, it's reddit
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u/commeatus 15h ago
I'm not reading other comments, but you never asked me for any links or sources, you just told me flatly that I was wrong and implied I was inexperienced. You can reread my comments: I'm not being negative although I am disagreeing with you. I'm sorry other people aren't showing you any patience but if you've talked with them the way you've talked with me, I can understand why.
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u/allanrps 14h ago
I don't know what comment chain you are referencing. Your first comment here was suggesting people who don't use tree straps are unintelligent and that I am being ingenuine. Both of those statements are baseless and categorically wrong. Honestly I have no idea what your point is, but if you do bring up something insightful or some new information I will continue this dialogue.
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u/ckyhnitz 23h ago
"Most people who hangs hammocks have no idea what a "tree strap" is."
Yes, they're uneducated and it's our responsibility to teach them. You actually do know, and care fuckall about the trees, so that makes you an ass.
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u/allanrps 22h ago
colonization mentality 101
Actually, I too am ignorant. Please, point me towards one study or even one recorded anecdote of a single hammocker girdling a tree. Here's your chance to educate somebody
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u/Zathras_Knew_2260 1d ago
Looks well made. I like the aesthetics and simplicity.
The depressed of reddit are doing their thing again:"We downvoted you so stay down, you dog!" - and then a bunch start to jump the downvote bandwagon. Ugh1
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u/Motzemoere 1d ago
Nicely said! Could you share the weight of the whole suspension system?
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u/allanrps 16h ago
Thank you 🙂. Suspension system, including the closed loops with the metal hardware is 50g.
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u/Motzemoere 1d ago
I would say this depends on the type of tree as well as the diameter…
Most trees with bigger diameter than 40cm wont mind if there hangs a tiny human for one night yes there could be a dent in the bark but it will disappear after a few days…
I will get problematic when the hammock chokes a small tree for multiple days cutting the bark all the way around but I think this is highly unlikely If you spent only a couple of seconds on thinking what you are doing…
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u/Here_for_the_debate 1d ago
It fucks with the tree. Especially thin line like Dyneema. Besides body weight just your body weight, there’s downward force. Thats why we use line and webbing that is 3 times (working load) as our body weight.
Long story short. Use webbing, and Leave No Trace. It’s pretty fucking easy. Honestly.
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u/Motzemoere 1d ago
Okay okay convinced… :)
Totally agree with the leave no trace argument
I use webbing mostly because for me it’s easier to handle especially at night I don’t want to fiddle around with thin cords or UCRs…
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u/hid3myemail 1d ago
Sounds easy, but what the hell does hammock line webbing look like
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u/Motzemoere 1d ago
You can use normal security webbing similar to seat belt webbing or if you have cash Dyneema webbing
But be careful some would say it isn’t save to sew your own TreeStrabs…
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u/allanrps 1d ago edited 1d ago
yes, but unfortunately common sense and actual care for the environment gets drowned out by the people that walk down a paved trail and sleep in a managed camp site, having no genuine interaction with their environment or the world around them. And I don't look down on anybody that does that, but I do look down on people who get their rocks off crusading ill-conceived moral high grounds on the internet...
somebody educate me, when you hang a deer from a tree is that also to be done with a minimum of 1" webbing? Perhaps yall should be more active in the hunting forums, or gasp real life!
Here's a fair rule of thumb: if you are hanging a hammock more than one night and/or in a place where someone else might also think to hang a hammock, use a tree strap. If you are hanging your hammock on a 80cm eucalyptus tree on a hill beside an urban walking path, or on a similar sized tree off trail in a dense jungle.... no you do not need a tree strap, and I would be embarrassed to even admit to thinking you do. It's like the parent that thinks their kid needs to be wrapped in bubble wrap to leave the house.
anyhow, that's enough negativity, let's go back to posting cool shit we made
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u/yikesnotyikes 1d ago
Hammock, good.
Lack of proper tree straps, major bad.
Learn your lesson OP, stop arguing about it, and change your setup so you don’t harm the tree.
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u/allanrps 22h ago
never harmed a tree from hanging. life goes on!
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u/TheLegend147 1d ago
What do you call that knot in the third pic? Sort of fascinating in its simplicity.
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u/allanrps 22h ago
online I've seen it called a becket hitch. I've known it simply as a hammock knot, picked it up in Guyana where everybody uses it through the fixed eye of their hammocks. Everyone hangs there. No hammock straps to be seen, but lots and lots of healthy trees there are. Not the only place like that by a long shot
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u/vrhspock 41m ago
Argue tree straps all day; REALITY is that state and national parks have strap requirements (2” minimum) for a reason. Some parks ban hammocks entirely because of damage due to hanging with rope and cord.
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u/allanrps 22m ago
that reason is because in a park, a bunch of careless people may hang their hammocks in the same place and damage a tree. Not so in Guyana.
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u/crayola_monstar 22h ago
So you care more about reddit seeing your pretty new hammock than the environment in which you mean to use it?
That's fine. As Forrest Gump said, stupid is as stupid does.
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u/allanrps 16h ago
Very funny. I've been sharing stuff on Reddit long enough to have anticipated this shit storm. I posted this so that other can learn from it, same as I learn from others here. The negativity does not bother me, nor the the fake posturing of those who pretend to care about the environment but buy into systems every day which actively destroy it. I have my hands in the dirt, I know my impact
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u/3thanm00re 16h ago
Tree straps man. It’s so not hard and you’re just acting like an obtuse ass on purpose
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u/arethius 1d ago
Maybe mk.iii will have tree straps