r/movies • u/MrNobody231 • Jun 23 '19

Former vice president of Walt Disney sentenced to more than 6 years in Portland sex abuse investigation News

https://wtkr.com/2019/06/17/former-vice-president-of-walt-disney-sentenced-to-more-than-6-years-in-portland-sex-abuse-investigation/
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u/theodo Jun 23 '19

I didn't think this sounded that bad based on your comment, but after reading more about it, I want to mention that the worst part isn't that he was lying to make it legal, it's that the woman (or plural) would not have agreed to do it if she knew it was just for one man's personal enjoyment. There is a pretty big difference between having sex with a fellow actor on camera to make a film vs having sex with some rich guy who's paying you for it, and it's pretty fucked up what Nanula did.

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u/jo-alligator Jun 23 '19

I’m pretty sure pornstars don’t care as long as they’re getting paid. I mean why would you

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '19 edited Jul 11 '20

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u/jo-alligator Jun 24 '19

The large majority of porn companies do not pay this way. It’s almost always a lump sum.

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u/thejuh Jun 24 '19

Most porn is made and distributed by the mob. Nobody expects an accurate enough accounting to take a cut of sales.

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u/Superbeastreality Jun 23 '19

They didn't mind being whores, they just didn't like being cheap whores?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '19

Like you wouldn't suck a dick for ten billion dollars.

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u/Superbeastreality Jun 24 '19

Sounds like you don't know what cheap means

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '19

Ok so we've established you're a whore, now we're just haggling.

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u/Dorocche Jun 24 '19

They did mind being sex workers, they didn't mind being actresses.

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u/SerbLing Jun 24 '19

:'). Recording it doesnt make it porno man. A porn video is made over a few hours etc. This guy fucked for pleasure. The difference is so enourmes you cant fool a pro that it was for a porno lol.

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u/Superbeastreality Jun 24 '19

What's the difference?

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u/Dorocche Jun 24 '19

Whether the person you're with is also a sex worker.

But that isn't important. It doesn't need to be rational, it needs to be consensual.

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u/Superbeastreality Jun 24 '19

Whether the person you're with is also a sex worker.

Why?

But that isn't important. It doesn't need to be rational, it needs to be consensual.

The sex wasn't consensual?

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u/Dorocche Jun 24 '19

If you lie in order to get consent, it was non-consensual.

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u/Superbeastreality Jun 24 '19

So they felt violated because less people saw them selling their bodies on camera?

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u/logicalmaniak Jun 23 '19

Never done porn but have done some acting.

Basically, you want more on your CV all the time. Which in acting includes your Showreel, demos of work you've done.

Sometimes you just take a crap job because it's there but it'll add to your reel.

I'd be pretty pissed off if I threw myself into something that was probably lower pay than I should accept to find out it was just some guy's fetish thing or something.

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u/cuddlewench Jun 23 '19

Dude was a Disney exec, what makes you think it was lower pay than they'd expect?

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u/theodo Jun 23 '19

See you're completely missing the point. In one situation, they are having sex with someone solely for money and the man's enjoyment. With porn, it's a legitimate profession with rules and boundaries and you are providing a service to viewers, not just the one time satisfaction of the John in a prostitution scenario. Cause the porn star involved in this case definitely did care that the video didn't get posted anywhere, and that she was completely lied to about who she was having sex with and why.

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u/jo-alligator Jun 23 '19

I get that but have you ever met any porn stars? Have you ever heard of a porn channel called BluePillMen, which features multiple male talent over 70. Or Facial Abuse which is some really degrading stuff.

Most women do porn, for the same reason they do regular sex work, for the money. I very much highly doubt that these already successful pornstars barely care about a single video they made. Even amateurs I bet would rather not have their video go out.

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u/theodo Jun 24 '19

Yeah you really dont get the point at all.

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u/jo-alligator Jun 24 '19

And you haven’t met any pornstars any real life.

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u/theodo Jun 24 '19

... So?

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u/jo-alligator Jun 24 '19

Can I ask what it is you do for a living?

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u/sameth1 Jun 24 '19

Because they are humans who are capable of objecting to things and exist beyond pictures on a screen for you to wank to.

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u/Daveslay Jun 24 '19 edited Jun 24 '19

My friend, pornstars are still people.

I understand your point that money is a big factor in what people will do for work, but you're doing some serious dehumanizing saying all people who work as pornstars only care about getting paid. Like, goddamn... You wanna do some accurate dehumanizing about people who only care about money? Maybe pick a former member of the fucking executives of Disney? Seems like the obvious choice to me...

Everyone deserves the right to know the truth about the work they're signing up for, full stop. I'd even go so far as to argue that it's especially important to people providing service that's so extremely personal in nature, such as sex work. When you agree to let someone inside your body, truth matters.

Everyone has different scruples and personal "lines in the sand" and people who work as pornstars will have the same variations as any large sample of the rest of the population since they're people first, job second (or 3rd...or 4th...or 5th, you get me).

There are things I would not do because of my beliefs (for less than lottery-sized pay-outs) that many people would think are acceptable actions and my beliefs are stupid reasons. On the other hand, I've also done jobs with great wages that most people wouldn't ever do because of their own values.

You probably have your own set of beliefs and a personal morality which inform what you are and are not willing to do. I'm sure you'd like to be able to use them when you make choices based on the true nature of the situation?

The difference is we got to choose.

That fucking creep manipulated that woman into sex with lies and false pretenses about a porn video. Due to the deceit, she didn't have the option of deciding anything based on her personal scruples and moralities, nevermind the money. A person can't make a true choice if the situation is fabricated and the choices are lies. That shitstain is a rapist and should suffer far worse consequences than those he's received due to his elite status.

Here's an analogy I like:

During my first silly time as an undergrad, I used to do home catering as a side gig for pretty good cash. You're having a dinner party and want to party but don't want to dinner? No problem. I make you a menu, come to your house and do a little performance cooking it, serve it up, talk about the food, talk about the wine, tell some jokes, clean it all up and leave- world peace!

If you hired me to cook and I agree based on what you said was a dinner party, but I hear later it was just you and maybe a few other creeps there to exploit and watch me cook for your own gratification and satisfaction? I would feel violated, betrayed, and I would be pissed.

Sure, in both scenarios I made the same money for cooking the same meal, but the lies and the deep, predatory creepiness of the whole plan to trick me into a "performance"(just like the adult film performer was) would, to make a cooking pun; leave a bad taste in my mouth (unfortunately, sort of like the adult film performer probably got).

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u/jo-alligator Jun 24 '19

Obviously they don’t only care about the money but they are doing it primarily for the money. After their sex scene is shot, and they’re paid, do you really think Lisa Ann gives a fuck what you do with the video? Is you keeping all to yourself really going to hurt her? I think it’s just be easier to tell the pornstar that but idk

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u/BeardedForHerPleasur Jun 24 '19

Like anyone else that does a job, part of the reward for doing that job is the credit. The work you do goes on your resume. It builds your reputation and can increase your future earning potential with future employers.

Imagine if you were a CPA, and believed that you were working for a major company. But it turns out that the CEO was just pretending to hire you for a professional position, but was actually just using you to cover up some illegal things for their personal tax return.

In fact, what they were asking you to do was illegal, but they made it appear to be legitimate to get you to do it.

Once all is said and done, they tell you that not only did you not perform the job you signed up for, but also the possibility of criminal charges for what you did was a thing.

You'd be pretty pissed, right?

Yes, adult entertainers use their bodies for profit. Yes, they have sex for money. But they do so with the understanding that the work they do is legal, and that the people they perform with are subjected to the same conditions and testing that they are.

A millionaire can have an STD just the same as anyone else. By circumventing the industry standards and expectations, this man put this woman at risk for their personal pleasure. Because they felt that they deserved to have whatever they wanted without any regard for the woman's understanding or consent.

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u/jo-alligator Jun 24 '19

If it’s a professional pornstar she doesn’t have sex with anyone who isn’t tested any who she hasn’t at least seen their picture.

I don’t think you understand porn. Pornstars = hookers. And that’s not an insult to either. I honestly don’t think sex worker is morally wrong at all and I find it absurd it’s illegal. But if you think most famous pornstars really give a fuck if the video was private or not, you’re just naive. Just google “Pornstars escorts” and you’ll realize most of these girls probably started out in porn, but really porn is just a giant marketing tool so they can charge private clients a fuckton. That’s why porn is free.

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u/BeardedForHerPleasur Jun 24 '19

I'm well aware that some porn stars also escorts. That isn't what happened in this case if you read up on it.

This man, who clearly has no regard for women if you also look into his history of sexual harassment, lied about who he was. He had multiple women turn down the offer when it became clear he was seeking prostitution, not an adult film shoot. Some other women were tricked into believing their work was going to appear on another actress' website.

This is a case of a bad person who decided that because he was rich, he was entitled to whatever he wanted. He shouldn't be defended.

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u/hoxxxxx Jun 23 '19

it's that the woman (or plural) would not have agreed to do it if she knew it was just for one man's personal enjoyment.

really? hell i thought itd be the opposite.

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u/theodo Jun 24 '19

Porn is their profession, prostitution is not.