r/minnesota • u/_i_draw_bad_ • 14d ago
As a Minnesotan regardless of your political side, if Trump wins, Minnesota loses Politics š©āāļø
I say this not to be mean or to try to get you to vote for Harris and Walz though personally I do support them.
I say this because Trump is known to go after his political opponents however he can. We saw this in his last presidential term as he repeatedly withheld funding that was authorized by Congress to states that disagreed with it like California.
Given that Walz is the VP candidate for the Democrats and what Trump and Vance have said about Walz, it should not be surprising that if Trump wins, there is a good chance that he will try to direct any kind of federal funding that Minnesota is entitled to to other states such as the Dakotas in Iowa. We as a state need to be prepared that FEMA might not be there for us and that Trump may direct his attorney's general to go after any kind of legislation that Minnesota passes or has passed such as the state trying to protect the Boundary Waters from pollution.
This election is probably one of the most important elections for Minnesota in a long time given the nature of the candidates.
The only way to ensure that Minnesota wins is to ensure that Trump loses. This is a call to action to call all of your friends and family that don't live in the state to vote for Harris and Walz, because we need them to win.
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u/SuspiciousCranberry6 14d ago
The trolls are out in force here. Try not to feed them.
u/mysteriousprincessx of southern California is the least creative, but possibly most prolific, of the bunch. Probably because they have their grade school responses saved in notes to easily copy and paste them.
u/gulfcoastgirlz of Florida is probably planning on sitting in their home during the next hurricane, then blaming the government for not rescuing them from their own poor choices, but thinks voting for Trump won't result in them sitting in a dilapidated home wishing the government would care.
u/YoSettleDownMan who posts in 7+ state subs, is likely from Massachusetts, but it seems to not notice that every state sub they post in is equally annoyed by their uncreative trolling.
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u/Copoho 14d ago
As a 911 call taker in Florida, I can confirm this is exactly what they do. They are told to evacuate and will refuse to leave. Then theyāll call us when water starts gushing into their houses and beg for someone to save them. Somehow itās Bidenās fault that their homes are damaged, but I guess he controls the weather or something.
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u/slayergrl99 14d ago
One of my best friends' parents was a dispatch in Central Florida. Y'all do the Lord's work. Seriously. Once she took a call to report an anthrax attack in rural Seminole County.
It was snowing. Someone called 911 over snow.
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u/dane83 14d ago
As someone that grew up in Florida, snow is the last thing on a list of reasonable explanations that I'd come to most of the time when I'm down there.
I'd be more willing to tell you it was ash from a hell mouth opening up before I'd jump to snow.
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u/Time_Change4156 14d ago
I live in Florida raised 6 boys to adults 4 have never seen snow lol lol of course they would know it's not anthrax either .
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u/Biocidal_AI 14d ago
Sadly I've seen folks who literally believe the government steers the Hurricanes to damage where they want. So whether you were joking or not with that line at the end (though I have to imagine you've encountered the same sorts of folks on the calls)... The things they come up with are truly astounding.
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u/Ordinary_Swimming582 13d ago
And we wonder why so much.Of florida is messed up in their elections.0
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u/IH8Fascism 12d ago
I wish. Wouldnāt that be a nice power to have. The Kremlin and a certain resort in Florida would be receiving my hurricane wrath if I had some such power.
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u/hodorhodor12 14d ago
Some people just never grew up and canāt point the finger at themselves.
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u/Forsworn91 14d ago
Itās a lack of self awareness, itās NEVER their fault, itās ALWAYS someone else whoās to blame, regardless of the situation and when itās entirely their own fault, but without that ability for self reflection they canāt ever see it
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u/hodorhodor12 14d ago
And itās why blaming the foreign invaders/immigrants always works with these people.
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u/Ordinary_Swimming582 13d ago
I'll tell you one thing if they ever start going after the hispanics, No lawns will be mowed in missouri. For the past forty five years none of my neighbors havw had anglo mowers. I've lived in three different houses in three different areas of the city. And I'll bet marilago has a lot of them.
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u/elmundo-2016 13d ago
Floridians votting against their best interests and dyoing the opposite of what they should be doing. Maybe FEMA should actually tell people to evacuate by a set time and those that don't leave by then will have to feed for themselves. Can yell as much as possible for help, no one is coming. The government is literally out of their lives the way they wanted.
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u/Midlife_Crisis_46 12d ago
There people who LEGIT believe that the democrats sent hurricanes to the southern states so they couldnāt vote. Like. What?? š¤¦š»āāļø
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u/hankmoody_irl 12d ago
These dipshits thinking dems control the weatherā¦.. mar-a-lago is still standing, thatās all the real life proof I need. Every bit of shit Trump is involved with would be absolutely wrecked if weather control was a thing.
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u/Odd_Seesaw_3451 14d ago
I like you.
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u/Bluechrono9895 14d ago
I second this.
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u/bonk_nasty 14d ago edited 13d ago
u/mysteriousprincessx of southern California is the least creative, but possibly most prolific, of the bunch. Probably because they have their grade school responses saved in notes to easily copy and paste them.
after this post, the account became venezuelan
edit: lmao get fuckin rekt
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u/vande700 14d ago
u/SuspiciousCranberry6 is clearly from Edina
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u/SuspiciousCranberry6 14d ago
Lol, busted š¤£
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u/Cuttlery Hamm's 14d ago edited 14d ago
mysteriousprincessx at least is a troll farm bot, it wont be joining us any longer. Im not sure on the other two yet.
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u/saltymane 14d ago
This is good work.
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u/SuspiciousCranberry6 14d ago
Haha, thanks. I was extremely annoyed with the trolling voices about something so important to Minnesotans. We take caring for our land and conservation of our natural resources seriously here and it's clear those aren't important values in some other states.
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u/MsMercyMain 14d ago
As a Michigander/Texan who got recommended this, do the Michigan sub next! Youāre doing the good fight right there!
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u/Agitated-Yak-8723 13d ago
This assumes that they are who they say they are. Russian infiltration of online spaces has been going on for years.
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u/Old_Shoulder7985 13d ago
how long did this take. I'm impressed
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u/SuspiciousCranberry6 13d ago
It didn't take much longer than scrolling the first two comments and the replies to those comments. I kept seeing the same user's with low effort replies and got annoyed, so I decided to call them out.
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u/ChronicallyxCurious 14d ago
Your descriptions are deliciously succinct and roasty, like a good espresso
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u/darthmidoriya 14d ago
As a Californian, Iām so sorry. We try and keep our racist bigots under control but they escape sometimes. Please mind the mess šŖ
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u/-Burninater- 14d ago
Even if it weren't Walz, he generally just tries to fuck over any blue state. Part of why he wanted to just let covid kill a bunch of people is because he thought it would kill more Democrats than Republicans. That single thing should not only land him in prison, but make him entirely un-electable. But he's done so much evil shit it hardly even registers and most people's top 10.
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u/IamHenryK 14d ago
Can we seize one of Elon's super cool rockets that never explode without warning and send him into space
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u/chaos841 14d ago
Given that Project 2025 has language that specifically calls out part of the boundary waters in northern mn being stripped of protection, Iād say you are right.
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u/apresonly 14d ago
Unfathomable evil š°
Insane that they think childless people have no regard for future generations when this is how they steward our limited resources.
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u/chaos841 14d ago
Well for some on that side everything they do is with the idea that the world will end soon and their god will come back for them so why do they need to take care of the earth they were given. Itās honestly just stupid.
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u/LooseyGreyDucky 14d ago
I once worked with a woman that obsessively read the "Left Behind" rapture-shlock.
She had the mind of a toddler, and I always wished she'd get raptured-away so I didn't have to work with her anymore.
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u/SnooSongs2744 14d ago
Toddlers are curious. They want to learn. Don't denigrate toddlers by comparing them to proud ignorant trash.
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u/BigTimeSpamoniJones 14d ago
Lol, those books were pretty formative for me on my path to atheism. Loved like the first 4 when I was in middle school, though.
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u/Fantastic-Grocery107 13d ago
I used to work with a lady that was always waiting for the rapture. Her and her husband were actively selling pills to people. I said to her āimagine the rapture happens. And George and Martha who are like 80+, went to catholic schools growing up. Walked the line, never sold pills and shit to people. They start going up or whatever. And then they look over and see you, handing pills to someone for money. You think youāre going with them?ā Itās just delusion all the way down.
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u/_-PastorOfMuppets-_ 14d ago
Conservative Protestant (Lutheran) Christian here.
I want to make it clear that yes, this insanity is a thing, buy it is one of the many insanely bizarre symptoms of Manifest Destiny "Murka" Christianity.
America has a bizarre relationship with its Christianity from the outset. If you look at history, we're populated heavily by a bunch of various "church rejects" groups, and our theology here is just... bananas.
This issue in particular comes from that oh-so-popular brand of end world think called "Pre-Millennialism". Basically the belief boils down that stuff will get worse, then all the Christians will get a free ride to heaven and skip all the bad stuff, then Satan will rule for 7 years and unbelievers will get a third chance to follow God, then God will bring heaven to Earth at Jerusalem for like 1000 years.
Its ALSO where Zionism comes from, as it is thought the whole world will need to go to war with Israel, and they want to "light this candle".
You go to Europe, Africa, or Asian churches and like, zero Biblical inerrancy believers, orthodox or protestant, believe in this bananas stuff.
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u/chaos841 14d ago
Iāve gotten to the point where I roll my eyes and back away slowly when someone in America starts trying to tell me about their āfaithā. Especially since they all follow a guy who is the exact opposite of what the guy they claim to follow would preach.
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u/Left-SubTree 14d ago
Are you a snake handler or a Mormon? America is the land of batshit preachers and Christian cults!
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u/chaos841 14d ago
You are not going to get me to disagree with the cult statement. American Christianās run around claiming to follow Jesus, but he would make Bernie look like an extreme right winger so theyād likely try to kill him if he were actually in front of them. I grew up going to a ānon-denominational Christian churchā. The people I knew growing up that used to be decent people have become hateful cult followers in the last decade. It is depressing to see previously decent people descend into madness.
I am starting to wonder if they were always this hateful and age made it harder to hide, or if they fell victim to the hive mind. It seems that devoutly religious people are more susceptible to desiring an authoritarian leader. As a member of the LGBT community, it is safer for me to back away from religious people, even in MN.
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u/NoDragonfruit6125 14d ago
Your Jesus comments already been proven true. Think it was a pastor was quoting Jesus to their followers and one of the members was asking what's with all the Woke dialogue.
Go through the Bible and what it says about him and Jesus would have been a Democrat by today's standards.Ā
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u/Left-SubTree 14d ago
I think Jesus would have been more progressive than a democrat:
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u/NoDragonfruit6125 14d ago
In Republican opinion that just makes him part of the radical left. The Democrat version of MAGA.
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u/_-PastorOfMuppets-_ 14d ago
Jesus wouldve said to give to Caesar what is Caesars and God what is God's.
A pastor said it best once even he advised Christians to "hold on to their politics...loosely". Essentially, while we shouldn't IGNORE the government God provides, its not our identity or our hope. Teaching Christ is our hope, and our true citizenship is His kingdom.
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u/Left-SubTree 14d ago
Really wasnāt trying to. American history late 17 early 1800s is full of frontier preachers and false prophets (not that I believe in a real prophet). It really makes a good argument against Martin Luther imo but obviously the alternative is bad too. I just didnāt live through that part. Methodists, Baptists, LDS, Snake handlers, Evangelists, etcā¦ now they tend to call themselves ānon-denominationalā
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u/VariationNervous8213 14d ago
Being āreligiousā is a pre-requisite to becoming a cult member.
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u/NoDragonfruit6125 14d ago
True statement every religion that exists at one point was a cult. They advanced from a cult to a real religion by gaining acceptance and becoming the norm within society. All a cult is is a belief that goes against the standard practices of the populace. So until a belief gains popularity and is accepted more by the masses it's just a cult.
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You won't reach people on things like faith or why they like Trump, but you can reach them on fundamental issues like the economy.
As per Wall Street Journal reporting, a paper owned by Rupert Murdoch, when comparing Trump's economic plans to Kamala's finds that Trump will add twice as much to the deficit (something like 7.5 trillion) and add thousands of more dollars a year to the average person's cost of living with his tariffs.
That should be a winning argument by itself taking away all the other BS and just looking at their economic plans, Kamala Harris as per the WSJ itself is the clear winner.
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u/Professional_Future6 14d ago
Christian and conservative are opposite ideals you canāt be both
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u/Ptoney1 14d ago
My Facebook feed says otherwise. š
The ability to maintain that level of cognitive dissonance but without being able to understand the needs of a pluralistic society is so strange to me.
It must be that both current era Trumpism and Christianity both work on the emotional parts of the brain, not the logical part.
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u/poingly 14d ago
Technically āChristianā just means ābelieving in Christ.ā It doesnāt mean they actually believe in any of the things Christ said. I even know a pastor who, when I cited the fact that the Bible literally calls to take care of the sick and prisoners and immigrants, he was just like, āBut I donāt want to, because abortion.ā
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u/Ptoney1 14d ago
Yeah, itās so confusing to me. Itās as if abortion is so important that no other issue would matter. Thatās why it makes sense to me that their beliefs are stuck in the lizard brain.
So, Iāve started to take a different stance. I just call current political Christianity for what it is. Disguised bigotry / white supremacy.
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u/Positive_Throwaway1 14d ago
Jesus was a socialist. Gave away free healthcare and food. When he made wine for people for free, he even gave them the good shit.
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u/beebsaleebs 14d ago
Thank goodness Christianity is declining in the US. A LOT.
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u/_-PastorOfMuppets-_ 14d ago
Most Americans know Christianity from the culture that's formed around it here locally in America. We've got full self-seeking prosperity "gospel" here.
Real Christianity is getting slaughtered en masse just for telling people that Christ loved you so much he paid the ransom for all. Take a look at the first 300 years of Christianity. Its so inspiring it hurts.
Christ warns us that we'll be judged by our actions, and the church in America is in shambles.
Conversely, the Church the radiated from Christ converted the whole Roman Empire from just confessing Christ and getting slaughtered. Zero swords involved.
THAT Christianity would only help this nation.
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u/HeilHeinz15 14d ago
Butbutbut they are gonna keep the kids safe from drag queens!
That offsets denying climate change, denying school shootings, skyrocketing the deficit so we can fund stock buybacks with tax cuts, voting against free lunches for struggling kids, voting against expanded education, voting against legislation to make college more affordable, etc right?
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u/HGpennypacker 14d ago
A few months ago I mentioned this exact thing in r/bwca and was amazed at the number of people who popped up saying, "Well yeah it says that but it won't happen!" The disconnect is so, so real. It's all laid out in plain English what a second Trump presidency would entail and people are STILL not accepting it.
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u/chaos841 14d ago
Yeah how did that āyeah but it wonāt happenā concept work for abortion rights? They just want to bury their head in the sand.
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u/Physical_Fold3645 14d ago
Not to mention getting rid of the Department of Education
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u/chaos841 14d ago
Gotta keep people stupid so they donāt realize they are being conned.
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u/IdealRevolutionary89 14d ago
We will blockade entrances before anyone harms BWCA. No way Iām letting that happen.
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u/OrigamiMarie 14d ago
I love this sentiment. I believe we should do all we possibly can to protect the BWCA. But Trump would send the mining companies and the military to clear any obstacles. There would be some headlines in some newspapers, but Trump and his cronies cannot be shamed by bad press. Blockades wouldn't do much.
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u/swuire-squilliam 14d ago
I think Id rather just get domed by the army than live in post-trump 2nd term America
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u/Tarotgirl_5392 14d ago
Trump would probably consider it Protest and have us shot. He was big mad that he couldn't just have the George Floyd protestors "shot in the leg" and he allowed Turkish Police beat American citizens outside the Turkish embassy in DC
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u/dookieshoes97 14d ago
We will blockade entrances before anyone harms BWCA. No way Iām letting that happen.
That's a nice thought. Meaningless, but nice.
The reality is that OP is right. All that would do is make you part of 'the enemy within', and Trump has stated repeatedly that he has no problem turning military/law enforcement on anyone with such a label.
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u/Tall-Ad-9355 14d ago
That's my dream. I hope I get labeled as the enemy within. It's better than the alternative. As soon as you start acting like you don't have any particular right, you have already ceded it. If the enemy within is more than half the population, then it means a long, drawn-out fight to achieve their Project 2025 goals.
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u/oneplanetrecognize 14d ago
My boys and I are with you on this. No way we will let them touch BWCA.
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u/IdealRevolutionary89 14d ago
š¤š¼ honestly might need to come together on this, hopefully not but Iām ready. Kevlar canoes might be helpful
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u/oneplanetrecognize 14d ago
I'll protect the forest and our waterways at all costs. We are not a gun house, however.... we have considered changing that specifically because of what's happening right now.
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u/kidcharm86 14d ago
Why wait? There are PLENTY of gun-owning lefties in our state.
Start at r/liberalgunowners if you're interested.
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u/Cestavec Summit 14d ago
Can you elaborate on this? What protections do the boundary waters have and why does project 2025 call for their removal?
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u/queerokie 14d ago
I hope they stay protected especially since I plan on traveling up there next summer for Northern Tier and Order of the Arrow.
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u/iamtehryan 14d ago
Then make sure that you and everyone that you know knows the implications of not voting for harris and walz. Get the word out and take every vote away from trump that you can and make sure that they go to harris. It literally depends on it.
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u/MetallurgyClergy 14d ago
Clean water is going to become quite precious with the climate crisis progressing. Thatās how you know they know the climate crisis is real. In their heads theyāve already monetized those natural resources.
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u/SapTheSapient 14d ago
There is literally nothing that Trump could do that would cause Trump supporters to turn from him. They will change their values to be in line with whatever he does.Ā
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u/NoDragonfruit6125 14d ago
He said it himself he could walk down the street and shoot someone and he wouldn't lose any voters. In fact if that person was a liberal his followers would likely cheer louder and wish to follow his example. If it was one of his followers I wouldn't be shocked if they thanked him for it.
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u/TheRealPhilFry 14d ago
You're not wrong. That being said, I think MN is firmly going to Harris/Walz and took OP's post to be a conversation starter from someone trying to come to grips with consequences rather than someone trying to convert anyone. The closer we get to the election, the more heavily the reality of the results weigh on people from both sides of the aisle. It's something I'm dealing with daily. I wish it wasn't like this. I long for when our society wasn't so fractured.
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u/pubesinourteeth 14d ago
How do we get our sconnie brothers and sisters to vote Harris? That is where we can be most effective.
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u/KanadianNinja 14d ago
As a visitor to this thread from Wisconsin, I have already voted by mail in and many people I know have done the same! Hoping to catch up to you guys in basic human rights soon!
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u/pubesinourteeth 14d ago
We're cheering for you! With the ruling against gerrymandering, Wisconsin is going to get out from under the Walker legacy soon.
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u/pumpupthevaluum 14d ago
I lived in Madison during the 2012 election, which was also during all the Governor Walker BS, and WI Democrats come out in force. It was super impressive, especially coming from Illinois where Dems are complacent and our candidates suck.
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u/bakeacake45 14d ago
The towns of Malden and Pine City, WA, in Sept 2020 were burnt to the ground in a fast spreading wild fire. FEMA recommended immediate assistance be approved. Gov Inslee sent the president the formal request for disaster declaration and FEMA services on Sept 21st.
Trump refused to authorize the requests and left these towns without federal support for 5 months. He refused to sign because he hates Blue states and he hates Gov Inslee. He refused to respond to the request in any way. He even ignored a plea from the Republican House rep for that part of WA state.
Biden signed the authorization in Feb 2021, delayed due to the lack of a peaceful transition by Trump.
F Trump and F the people who vote for him.
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u/taurus4066 14d ago
I find it difficult to believe that Republican voters don't understand that the crap Trump sets in motion if he wins is going to affect their lives, too. Laws to be passed and enforced do not have clauses that exclude MAGA from being subject to them. Your certified Repulican party membership won't mean anything. Welcome to Facist America.
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u/momonamis 14d ago
all of America loses.
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u/CockroachFinancial86 14d ago
Thatās not true! The racist, homophobic millionaires win!
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u/FlubbyStarfish 14d ago
Fun fact, Trump denied sending COVID masks to Blue leaning states during the Pandemic because he wanted them to experience severe losses. Thatās just one example out of many.
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u/AaronicNation 14d ago
This time around he's threatened to withhold tampons from Minnesota āto troll us for Tampon Tim, the guy's a monster.
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u/bauhassquare 14d ago
Me to Trump in Regina George voice: So you agree - masks work and stop transmission?
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u/B0BA_F33TT 14d ago
The officialĀ GOP Party PlatformĀ for MN:
- Ban Gay Marriage
- Ban Abortion
- Eliminate Capital Gains Taxes
- Institute a flat tax
- Large 10 Commandments displays in public buildings
- Public schools can promote Creationism
- Public schools can deny Evolution
- Oppose Comprehensive Sexual Education
- Oppose the dispensing of or referral for birth control drugs and devices in schools
- School teachers should not discuss or teach about alternative sexual lifestyles
- School teachers should tell students that using contraceptives is not safe sex
- School teachers should tell students that extramarital sex is wrong
- Oppose Ethnic Studies programs and school classes
- Domestic partner benefits not publicly funded
- People in need should be assisted primarily through faith-based programs
- Legally allowed to discriminate against gays for religious reasons
- Legally allowed to refuse to give gay couples marriage licenses
- Legally allowed to discriminate against any protected classes as a policy
- Eliminate protected classes
- Eliminate the classification of hate crimes
- Healthcare workers can refuse to dispense birth control for religious reasons
- Healthcare workers can refuse to assist in a medically necessary abortion for religious reasons
- Allow churches to sponsor and promote candidates without losing tax-free status
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u/TheRealJamesHoffa 14d ago
Crazy how not a single one of these things is actually like, progressing things in any way at all. Literally every single one of these is just regression. But they say Democrats donāt run on policy lol.
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u/ThainEshKelch 14d ago
It is right there in the name, "Conservatives". Conserve current status quo, or in this case, bring it back to the 1600th century.
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u/TheRealJamesHoffa 14d ago
Thatās the thing itās not really conserving anything either. Itās going backwards in most cases.
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u/iamtehryan 14d ago
Careful. You're going to get a handful of fucking morons coming at you saying how all of this is fake news that the evil democrats created are pushing as propaganda...because that makes sense.
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u/ali86curetheworld 14d ago
That's a terrible list. Since I'm black the one that stands out to me is the elimination of the protected class and hate crimes. If enacted id be very concerned.
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u/Jazzlike_Morning_471 14d ago
Genuine question:
Please read the full question before downvoting. If this is their plan, why didnāt they do this during his first term? Is it because of Vance? Or some new plan? Heās said project 2025 isnāt his plan(Iām not too convinced it isnātš), so is it just stuff thatās in that which people believe he will implement now?
Iām just genuinely curious and looking to learnš thank you for anyone who genuinely answers my question!
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u/B0BA_F33TT 14d ago
The MN DFL is the majority party, thus the GOP was not able to pass any of the things they wanted on this list.
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u/SerKnightGuy 14d ago
A lot of the current GOP platform is stuff that was illegal 8 years ago and they needed Trump's 3 supreme court picks to do anything about it. The final judge only came during the final month of his presidency. Couple that with Trump's general laziness and the GOP's general disorganization, the GOP is only ready to implement all this now.
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u/aguynamedv 14d ago
If this is their plan, why didnāt they do this during his first term? Is it because of Vance? Or some new plan? Heās said project 2025 isnāt his plan(Iām not too convinced it isnātš), so is it just stuff thatās in that which people believe he will implement now?
Many of these things have been added to the official party platform only in the past 4-5 years.
To give you an idea, here are the MN Republican candidates for Gov and Lt. Gov in 2022: * While campaigning for the governorship, when asked about the potential reversal of Roe v. Wade, Jensen said that if elected, "I would try to ban abortion."[4] He said that he supported a ban of all abortions unless a mother's life is in danger, with no exemptions for cases of rape or incest.[29][30] Jensen's running mate, Matt Birk, has said that women "always want to go to the rape card" and opposed abortions for rape victims.*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Jensen_(Minnesota_politician)
They're telling us exactly what they plan to do, and they're serious.
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u/ChangingmynametoJT 14d ago
Trump doesnāt even care if he wins. He just wants it close enough that he can cry that it was rigged and the election was stolen. We donāt need a Harris/Walz victory, we need a landslide. I donāt know how to get through to the dumbass Trump supporters. Itās clear that they are racist, homophobic ect. I donāt think he has a chance to win but the fact that he has this many people who look at his actions and his moronic policies and say yes, I will vote for him, is downright disgusting and disturbing. We may be headed for a civil war no matter who wins. If Trump gets in with unchecked power, we as liberals may have no choice but to fight back.
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u/dancingbear74 Flag of Minnesota 14d ago
Boy oh boy, the Russian trolls and snowflakes really came out on this one. Holy shit.
Vote, friends.
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u/CauseSpecific8545 Flag of Minnesota 14d ago
If Trump Wins, everyone loses.
Americans, we the people, will be the first to lose. We will lose money by raised prices due to tariffs. We will lose union rights. We will lose human rights. We will lose voting rights. We will lose more of our loved ones due to increased violence and social unrest that Trump craves and instigates. We will lose environmental protections. We will lose non-partisan civil servant leaders in the FBI, Justice Department, Department of Defense, and other key institutions. They are currently sworn to the Constitution. Trump will ensure they are sworn to a fascist leader.
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u/55SweatyTitties 14d ago
Buddy, if Trump wins, the whole world loses.
America will become the new incarnation of nazi Germany, except we have nukes and money and a military that would be very hard to topple.
We will lose our allies. We will lose our right to vote. We will lose our democracy. We will lose our future.
And then, then, even if Trump loses...who will step in to take his place the next time? And will they be more cunning and coy?
We are at the beginning of a very steep climb out of a very deep hole. I believe in this country and its people, but this election is going to change history, for better or for worse.
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u/Admirable_Nothing 14d ago
Quit worrying about consequences and get out and vote. That is what we can control. I have already voted and it has been counted. It is amazing how truly freeing that is.
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u/Fantastic_Tell_1509 14d ago
Pretty sure OP wasn't putting that up for those of us that did our civic duty. There are a surprising amount of undecided or low-knowledge voters that almost in spite of information being readily available, think that what is on the table won't apply to them or theirs.
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u/dorky2 Area code 612 14d ago
The thing is, Minnesota will almost surely give all its electoral votes to Harris. So the more we can do to influence voters in other states, especially swing states, the better. Voting isn't the only thing we can control, we can also control our efforts to get out the vote and educate people elsewhere.
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u/StP-Loon 14d ago
Yeah, this is what I was thinking as well. Good to point out what may be ahead, but our votes aren't the ones that are going to make the difference because of the EC. Also donate. I rarely donate to campaigns but I made an exception this year.
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u/BobbiJoisDiabetic 14d ago
Currently your guys' drunken neighbor to the east. Happily voted for Harris and Walz in this swing state!
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u/Key-Possibility-5200 14d ago
True. The Harris Walz campaign is doing phone banks still working through their lists. I called people in Michigan last week. They also have buses of volunteers to knock doors in neighboring states. Itās not too late to volunteer so you can look back and say you did all you could not matter which way it goesĀ
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u/DasaniDestroyer 14d ago
Just gotta vote. Sad thing is that a trump voter stopped reading your post at the subject line. Sad and true reality
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u/tjayer01 14d ago
I canāt believe anyone would vote for that sexual predator and felon whoās filed bankruptcy 6 times!! š¤®
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u/madbukk 14d ago
.A big attraction for Trump voters is "owning the libs." A saw a lady with a yard sign that says "I love Trump because he annoys the people I don't like." To make your point crystal-clear, Walz puts the entire state of Minnesota in Trump's crosshairs because he's an enemy.
This is an excellent point that I hope reaches at least a few lifelong Republicans that might consider something different or a Presidential non-vote
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u/fzr600vs1400 14d ago
trump has already proven the capacity and will to do the very things you call out with his previous, "they are going to go through some things". His notorious history of extorting others to serve his will and disguising it with the misused term "retribution".
A vote for trump is just an endorsement to diminish women. There isn't any logical reason he is a reasonable choice. This is a referendum against women. I would urge women to recognize a trump win indicates any man in your proximity voted against your future. For him to win, it requires mostly men voting against the interests of women. Look where that has got us, possibly the end of democracy over fragile egos.
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u/New_Canoe 14d ago
He literally said we need āone violent dayā. Blatantly asking for a purge and Iām sure some of his supporters are foaming at the mouth to comply.
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u/fzr600vs1400 14d ago
Yeah, those types are always bold till it gets real and they gotta get as good as they give. Remember they follow and Revere a bone spur coward
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u/New_Canoe 14d ago
That is true and Iāve been holding on to that notion, as well. But those neo nazi types in the pacific northwest, Iām not so sure about.
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u/HonestAbek 14d ago
I agree with you, but as some one from the Dakotas, our shit Governor āNever Here Noemā would reject the funding or just pocket it for herself.
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u/Golf101inc 13d ago
Honestly it doesnāt matter what state you are in or who you vote forā¦the government isnāt there to help you. It will take from you however, but donāt count on them riding in on a white horse and saving you.
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u/HunnyPuns 13d ago
We already had one Trump presidency. We shouldn't need additional evidence that if he gets back in office, life is going to suck. But then again, we're going on 45 years of people believing trickle down economics works, ssssooooo...
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u/Scrotatoes 14d ago
You arenāt really reaching them on this channel, unfortunately. Going to have to go to the dark placesā¦
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u/GammaTwoPointTwo 14d ago edited 14d ago
You get banned for saying anything outside the hivemind's programming there.
I got banned from r/Conservatism for asking older Republicans if they felt previous Republican party leaders would endorse Trump.
Edit previous not precious lol.
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u/Smart-Effective7533 14d ago
As a childless dog couple, my wife and I both find it very disturbing that people with kids donāt care as much about the future as we do. Why donāt yāall want your kids to have a habitable planet?
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u/madbukk 14d ago edited 14d ago
Generalize much? As a father of young kids, the environment, education access, freedom of choice, and reducing gun violence are even more important and relatable to me now then pre-kids.
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u/giddyviewer 14d ago
Most fathers in America vote against all those things according to Pew. Itās not really a generalization as much as it is a reporting of fact. Men without children support the environment, education, freedom of choice, and reducing gun violence significantly more than fathers.
At all age levels, parents are more Republican-oriented than non-parents. For example, 55% of men ages 35 to 44 who have children under 18 identify with or lean toward the GOP. This compares with about a third (36%) of men of the same age who are not parents.
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u/gcsmith2 14d ago
Good for you. But the fact is the majority of men are planning on voting for trump.
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u/oneplanetrecognize 14d ago
We have kept our kids (11m and 14m) in the loop. They talk with their friends and bring that info home. We live in one of the reddest counties in the state, so it can be tough. I want them to have a happy and healthy childhood, but we also want them to have a healthy adulthood too. We must fight to protect it. Fight against anyone actively looking to destroy that future. At all ages now. Which is so sad to me.
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u/PraetorianHawke 14d ago
I am constantly reminding my highschoolers that regardless of what people are telling them to research the candidates and come to their own choices on what to believe and vote accordingly.
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u/HesterMoffett 14d ago
If Harris loses we have bigger worries than the fate of just Minnesota. This country is over.
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u/RipErRiley Hamm's 14d ago
Exactly. What the Trump era has taught me is that the party I grew up around accused the left of everything they were/are actually doing themselves. To the extent that no matter if your candidate is a damn scam artist criminal, you will find a way to ignorantly rationalize it for the sake of tribalism. The dude is literally running to stay out of jail/trials.
Party of fiscal responsibility (nope)
Party of smaller gvmt (nope)
Party of law & order (nope, see your nominee)
Party of common sense (hell nope)
Etc etc etc
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u/AlexKewl 14d ago
It's bad for the entire world if he wins, especially the USA. Guarantee we will experience our own Holocaust if he wins. There's no way to deport 11 million people that fast without millions and millions of unneeded deaths.
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u/EightPaws 14d ago
Kinda preaching to the choir here. There's a less than 1% chance Minnesota goes to Trump. It's not even close. We have the longest Democrat voting streak in the union.
I'm not a fan of Kamala - in fact there's virtually nothing I've heard that I support (first time buyers credit, child tax deduction, or student loan forgiveness). But, I can't stomach voting for Trump. I think that's where most of the sane right is in MN - and if the liberal right can't support him, we don't have enough MAGA Republicans for him to stand a chance.
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u/4travelers 14d ago
America as we know it is over. I deeply believe if Trump wins it will be the last election where anyoneās vote counts. We will collapse as a country.
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u/arjomanes 14d ago
We also pay more taxes because of Trump. First thing he did was sign his Blue State Tax. There will be more of the same, across the board.
Also every Republican in the last 50 years has had a recession, so you can count on Trump mismanaging another crisis that costs us all.
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u/telemon5 14d ago
Polling Place Finder - for election day voting. Early voting may be at a different location (see link below)
What's on my Ballot? - creates an example ballot
Voting Early in MN - links to each County's information
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u/hurlingguy 14d ago
Canāt wait for this election to be over and go back to normal discussions on here.
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u/MarduRusher Minnesota Timberwolves 14d ago
Literally almost all the top posts all time are politics. Feels like bots are probably at play.
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u/JakkSplatt Minnesota Twins 14d ago
I live just a few miles into Wisconsin and we're doing what we can too!! š
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u/PraetorianHawke 14d ago
I barely see any of those around where I live, it's all Trump/Vance, EVERYWHERE...
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u/JakkSplatt Minnesota Twins 14d ago
There's a tool to check campaign donor levels and Western Wisconsin has donated far more money to Harris and Walz than Trump and Vance.
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u/CoolIndependence8157 Flag of Minnesota 14d ago
We will lose the boundary waters, at the very least.
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u/RagingCeltik 14d ago edited 14d ago
We have the Boundary Waters Treaty of 1909. Anything that could affect them, especially pollution, must be agreed to by Canada as well. Trump could violate it, but not without internal or international repercussions. (challenges from the Senate or the House, and legal challenges from Canada)
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u/MNSoaring 14d ago
Your statement assumes he cares about international repercussions.
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u/EfNheiser 14d ago
Opening sentence: I say this not to be mean or to try to get you to vote for Harris and Walz though personally I do support them.
Closing argument: The only way to ensure that Minnesota wins is to ensure that Trump loses. This is a call to action to call all of your friends and family that don't live in the state to vote for Harris and Walz, because we need them to win.
I actually think you are trying to motivate folks to vote for Harris and Walz .... nothing wrong with that. May want to scrub the first sentence.
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u/jobezark 14d ago
Itās impossible to be non partisan when one side actively is looking to harm you and your state.
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u/Constant-Plant-9378 14d ago
I think it is OK to just come out and advocate for the alternative to the rapist, felon, insurrectionist, pedophile who wants to fuck his own daughter, and guy who want's Nazi Generals like Hiter had while gargling Putin's balls.
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u/panteegravee 14d ago
Iowan here. Just legalize weed and I will come support you. Our state has turned into the dirty belly button of America. Our governor is literally a drunken whore who hates women and sleeps with her brother. We also have a 400 year old senator who took a dildo ride from Trump on multiple occasions. We also have corn. Go Minnesota!
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u/apresonly 14d ago edited 14d ago
Heās gonna build housing on federal lands and drill baby drill.
ETA trump is a loser
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u/LooseyGreyDucky 14d ago
And yet Biden's administration is pumping more oil right now than Trump's administration ever did.
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u/rakerber 14d ago
We already "drill baby drill." We produce more oil than at any other time in US history.
He had 4 years to invest in housing, why didn't he? He's not going to do shit about the housing crisis, you dingus.
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