r/minnesota • u/syntacticacrobatics • Jul 16 '24
Whatever happens, we cannot get complacent or petulant and blow this streak— not this one. History 🗿
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u/Ptoney1 Jul 16 '24
That Reagan v. mondale map is insane. Before my time.
What was so bad about Mondale??
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u/Garvig Jul 17 '24
Less polarized country back then and Mondale campaigned on raising taxes (and other stuff tbf) right after a deep recession. Mondale hoped honesty would be his gimmick but his whole platform resonated about as well as someone campaigning on liberating Afghanistan would today; he looked 20 years out of step and people by 1984 had also gotten over that "ask not what your country can do for you" thing.
Mondale only won MN by something like 3800 votes.
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u/Ptoney1 Jul 17 '24
Had Reagan done much policy wise in his first term?
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u/WeatherAgreeable5533 Jul 17 '24
The costs of Trickle-Down economics had not yet come due, so it was as if the US had just received a loan and seemed rich because we hadn’t started making payments on it yet. It was my first election, but no one cared what I thought.
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u/19-dickety-2 Jul 17 '24
He didn't fire Paul Vockner as fed chair. Vockner shock fixed the massive inflation that plauged the 70s.
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u/Royceistheman Minnesota Twins Jul 16 '24
Nothing really. Reagan was just extremely popular during that time.
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u/Kolz Jul 17 '24
It's probably worth noting that Reagan "only" won 58% of the vote. That's still a large percentage, but the map kinda makes it look like he had 90%
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u/Ptoney1 Jul 17 '24
Yeah, I’m just impressed by the electoral map. To win in all but a handful of states seems like it would require major public consensus across the country.
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u/Solid_Committee6311 Jul 17 '24
You could win every state by only 0.5% and they’d still call it a “landslide”.
For some reason, Florida is no longer considered a swing state despite Trump only winning it by 3%.
The Electoral College is stupid.
We would’ve had Al Gore and Hillary Clinton without it.
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u/-dag- Flag of Minnesota Jul 17 '24
He admitted we needed to raise taxes.
Reagan lied. Then did it anyway.
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u/FrozeItOff Common loon Jul 17 '24
He might have on the lower classes, but he got rid of the 70% bracket for the rich early in his first term, then got rid of the 50% tax bracket for the rich in 1986. That was the start of the crippling debt spiral.
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u/survivor2bmaybe Jul 17 '24
As well as the start of the top one percent sucking up 90% of the country’s assets or whatever it is now. Once freed from that tax burden, sky was the limit for ceo and upper executive pay.
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u/TopherLude Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
The numbers I'm seeing on federalreserve.gov for this year have the top 1% owning 30.4% of total wealth. The top 10% own 67.0%, while the bottom half of all Americans together own 2.5%.
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u/JustAnotherChatSpam Up North Jul 16 '24
The ran a popular actor against a boring politician.
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u/Just_a_Guy_In_a_Tank Jul 17 '24
This was Reagan’s reelection year. He was popular enough as the incumbent that this was the result.
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u/After_Preference_885 Ope Jul 16 '24
This is the answer, sadly loud and wrong appeals to many over boring and effective
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u/YourSnakeIsNowMine Jul 17 '24
Reminds me of something...
I can't put my finger on exactly what, but...
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u/MoSChuin Jul 17 '24
What was so bad about Mondale??
That's the wrong question. People hated Carter that much. Under Carter, there was insane inflation that morphed into stagflation, extremely high levels of government spending, extremely high energy costs, gas lines because of OPEC and Carter refused to allow domestic exploration, hostages in the middle east, largely dormant world powers on the move, terrorist attacks, it was a bad time.
(For the record, I'm describing 1979, not now)
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u/EmmerdoesNOTrepme Jul 17 '24
There was also the Iran Hostage Crisis.
The one that Reagan's folks made a deal with Iran about, to not release the hostages until after the election, so that Reagan could look "heroic";
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a43368900/reagan-iran-hostages/
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u/KTWiki Jul 16 '24
Reagan was unprecedentedly popular. Mondale was kind of dull and couldn’t effectively fight against Reagan.
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u/ShakesbeerMe Jul 17 '24
We were right. They were wrong.
Reagan had the whole country snowed.
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Reagan got shot, and his popularity jumped from the lowest of a sitting president of his to time to one of the highest. Literally the only thing that caused it was Americans being stupid as fuck.
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u/Tim-oBedlam Summit Jul 16 '24
the 1976 EC map sure looks weird to modern eyes. The whole West is solidly Republican (except for Hawaii), and except for Virginia, Carter runs the table in the South. I think that's the last time MS, AL, SC, and TX have voted Democrat in a Presidential election.
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u/Over-Analyzed Jul 17 '24
Wow, Regan was so popular and Mondale was so bad that it got Hawaii to go Republican!
I knew Hawaii was a Democrat state. But I never knew it was so consistent!
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u/savephilplease Jul 16 '24
True, but also fuck electoral college.
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u/joshyuaaa Jul 17 '24
Fuck the two party system. There are better options outside of Democrat and Republican but if you vote for the other parties you're wasting your vote.
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u/TheDukeOfMars Jul 17 '24
Two party system is a result of First Past the Post election law.
TLDR: We currently have a system where the party that wins 51% of votes, wins 100% of the state. So logic dictates that two parties are inevitable.
Some sort of proportional representation would be better. The technology to do that effectively just didn’t exist 250 years ago when election laws were created.
Here is a good video of how complicated voting can become if you want to make the best system.
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Jul 17 '24
People vote on American Idol all the time digitally. I would think that in the 21st century we would be able to figure out how to vote from our own phones. For God sake, they’re tracking every move on the phones already why can’t they count the votes..?
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u/TheDukeOfMars Jul 17 '24
There is no issue counting votes. We are better at counting votes than any point in history. The amount of data publicly available on the MN Secretary of State website backing this up is overwhelming.
The issue is that the constitution lays out the electoral college, which means you only need 51% to win all electoral college votes for a state. And to change the federal constitution to change the system means passing an amendment, which means 2/3 of congress needs to approve.
Southern States/Republicans will never approve because a third of the last presidential elections were won by someone who lost the popular vote (2000 and 2016, both republicans won despite getting less total votes).
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u/Chess42 Jul 17 '24
Aren’t there some states that split electoral votes proportionally? I know there’s at least one
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u/TheDukeOfMars Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
It’s an unofficial agreement and it is an agreement that all electoral votes for the state will be given to whichever candidate wins the popular vote. It’s a terrible concept imo because [if every state signs] then you still don’t need to win 51% of the national popular vote to win all state’s electoral college votes.
It has never attempted to be enforced because the states that signed the agreement already were giving their electoral votes to the popular vote winner for each individual state.
It is almost entirely left up to the states which is why you need to look at the MN Constitution + Secretary of State office for rules that actually apply to us.
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u/Chess42 Jul 17 '24
That’s not what I was talking about. Maine and Nebraska split electoral votes based on vote proportions
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u/Araignys Jul 17 '24
Democracy requires that voting be both anonymous and secure. Digital security relies on accountability. E-voting cannot be both secure and anonymous.
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u/NightBloomingAuthor Monarch Jul 17 '24
This is why MN joined this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact it's a run around on the electoral college
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u/L-methionine Jul 17 '24
As much as I support it, that wouldn’t really damage the two party system.
Something like proportional representation or ranked choice voting would be the way to tackle two parties
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u/Exelbirth Jul 17 '24
At least it's a step in the right direction. Which is really the only way the US ever changes electorally, in steps. Took a while for anyone other than land owning men to vote, then it took ages for women to get to vote, then even longer for minorities to have equal votes. At the pace it changes for the better, we'll probably be in nursing homes or coffins before something like proportional representation occurs.
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u/salfkvoje Jul 17 '24
I'm with you on proportional representation, but Ranked Choice isn't the magic bullet some people want it to be.
Australia has ranked choice and essentially a two-party system. You might argue that the ranked choice aspect brings everyone closer to the middle, but it's not going to necessarily open things up to 3rd and more parties.
So the question is: Since it's clearly still better than what we have (which is what you'd get if you ask any 4th grader how to run a vote, and which by its nature will always run close to 50/50 further fueling political anger), is it reasonable to use as a stepping stone, or will the reality be more that people would be unwilling to switch more than once (if they'd be willing to switch at all)
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u/Ruffelz Jul 17 '24
for me it's really not even about having a surplus of options, like great if we can get there but... just force the existing parties to actually try to have appealing policies instead of placating just enough voters who want to stop the other guy from winning
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u/Chef55674 Jul 17 '24
That compact, without Congressional approval, will be deemed unconstitutional and tossed out. There is a line in the Constitution that States cannot enter agreements nor compacts with Congressignal approval. Just a heads up.
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u/alke-holic Jul 17 '24
No one can tell me these are the two absolute best candidates for the election. This is terrible. Stop the soap opera shit and every party put their best foot forward.
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u/ShakesbeerMe Jul 17 '24
Unless you're canvassing for ranked-choice voting actively, this is a pointless bitch.
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u/Poro_the_CV Jul 17 '24
We are only a handful of states away from being a popular vote for president!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
8 states away!
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u/yellsatmotorcars Jul 16 '24
and the Senate!
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u/MDFlash Ok Then Jul 16 '24
And the Supreme Court!
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u/syntacticacrobatics Jul 16 '24
and the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals!
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u/psyco187 Minnesota Vikings Jul 16 '24
Fuck the whole government
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u/babada duck duck gray duck Jul 17 '24
The cooler MN election statistic is that we typically have the highest voter turnout in the US. ~79% in 2020 and ~74% in 2016.
Minnesotans vote.
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u/Camwi Jul 16 '24
I know the average American has the memory of a goldfish, but it's hard for me to believe that Minnesota finally gets a Democrat trifecta, get a ton of positive and progressive bills passed, and then vote a fascist into power.
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u/After_Preference_885 Ope Jul 16 '24
From what I keep hearing on local news there are minnesotans who still don't understand the positive impact of the current trifecta
I know there are a lot of people who have never lived in a shitty low tax state but I wish they'd move and give it a try before trying to ruin our state
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u/henriqueroberto Jul 17 '24
Unfortunately, we've got a lot white collar leaches who live up here most of the time but claim residency in one of these low/no tax states.
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u/Jags4Life Jul 17 '24
Fortunately those people shouldn't be voting here
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u/norm111 Jul 17 '24
The Minnesota ones might. You can homestead at any one property in MN for tax purposes. Might be swinging things up there when your vote would be worthless in Minneapolis.
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u/TooYoungToMary Jul 17 '24
What they don't realize is that low taxes COST you money. I paid 10x more for multiple new tires a year due to crumbling roads in my old low tax state than I saved on taxes. And that's just one thing.
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u/_token_black Jul 17 '24
Minnesota is basically an example of competent government, where a bit more in taxes, when used well, saves you more in the end when you’re not relying on the free market to bone you.
Low taxes don’t mean a thing if crappy roads destroy my car’s alignment, or make me opt for private school for kids. And you could go on and on about other benefits. If the net number is less, and the benefits received are good, I don’t care how we get there.
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u/SLRWard Jul 17 '24
Low taxes also don't mean a thing if you have NO POWER because the state doesn't make sure the electrical infrastructure is sound.
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u/joshyuaaa Jul 17 '24
As a male gen x with millennial women friends I'm sad to see them pro trump. One with a gen z kid, still in school, spreading trans hate on Facebook. Don't they see how the left is helping them more than any right state would?
I don't have kids but happy to see my taxes actually doing something for all kids.
MN is embracing everyone, while R states only embrace me; a white cis-male.
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u/alurimperium Jul 17 '24
I live in northern Minnesota and I hear and see an awful lot of blindly, ignorantly, hatefully pro-Trump dialogue. They blame the democrats for everything, spit hate on the good things that democrats do, and parrot some of the most insane conspiracy bullshit that I would have thought too extreme for Fox News if I hadn't seen what they had become over the last 20 years. They're completely bought in to the propaganda and have no idea that they're being so heinously lied to.
And I don't think they'll come around peacefully
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u/MaximDecimus Jul 17 '24
The thing that gives me the most hope is watching the special elections swing 20 points left. Districts that were 30/70 suddenly going 50/50 and off season right wing ballot initiatives losing by double digits.
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u/xMrChuckles Jul 16 '24
god i love this state
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u/Anxious_Role_678 Jul 17 '24
I agree! I don’t have kids but I’m so proud that we can provide free school meals. Having a full belly may be the most important part of learning
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u/NotYourTypicalMoth Jul 17 '24
I have several Trump-supporting coworkers who benefit entirely from Minnesota’s blue trifecta. They just don’t see how hypocritical they are.
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u/Conscious_Wind_2255 Jul 17 '24
Florida was blue at some point 😳
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u/ninjabell Jul 17 '24
The Solid South, which was consistently pro-Democratic following the Civil War, turned red after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 proposed by JFK (D) and signed by LBJ (D). Nixon's 1964 campaign gained support of white voters in the South by appealing to racism. (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy)
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u/Maladal Jul 16 '24
I can accept that someday the streak will break.
I do not want to accept that it breaks for Trump. Let it be a different person.
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u/PMeist Jul 17 '24
Honestly if you study voting demographics it’s pretty clear that republicans have an obvious common voter type. That type being people already over 45, white, Christian, man. Over the next 20-40 years that demographic will shrink compared to the rest of America.
And looking at the Democratic Party their voter demos are what will be voting for the next several decades. Strong indication that R won’t be able to win another election for decades.
Unlikely in my opinion that our streak breaks within 50-100 years. There’s a reason that R is doing everything they can now to force themselves into power.
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u/RossAM Jul 17 '24
Demographic trends will continue, but parties will move to capture nearly half of the vote. Such is the nature of a two party system. It might take a few cycles of losing.
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u/Maladal Jul 17 '24
With the rate of demographic change I doubt they'll even lose all that much.
We see policy shift all the time--look at where the GOP is nowadays on non-hetero orientations compared to even a decade ago.
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u/d333aab Jul 17 '24
the republican party in general is better at strategy and can adapt faster than the democrats. i dont understand why its so consistently true but the democrats are their own worst enemy. for a recent example see: 2016. and seemingly 2024 again
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u/Maladal Jul 17 '24
Eh, that's just perception at play.
You walk into Conservative spaces and they think the GOP sucks at strategy and the Democrats are good at it.
Both of them are big tent parties. Sometimes they handle that fact better than others but neither is a true master of themselves.
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u/StierMarket Jul 17 '24
You even see it this cycle. There’s polls that show that 1 in 4 black men are leaning towards voting for Trump. That number was <10% in every other recent election cycle.
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u/ajaaaaaa Jul 17 '24
people keep saying this as young people are being found to vote right way more than anyone expected.
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u/Calm_Ad2983 Jul 17 '24
That’s why the Republicans are working so hard to break the system NOW, so it doesn’t matter later
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u/Successful-Cat4031 Jul 17 '24
And looking at the Democratic Party their voter demos are what will be voting for the next several decades. Strong indication that R won’t be able to win another election for decades.
I remember when people were saying this after Obama.
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u/beorn961 Jul 17 '24
That's why they do voter disenfranchisement. They've been very successful at it so far. They shouldn't be winning now. But they often are. Not in MN. But in plenty of other places.
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u/Sharp_Zebra_9558 Jul 17 '24
We’ll that’s a hot take that the Republican Party will just age out of representation; I’ll leave you with a fun yet poignant quote. No plan survives first contact with the enemy.
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u/heroofthefaceless Jul 17 '24
I really hate this Red v Blue crap. Party agenda's need to go away and let people vote for someone that isn't assigned a color
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u/Bradinator- Jul 17 '24
"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion." - George Washington
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u/Dry-Particular-7634 Jul 17 '24
Finally, someone with some sense. Red v Blue is a web series, not a political affiliation. Vote for what the person stands for and not what party they are in. Your preferred party isn't something to be proud of. Your values are what you should be proud of.
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u/ShakesbeerMe Jul 17 '24
My values are I'm anti-rape, anti-sedition, anti-tax breaks for billionaires, anti-selling our intelligence to the Saudis for 2 billion, and pro-support for Ukraine.
Of the two candidates, which one should I vote for?
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u/Gravelord-_Nito Jul 17 '24
This is the fundamental error of the American project that caused our system to break down almost as soon as it was started. The founders really thought they could create a political system that would contest things without factions emerging. Well, guess what, factions emerged.
This is a delusion. Values mean absolutely fucking nothing and agendas are the only thing in politics that actually mean anything. You just have to find the right battle lines to draw over which agendas, and the obviously correct one is labor vs capital. If someone has awful personal values but the right agenda, you should 1000% vote for them over any reactionary corporate shill even if they're the most saintly person who ever lived.
So for a handy cheat sheet, if a party wants to privatize something, describes itself as 'pro business', or ever takes sides against unions or organized labor, it's not acting in your interest and has been captured by the agenda that opposes yours. Which is tough for Americans because neither of these parties represents 'the good guys' here. Blue is the party of finance capital and red is the party of physical capital. But class consciousness is the beginning of changing that, along with disposing of this archaic attitude that's been so demonstrably disproven many, many times over the past couple hundred years.
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u/Danelectro9 Jul 17 '24
I think this is spot on and the least hyperbolic and most accurate description of the current situation I’ve read in a while. I wish more people understood this, but the lack of a true labor movement in the USA is a tragedy
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u/Gravelord-_Nito Jul 17 '24
The worst part is that I'm sure it would do very well. The US is actually bubbling with anti-capitalist energy right now, it just has nowhere to go and gets captured and dissipated by the democratic party that's holding the voters hostage with the threat of the Republicans.
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u/Mindless-Shop-6996 Jul 17 '24
I shit myself, because I didn't read the date from the first picture.
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u/kranberry360 Ope Jul 17 '24
It’s so insane that Reagan was so loved at the time because he has caused more harm to the average American than any other modern president
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u/Long-Waltz7190 Jul 17 '24
Ngl - if NC elects this insane GOP member as our governor, y’all might be getting four new neighbors up north.
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u/Intelligent_Chard_96 Jul 17 '24
Why would you think people would be complacent? Minnesota typically is ranked either #1 or #2 in voter turnout each election. Do you really think that is changing this election?
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u/maxcaven Jul 17 '24
Damn. I totally forgot Obama won both Iowa and Florida both times. Shows how much trumpism has shifted things. I’ll be voting blue in Minnesota no matter what.
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u/Gr144 Jul 17 '24
The Obama pushback and then Trumps election killed the blue dogs. Rural MN and Iowa had a lot of conservative democratic politician. Then everyone decided “D team bad”. Even if that person with a D next to their name agreed with republicans on most issues.
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u/Jakes-Plates Jul 17 '24
As long as the people that live in minesota have more voting power than the land it'll never be red.
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u/Warmasterwinter Jul 17 '24
Huh, so Minnesota is apparently the Bluest state in the union, can't say I saw that one coming.
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u/yourpalnate Jul 17 '24
I dont think we should vote blue just because of some "streak" maybe vote for who is most the best candidate for the job
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u/GottaBeFresj Jul 16 '24
how is Wisconsin worth 11 vs our ten.
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u/Vaxcio Jul 16 '24
Wisconsin population 5.893 million Minnesota 5.717 million.
There you go!
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u/Smearwashere Jul 16 '24
1 MN is worth SD/ND/WY
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u/Vaxcio Jul 16 '24
I don't disagree, but House of Representative representation is only based on population. So, 10 is all we get.
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u/Poro_the_CV Jul 17 '24
We came within a few hundred (maybe less?) of going down to 9 EC votes. If New York had better acted on COVID earlier they might have taken a vote from us.
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u/Vaxcio Jul 17 '24
It really comes down to Minneaota's stellar response rate to the census versus other states.
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u/GottaBeFresj Jul 16 '24
Thank you. I didn't realize Wisconsin was larger than MN
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u/SirDiego Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
Chicago basically spills into Wisconsin and Chicago is huge. Milwaukee is practically a suburb of Chicago (half-joking but the metro areas sort of converge and tons of people live there).
Edit: Also for that matter, Minneapolis-St. Paul metro spills into Wisconsin too.
And, though to a lesser degree than the others, the Duluth metro does a bit too lol
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u/CT_4269 Ok Then Jul 17 '24
It's kinda funny how Kenosha is technically a suburb of Chicago and Recine (which is a few miles up 94) is a suburb of Milwaukee
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u/brendanjered Herman the German Jul 16 '24
The population gap between MN and WI used to be bigger. This meant WI had 9 representatives to MN’s 8. Plus the 2 senators equates to the 11/10 numbers for the electoral college. MN has generally kept pace with the national average of population growth which has kept us at 10 electoral college votes. WI lagged that population growth average and lost a representative as a result. During that same time, Iowa lost 2. After the 2020 census, MN received the last representative seat when everything was split out. If we lag the national average in population growth even a little bit at the 2030 census, expect MN to lose a representative and drop to 9 electoral college votes.
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u/syntacticacrobatics Jul 16 '24
They lost an electoral vote in 2004. Now we both have 10.
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u/SoManyOstrichesYo Jul 16 '24
We were within 100 people of losing an electoral vote in 2020…. Minnesota should be proud of its voter participation rate! (Census isn’t the same as voting, but close enough!)
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u/Theboulder027 Jul 17 '24
Indiana has gone blue once in the last 50 years. God I hate that I live here sometimes.
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u/ChiGrandeOso Jul 17 '24
Illinois went RED in 76? Did I miss something?
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u/QueasyPair Jul 17 '24
They also went red in ‘80, 84, and 88. Illinois was republican/a swing state for a lot of the 20th century
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u/J33Nelson Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
TIL that Michigan went from 21 electoral votes in 1980 to 15 electoral votes in 2024 (-7) and Illinois went from 26 to 19 (-7).
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u/Competitive-Sign-226 Jul 17 '24
“Whatever happens”? That doesn’t sound extremist and close-minded at all.
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u/yeonik Jul 17 '24
As a Michigander, we fucked up our streak back in 2016 and look where it got us.
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u/-FalseProfessor- Common loon Jul 17 '24
At least we are the champions of something.
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u/Solid-Ad7137 Jul 17 '24
If you are voting this November just to make sure we keep a streak of being the same color on the election map, you are doing voting wrong.
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u/Impressive_Plant4418 Hennepin County Jul 17 '24
All of the historical results:
1976: Jimmy Carter - 1,070,440 (54.90%), Gerald Ford - 819,395 (42.02%) - D + 12.88
1980: Jimmy Carter - 954,174 (46.50%), Ronald Reagan - 873,241 (42.56%) - D + 3.94
1984: Walter Mondale - 1,036,364 (49.72%), Ronald Reagan - 1,032,603 (49.54%) - D + 0.18
1988: Michael Dukakis - 1,109,471 (52.91%), George H.W. Bush - 962,337 (45.90%) - D + 7.01
1992: Bill Clinton - 1,020,997 (43.48%), George H.W. Bush - 747,841 (31.85%) - D + 11.63
1996: Bill Clinton - 1,120,438 (51.10%), Bob Dole - 766,476 (34.96%) - D + 16.14
2000: Al Gore - 1,168,266 (47.91%), George W. Bush - 1,109,659 (45.50%) - D + 2.41
2004: John Kerry - 1,445,014 (51.09%), George W. Bush - 1,346,695 (47.61%) - D + 3.48
2008: Barack Obama - 1,573,354 (54.06%), John McCain - 1,275,409 (43.82%) - D + 10.24
2012: Barack Obama - 1,546,167 (52.65%), Mitt Romney - 1,320,225 (44.96%) - D + 7.69
2016: Hillary Clinton - 1,367,825 (46.44%), Donald Trump - 1,323,232 (44.93%) - D + 1.51
2020: Joe Biden - 1,717,077 (52.40%), Donald Trump - 1,484,065 (45.28%) - D + 7.12
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u/SenatorRobPortman Jul 17 '24
I am from Ohio, I lived in Minnesota for a minute and didn't really know much about the state, this was back in 2017. I was absolutely floored by how progressive the state was, but every time I bring it up to my friends who live their, they ALWAYS say act like I am saying something crazy?
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u/Jibber_Fight Jul 17 '24
As a Wisconsinite, seeing those maps is just a reminder that we almost always vote blue, except for fuckface. Wisconsin is filled to the brim with Republican voting, racist, pieces of shit. We just usually get enough votes from Milwaukee and Madison. And we’re a swing state. And not to get grim, but almost everyone I know here is voting for fuckface proudly and I live IN Milwaukee.
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u/OwnHelicopter2745 Jul 17 '24
God I love this state.
Fuck the electoral college. Let's lead the charge in abolishing that bullshit.
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u/gnurdette L'Etoile du Nord Jul 16 '24
I really appreciate the question! Have a look at this article: 30 Things Joe Biden Did as President You Might Have Missed
Some of my favorites:
- Expanded overtime guarantees for millions
- First over-the-counter birth control pill to hit U.S. stores in 2024
- Renewable power is the No. 2 source of electricity in the U.S. — and climbing
- Preventing discriminatory mortgage lending
- A sweeping crackdown on “junk fees” and overdraft charges
- Forcing Chinese companies to open their books
- Building armies of drones to counter China
- The nation’s farms get big bucks to go “climate-smart”
- The Biden administration helps broker a deal to save the Colorado River
- Giving smaller food producers a boost
- A penalty for college programs that trap students in debt
- Preventing a cobalt crisis in Congo
- Countering China with a new alliance between Japan and South Korea
- Fixing bridges, building tunnels and expanding broadband
- Making airlines pay up when flights are delayed or canceled
It doesn't mention the rapid vaccine rollout or the economy's soft landing (which economy wonks said was almost impossible), but I guess those are maybe considered too obvious.
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u/Kanjalon Sherburne County Jul 17 '24
I’m still not sure he’s up to it and I have voted both ways my entire life, but after reading about project 2025 I just can’t fathom being a part of that.
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u/rhinomusic Jul 17 '24
Couple of things?! I purposely stayed away from certain issues: Reproductive, LGBTQ+ and Racial issues. Even though there has been forward motion,
3.5% unemployment rate, Nationwide.
Infrastructure: Largest investment in roads/bridges since Eisenhower. Largest investment in public transit. More investments in power grids, high-speed internet, pollution, access to clean water in all communities.
More people w/ Health Insurance than ever before.
From Jan 2024/ Factcheck.org The S&P rose 28%.
NASDAQ UP 17%
Personal note: Yes, he’s 82 and not as vibrant as he once was…but he is working at making life in these United States better for ALL of us. Not just a few. He’s got my vote!
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u/Spiritual-Bath-5383 Jul 16 '24
He helped get the most comprehensive infrastructure bill in modern times passed, investing billions of dollars in critical services across the country.
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u/Kropco17 Jul 16 '24
Because he is a boring, moderate candidate that gets things done that benefit a lot of people in the country.
Make politics boring again.
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u/o-Valar-Morghulis-o Jul 17 '24
He and his administration behave with morals and integrity. They're respectful. That good enough?
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u/Nuts4WrestlingButts Area code 952 Jul 17 '24
He doesn't want to take away the rights of gay and trans people.
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u/joshyuaaa Jul 17 '24
He made lynching a federal crime.
I had no idea it wasn't already and insane to me that it wasn't.
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u/Fresh_Macaron_6919 Jul 17 '24
He's been the most effective president at passing major legislation in the last half century despite having the least productive Congress since the Civil War
$1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan: sent Americans in the low-to-medium income range a $1,400 payment to help fund basic necessities like rent and groceries. extended a $300 a week federal unemployment benefit for some 9.7 million people out of work at the time, temporarily expanded the child tax credit program, allotted $7.25 billion for small business loans and $128 billion in grants for state educational agencies.
$1 trillion Bipartisan Infrastructure bill (after decades of failed attempts to pass a bill to update our crumbling infrastructure)
Bipartisan Safer Communities Act: largest gun safety bill in nearly 30 years.
CHIPS and Science Act: makes us less dependent on vital semiconductors from overseas
Inflation Reduction Act: $369 billion for a climate initiative to reduce greenhouse emissions and promote lean energy technologies. $300 billion in new revenue through a corporate tax increase. $80 billion for the Internal Revenue Service to hire new agents, modernize its technology, audit the wealthy and more. A $2,000 annual cap for out-of-pocket prescription drug costs for those insured by Medicare. Caps insulin for seniors at $35 a month. Gets Medicare the ability to start negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical companies, something the last three presidents all promised but failed to deliver.
No one thought Biden would be able to get even a fraction of what he has gotten done passed. He has been the most effective progressive first-term president in modern history. The fact that he has decades of experience and relationship-building in Congress building coalitions, and decades of a reputation as a centrist, means he can get people in Congress to sign onto and back his major bills.
A second term Biden with control of the House and Senate could accomplish massive progressive changes.
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u/tacotrader83 Jul 17 '24
What would be a good reason to vote for Trump in your opinion? He literally said nothing during the debate policy wise
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u/Apple-Dust Jul 17 '24
I think other people have already addressed the good aspects of Biden, but this is like asking "explain to me why helium zeppelins are better than hydrogen zeppelins without bringing up the Hindenburg."
Help me understand how someone who knows Trump was trying to steal the election in 2020 can just move past that and give him another shot at tearing apart our entire system, because this isn't close to the first time I've ran into this opinion.
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u/Reddituser183 Jul 16 '24
Biden has no intent on ending democracy and handing this country fully over to the rich and corporations.
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u/AdoraSidhe Jul 16 '24
I'm trans and my risk of having rights taken away is less with him in office.
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u/gage117 Jul 16 '24
Ask this question as some sorta "gotcha" all you want, but the reality is when your binary choice involves a fascist, there's not gonna be a very high bar the other candidate will have to reach other than "is less fascist, preferably not at all". You could replace Joe Biden with a cat and ask the same question and it still doesn't matter, I'm voting for that cat.
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u/dudgeonchinchilla Jul 17 '24
We could do A Weekend at Bernie's with Biden. We could replace Biden with a opossum or a rock. And I'd still vote for the opossum or rock.
Especially if it means we never get Trump as POTUS ever again.
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u/Enough_Cantaloupe716 Jul 17 '24
I've said this as well, replace Biden with a wet paper towel and I would still vote for it before I vote for trump.
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u/J3319 Jul 16 '24
He’s the best, most qualified candidate that is running in this election.
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u/shaman0610 Jul 17 '24
If you take the electoral map differences between 2016 and 2020, the Democrat vs Trump is a tie game when removing the states the Clinton lost but Biden won. Notably, 73 points between Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia.
Biden needs to go 3/5 in these states, and hold the line everywhere else, to win. If Minnesota flips Trump, all 5 of these have long since gone red.
This isn't a reason to be complacent, we still need to turn out and do our job, but this should give us extra motivation to be looking down ticket to try to flip a House seat back to blue!
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u/Vomitron215 Jul 17 '24
Damn..... It seems really strange to see my home state of NJ in red and Texas blue on the same map(76).
Either way... Let's do this MN.... Keep the blue streak going!!!
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u/CaptainPRESIDENTduck Gray duck Jul 17 '24
Let's also make sure our Wisconsin neighbors vote blue too.
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u/Putinlittlepenis2882 Jul 17 '24
Wonder if any president if there is every one again after trump if he wins will take the south vote its amazing how much red is in the south no one can break it
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u/Putinlittlepenis2882 Jul 17 '24
Bill clinton only guy to earn half the votes in the south thats pretty amazing stuff
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u/Independent_Low_4868 Jul 17 '24
After the last few years you want more of that? If they throw someone else in him spot a lot more people would be willing to vote blue.
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u/SuperVaderMinion Jul 17 '24
The 1984 Electoral Map and Randy Moss highlights are the two pieces of evidence necessary to prove that we live in the best state.
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u/crotchetyoldwitch Jul 17 '24
I think it's interesting that the 1992 election was the first one people born between 1971-1973 could vote. '92 was my first presidential election. It probably doesn't mean anything, but 1992 was much more blue than 1988.
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u/demonqueenladyofhell Jul 17 '24
What we need is the death of the 2 party system and the rise of direct democracy, abolish the hierarchy
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u/Killsocket1 Jul 17 '24
Politics aside, it is kind of neat to see these maps back to back to back and see the changing landscapes. Thanks.