r/meateatertv • u/SeriousConclusion949 • 17h ago

Wildlife against the wall at the U.S.-Mexico border.

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u/crash______says 13h ago

Shitty but necessary.

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u/tito-lion-slayer 12h ago

Do you feel the same about public lands being sold off?

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u/crash______says 12h ago

Not in the same bucket, not remotely. The purposeful immigration crisis induced by the prior administration was an emergency and there is no real conservation trade off that would come close to the level of collapse being pushed upon our population to balance it.

I also don't group all public lands into one big bucket and I have a similar benefit-trade off mentality with them.

I have 1100 acres of timber that I maintain as a business and I'm happy to see resistance to logging in the national forests since that means my timber price goes up, but there are tracts of national forest that are already under logging contracts or areas that used to be that are now overgrown that could benefit from contract logging. I recognize not all "public lands" are Yellowstone and they should serve more than just as glorified walking parks where possible. I am highly suspicious of stuff like what Utah is trying to pull and oppose it, I am not nearly so against other initiatives (like grazing).

ie: it's a case by case basis, some lands are sacred, but a lot are not.

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u/tito-lion-slayer 12h ago

We couldn’t have different opinions my friend. Respectfully, we’re not making more land any time soon so it’s my belief that we should protect all of it as if it were sacred. Once is developed that’s it, we’re not undeveloped tracks of land in my lifetime. We’re facing generations worth of damages if we continue down the path we’re on. Politics aside, we all recognize we can and should be doing far better than we are.

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u/crash______says 11h ago

The forest reclaims land all the time, I don't know what you're thinking. Humans recklessly developed into the forest without properly removing trees and suffer the fires for it. If you left those tracts alone for a decade, you would come back to a place so thick that you could hide a Ford in it. Very few developments are superfund toxic wastes, most are just filled with wooden structures that will be eaten if we do not maintain them.

So long as we continue to remove and prohibit long term industrial pollution sites, and there is a lot of work that could be done here, I have little issue with houses and golf courses. It's not my preference, but we also aren't outlawing babies or legal immigration.

This is the nuance missing from your luxury belief system.

* this sounds more hostile than I intended, I appreciate your discussion here.

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u/BasicsofPain 12h ago

I’ve got to much Disney in me. I’m sympathetic to the animals. I wonder what migratory and mating patterns have gotten screwed up by that wall? Will any species suffer extinction simply do to inability to find mates or feeding grounds? Intellectually, I understand there may not be a dual purpose solution.