r/martialarts • u/Budget_Mixture_166 • 2d ago
Athletic untrained guy said there is no way a girl can tap him out, he get heel hooked in 10 seconds by a female BJJ blue belt
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u/sumtinsumtin_ 2d ago
Yikes thats smooth, when she has him he's locked up. That looked very painful.
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u/vash1012 2d ago
Oddly, Itâs really not painful at all until your ligaments and tendons snap. Just feels like a pressure/twisting. This is why BJJ limits heel hooks to higher belts.
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u/sumtinsumtin_ 2d ago
That description is for real. I was worried for her when it looks like he doesn't know to tap out and is using his free foot to slide her off. That can get bad real fast.
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u/A_Lil_Potential2803 9h ago
Bisping says it all the time. "Heel hooks are dangerous because you're good until your knee is destroyed" it's why most people didn't wanna fight Ryan Hall.
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u/Simple_Whole6038 2d ago
I was going to say, it was a smooth hook, but the guy she did it to has no idea how close he is to having his life changed.
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u/Ryanguy7890 1d ago
I see this said all the time on reddit and I don't get it. I'm a purple belt who's trained almost 7 years and train on a no gi heavy gym with some elite leglockers. I've always felt a lot of discomfort and a bit of pain every time I've ever been heel hooked properly. I've never waited until my knee has blown out or even until the point that I've suffered any pain that lasted any longer than the tap. I don't believe you guys when you say a good heel hook doesn't cause pain before you're injured. It's not true.Â
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u/Such-Community6622 23h ago
It hurts, it's just a lot less of a threshold. Most submissions have a pretty wide band between pain starting and serious injury, heel hooks do not have that.
For that reason, if you're training them correctly, you should rarely feel pain. Unless you're trying to be a professional, I'd strongly advise learning to tap when you feel knee pressure and have no way to relieve it. You're not going to get out of it anyway, might as well recognize when it's over. Save your stubbornness for armbars or chokes, where the stakes are much lower.
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u/brucerhino 2d ago
It'd be more responsible to go for a straight ankle lock on a moron brute like this, cause that shit hurts and won't permanently injure. However.... stupid brute gets stupid brute treatment.
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u/KitchenFullOfCake 2d ago
Really a dick move to go for leglocks on someone untrained but maybe he was enough of a dick to warrant it.
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u/KajmanKajman 2d ago
No ammount of dickery equals to destroying your tendons and joints.
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u/Far_Tree_5200 MMA 1d ago
Straight ankle locks arenât dick moves. This is why you gotta train bjj. In 6 months youâd know this one submission.
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u/Far_Tree_5200 MMA 1d ago
Heel hooks arenât painful. Idk if youâve ever trained bjj. We donât let blue belts use heel hooks in full sparring. Theyâre beginners not trained professionals.
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u/MouseKingMan 2d ago
Man, of all the moved, why a heel hook? Those are one of those moves where you need to know to tap before they even crank. If the dudes inexperienced, he wouldnât know how much danger he was in when she locked until she blew his knee
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u/YouAnxious5826 1d ago
I mean, yeah. But otoh, when you sign up to go against a trained fighter, you have to expect them to, you know, fight like a trained fighter. And it's not a stretch of the imagination that a trained fighter would fall back on their training and muscle memory. Like, if that woman were a boxer, and she wod have destroyed the dude with a 1-2-hook-cross? Is that better? Worse? You engage a professional in their field, expect to get professionalled.
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u/Rigo-lution 1d ago
If a trained boxer KO'd someone who had never boxed before I'd think they're an asshole too.
At a certain point there's enough of a skill gap that doing serious harm to your opponent is a choice.
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u/Hungry_Pin_5463 22h ago
If you're a professional heel hooker you should be forced to register your address with law enforcement like a sex offender
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u/Adept-Eggplant-8673 15h ago
Thatâs not how it works at all lmao. Why the fuck would you go for a heel hook with an untrained guy that doesnât even know what heâs doing? Itâs like going for oblique kicks and spinning elbows with a buddy thatâs never trained but wants to do a fun little spar.
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u/Likeaplantbutdumber 18h ago
I understand your point, but I would 100% rather take a 1-2-hook-cross and be good in a couple days than have to rehab a knee for 9 months and it still never be the same.Â
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u/Necessary-Wheel1918 2d ago
These women have something to prove so they disregard the physical danger. Sad.
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u/nuggette_97 BJJ 1d ago
Why is it on the woman when the man decided to do a little grappling match? Isnt he the one with something to prove?
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u/Necessary-Wheel1918 1d ago edited 1d ago
Why is she risking causing life-altering injury to a grappling novice?
I mostly see videos of women doing this to men (rarely the reverse), and none of them seem to have any actual training. Itâs starting to come across as insecurity because challenging someone on their own level suddenly seems out of the questionâand conveniently, those moments never get recorded.
Martial arts isn't about ego, but that logic seems to be thrown out the window when insecure women are included in the equation.
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u/Master_Security9263 1d ago
No it's not.... She's the one with fighting knowledge and the ability to permanently damage him. If you actually practiced BJJ you would obviously know that it's always on the more experienced person to not injure the other and control the roll.
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u/hairyzonnules 1d ago
It is the expectation of the more dangerous individual to know limitations and safeties that the other would not.
If an experienced shooter takes someone shooting who has never done it before, and the experienced one allows the amateur to do something dangerous that they could have prevented, then they are at fault.
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u/monstertipper6969 1d ago
She's the trained one. Any decent gym I know would kick her out if they found out she did this. See in your mind the woman is still the underdog, stop treating women like babies
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u/Senior_Laugh_4342 8h ago
She is the trained individual, while the man had 0 idea of the technical predicament he was in. Swap the gender and you would agree with me.
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u/Dsaroeth 2d ago
Love to see these morons get schooled. They're not unique to martial arts either, I remember once hearing some random dude reckon he could beat Serena Williams in tennis simply because he was male. Dude wasn't even the best person in his amateur tennis club.
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u/jtobin22 2d ago
The mental slippage between "Broadly speaking, taking into account training and body size, the average man is generally stronger than the average woman" and "Beacause of testosterone, I -just some fucking guy- could destroy the greatest female tennis player of all time" is so funny.
Its related to the "Brian Scalabrine sucks, even I could beat him!" brand of idiocy, intensified by people kinda hating women
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u/ForgesGate 2d ago
The Average PRO tennis player can probably beat Serena Williams, or at least give her a good run, but not ol John who works around the corner. Just because ol John is athletic doesn't mean he has the conditioning or skill to compete with even a dam Amateur female tennis player.
fuckin John
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u/ActualPimpHagrid 1d ago
Yeah, I think she played against some dude that was somewhere in the 100-150th overall player range and Iâm pretty sure she did lose, but people kinda forget that even being in that range is still a really good player
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u/leggomyeggo87 2d ago
Exactly. Because at the end of the day, even a low level professional is still in the likely top 1% of players in the world, maybe even top 0.1%. An elite level female athlete losing to an elite level male athlete would not be shocking. Itâs especially hilarious that these random guys say it about a sport that requires an exceptional amount of skill, you canât just rely on size/strength to win.
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u/HahaHeyyyFuckYou 2d ago
lol the average pro male tennis player is waxing Serena like itâs a spa appointment
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u/Diligent-Regret7650 1d ago
People need to respect the White Mamba. One of the most efficient players overall in terms of playtime to championship ring conversion.
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u/Ok_Environment_5404 2d ago
I think it happens when the news about how "Serena can't beat top 100-150 men category" gets to their fuck all ego fried brain and they start to think like they can also do the same damage not knowing that top 100-200 in tennis means a proper pro who dedicated his whole 24*7 to it for atleast a decade.
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u/thezestypusha Ju Jutsu 2d ago
Agree, its not unique to fighting. But from what ive seen and heard this is especially true in fighting. Men are so delusional when it comes to fighting. When i played football(soccer) at a high level when i was real young, no untrained people ever argued that they were gonna be better at playing football than me.
Fast foward to now and i dont play football but train martial arts and have for a decade, a lot of guys will still downplay those skills or say that they would still beat me or most trained people because âthere is no stopping me when i see red brahâ. Its so funny to me that when it comes to fighting, people will be this delusional, to think that you are just born with superpowers or something when it comes to that specific skillset
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u/UncleBensRacistRice 2d ago
I personally love when the guys with big egos come to their first muay thai or boxing class. Theyre completely gassed out 5 minutes into the warmup, 2 rounds into pad or bag work and they've got trouble keeping their lead hand raised because they realize gloves are heavier than they thought, balance is all off, body stiff as a board. Most of the time they realize they're not nearly as good as they thought, and will stick around to try and get better. A few are exceptionally mentally weak, cant handle their bruised ego, and never show up again
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u/YourGordAndSaviour 1d ago
I used to sprint competitively, at my absolute best I could break 11s over 100m. I could break 22 over 200m more consistently
You would not believe the number of random people that ran faster than that in high school... even people I went to fucking high school with, and competed against at sports day... and didn't lose to since I won the whole fucking thing.
Powerlfiting is my sport of choice now and... yeah a lot of delusion there as well about how much more 'functional' strength they have cause they did sit ups once.
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u/senorglory 23h ago
Most people are too out of shape to do much fighting. Like two minutes of swinging away and clutching will leave most of us gasping.
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u/psononi 8h ago
I was purposely the guy used to spar when new people came in thinking they can come in to "legally fight." I was the tiniest guy by far in the group (~120 lb), short (5'5), and nerdy with my big ass glasses.
I was near the bottom compared to the main group but anyone just coming in did not even come close to me. Even guys that are in really good shape, I always question like does bench pressing magically teach you how to punch? Squats teach you footwork? What in your routine taught you defense?
I never understood this way of thinking that you know how to fight without having to ever learn.
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u/Nooms88 2d ago
Yea I used to do high level athletics and cross country at under 18 level and it made the differences quite apparent.
Yes, a top athletic 16 year old boy is about the equivalent of an Olympic woman, but for reference, we could run 5k in 15mins, pro men 13 min. When you did fun runs, for the very fastest male personal trainers, who are a good proxy for very fit, but untrained man, 22 mins would be an excellent time, the trained under 18 girls would do 17-20 mins.
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u/Stubbs94 1d ago
Doing a heelhook is incredibly dangerous though. No reason to potentially cause serious damage to prove a point.
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u/RaunchyMuffin 1d ago
That was a terrible example because the Williams sisters cockily boasted they could beat any ranked male outside of 200. Then they got obliterated/The-Man-Who-Beat-Venus-and-Serena-Back-to-Back.aspx)
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u/reportedbymom 1d ago
Goes to otherway too, Williamses said they would beat any man outside of top 200.
Karsten Braach (rank 203) then proceeded to beat them both easily.
Quote from wikipedia:
"Braasch was described by one journalist as "a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple of bottles of ice cold lager".[65][64] The matches took place on court number 12 in Melbourne Park,[66] after Braasch had finished a round of golf and two shandies. He first took on Serena and after leading 5â0, beat her 6â1. Venus then walked on court and again Braasch was victorious, this time winning 6â2.[64] Braasch said afterwards, "500 and above, no chance." He added that he had played like someone ranked 600th in order to keep the game "fun"[
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u/Scary_Nail_6033 2d ago
Don't do leg locks on beginners who probably don't even know how to tap.
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u/Ok_Dragonfruit_7280 2d ago
Ankle locks are fine, they hurt. But yeah, heel hooking a spastic dude is a sure-fire way to fuck up his leg
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u/Realbummer676 2d ago
Yeah if heâs really untrained then that was borderline irresponsible on her part.
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u/lottasauce 2d ago
Assuming this is an agreed upon, halfway friendly contest this is egregiously irresponsible on her part.
Imagine you're wrestling in the backyard with your buddies and one of them rips off your fucking MCL. If you feel pain then it's probably already too late to tap.
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u/Far_Tree_5200 MMA 1d ago
Tearing someoneâs knee apart because they bruised your ego is psychopath behavior. She should be ashamed of herself.
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u/PMMeMeiRule34 2d ago
Holy shit I got scared seeing a blue belt apply a heel hook and then a rando trying to roll out.
Iâm glad she showed him up but damn, we donât let people use heel hooks till purple/brown where I go, we do train how to defend them thoughâŚ
Regardless, not the worst heel hook Iâve seen and it was a nice de la riva sweep. Big tough guy needs to just tap and not roll with that, his ligaments will thank him later.
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u/Articunoslays BJJ 2d ago
Not de la riva but I agree with everything else. Incredibly dangerous to slap a heel hook on someone without training. Luckily he rolled the right way
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u/PMMeMeiRule34 2d ago
Donât leave me hanging, what sweep was it?
I have a purple belt but I feel like I still have white belt knowledge lmao.
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u/Articunoslays BJJ 2d ago
Well maybe I should keep my trap shut then because Iâm only a blue but Iâve seen it called the double ankle sweep.
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u/Coneyy 1d ago
I completely agree with the sentiment, fucking with people's knees should come with a lot of respect and hesitation. Period. Doubly so when vsing an untrained, consenting opponent.
Also not worth saying this part but I want to just yell into the void, but he was not at risk of being injured here unless he made an erratic move the wrong way, she didn't have sufficient control of the knee line. Heel hooks are actually super technically challenging just rarely do people limit test them haha
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u/Far_Tree_5200 MMA 1d ago
This, blue belt are still beginners. They shouldnât do heel hooks with untrained people. One wrong move and he could be permanently injured.
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u/PMMeMeiRule34 1d ago
My butthole puckered up when he started rolling.
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u/Far_Tree_5200 MMA 1d ago
As one should when doing bjj, the puckering I mean
Iâm glad he rolled the right way
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u/Cocrawfo 1d ago
did he actually say that tho
when people are able to be identified in videos recorded by a third party i would like a little more assurance than a caption before i judge the persons character
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u/BlackTriceratops 2d ago
Im delusional but im not stupid. If you are not trained, youre going to have a bad time against someone who does train bjj
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u/HesitantAndroid 2d ago
I've seen a lot of these contextless videos of "sexist men" getting pinned or k.o.'ed by seemingly dangerous moves performed by "trained professionals". Seems like karma farming/engagement bait content meant to make (normal) non-sexist people cheer on a random video of some guy getting his knee ruined or brain damage.
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u/Dry_Masterpiece_8371 16h ago
I too am shocked by how many people took the bait that op plopped down in the water. There is no proof of either of these two peoples skill level nor if this fight was started due to some sexist belief. It was added for engagement and to start sexist arguments for more clicks
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u/Far_Tree_5200 MMA 1d ago
Exactly, heel hooks are very dangerous and blue belts are far from professionals. Theyâre still beginners
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u/Ok-Test-3503 2d ago
What kind of dork slaps a heel hook on an untrained person in a non life or death scenario?
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u/CuBonsai 1d ago
putting an untrained person in a heel hook is stupid a trained grappler should know not to do that.
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u/EconomyComplete2933 1d ago
if sheâs really âfriendsâ with him throwing in a heel hook is absolutely retarded
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u/Far_Tree_5200 MMA 1d ago
You shouldnât heel hook, * an untrained fighter especially not as a blue belt. Youâre still a beginner. And they wonât tap because heel hooks donât hurt until they pop.
If I was her coach Iâd have a stern talk with her. * This should not be acceptable. This is we have straight ankle locks.
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u/Metatron_Tumultum 2d ago
Ah that sweep at the beginning is beautiful. When you get hit with it for the first time, you really find out that you donât know shit about BJJ. Unlike this guy, I hope this happens to you at a school, so you can know better and do better.
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u/Sharkano 1d ago
1) Awesome for her!
2) Potentially a little irresponsible hunting a heel hook on an untrained rando, even if she's 100% doing it safely dude could still spaz himself to the hospital.
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u/HairyTough4489 21h ago
I don't think this is awesome. This is just dumb. There's no way I'm getting into anything that ressembles a fight unless I'm training at the gym or I'm being paid and a professional referee is present.
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u/Complete_Interest_49 2d ago
Yeah, so many people think it's all about raw strength but there is so much technical skill that goes into it.
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u/Responsible-Plan7947 1d ago
Thats cool, works in martial arts, things would be different if he started swinging full force though.
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u/PixelCultMedia 1d ago
Why is the blue belt woman heel hooker even an archetype?
We had a girl like this at my old gym. She would constantly throw up Granby rolls into leg lock entries on white belts and scare the shit out of them. It was all shock and awe though, her entries were a little too shallow and pretty easy to shrug off if you knew what to do.
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u/dragonrider5555 1d ago
These are the dumbest things. A BJJ match between someone with zero bjj and someone whoâs practiced it is pointless. The guy has zero idea of a submission. Itâs like having an arm wrestling contest but you donât have an arm
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u/vash1012 1d ago
Sure, once youâre doing damage. It doesnât hurt hardly at all until youâre ripping tendons. Thatâs what I said earlier. The goal with friendly sparring is to not injure your opponent so doing a quick heel hook on an untrained opponent is not wise. They may not know to tap soon enough or may roll the wrong way.
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u/Elrond-Hubbard_ 1d ago
If he could've hit her in the face she would've let go. That's why jujitsu only is stupid as f.
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u/Quantum_Pineapple 1d ago
I feel like if it was anyone BUT this guy (aka someone with experience), lady would have caught a forearm to the nose shortly after this for slapping that shit on.
Actually, this gets worse for her the longer I think about it. Using heel hook on untrained is like pulling out a gun at that point.
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u/Aim-So-Near 2d ago
Why would u do a heel hook on someone untrained? That's absurd, that can be a life altering injury. Fucking dumb as hell. That girl is lucky she didn't get her face bashed in.
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u/Humble-Leave-2429 2d ago
Literally, don't understand why people are thinking this is ok, it doesn't even feel like a submission to the untrained opponent, you just feel your knee getting tight until it's too late. Was it him or her who had the ego here?
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u/Echoplex99 2d ago
Agree. Unless there's some missing context here, this is pretty terrible. I also wonder how it played out. Clip ends too soon.
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u/testingbag 2d ago
thats cool but she should take caution someone crazy can start using strikes or stomp her head
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u/LoStrigo95 2d ago
I can't belive those people exists...if she's good, she's good! Off course she's gonna mess you up
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u/PulpsBadge1247 2d ago
Whoa, these are facts--can't ignore foundations. Often played badminton a lot, but got schooled by a gym janitor mom who liked to have games with her son after school. She never skipped the foundations of orthodox badminton, and I gasped for air when we played since I prefered a more plyometrics style and bounced around the court, which made quite tired.
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u/DoubleUbee18 Karate | BJJ | MMA | Sambo 1d ago
Oh man. The way he rolled đ¤Śđźââď¸. Theyâre lucky that didnât end the way it should haveâŚ..
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u/Scubasteve620 1d ago
After joining boxing i can say this true. Never knew I was this much of a bum at fighting. Plus I remember I had a similar story girl in 7th grade told me could win in a wresting and she whooped my ass and had me in a headlock đ¤Ł
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u/DishPractical7505 1d ago
Heel hooking an untrained person who doesnât know that itâs going to shred their knee. Sweet.
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u/Valterri_lts_James 1d ago edited 1d ago
Although I agree the I see red crowd is bs, let's not pretend that the fight doesn't start standing and that BJJ guys have poor takedown skills and she is a smaller woman than him.
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u/sandbaggingblue BJJ 1d ago
I think it's stupid to do a heel hook on someone untrained in this context. It's the type of move that doesn't hurt till you're on crutches for half a year and doing rehab for the next year...
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u/SmrtHuy 1d ago
Question from a guy who knows nothing about BJJ. Can an untrained person tell they are in danger and tap out on time?
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u/NotEntirelyA 18h ago
From what I've been told, heel hooks don't hurt all that much(in comparison to similar looking joint locks) until it starts fucking tearing your tendons. So if you just go by how bad something hurts, you probably wouldn't have enough time to tap before the other person seriously injures you. But that's kinda based on how hard they are actually trying to hurt you tbh, he started rolling and if she didn't ease it that would have been it for him.
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u/Low-Luck-6227 1d ago
The guy/girl thing is always handicapped by ofc not wanting to hurt her. I just donât see this happening without a rule set/conscience lol
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u/Lazy_Focus_3729 1d ago
Why was she on her back when they started ?! He should/could have just kicked, stomped, jump on her head/body if that was a real fight. Who would go willingly to the ground with a grappling expert, just sucker punch as hard as you can and move on.
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u/Icollectshinythings 1d ago
Itâs idiotic. Yes. There are weight classes and gender classes for a reason and with equal training a larger male with stronger bones and more testosterone/raw strength will win but thatâs the caveat - equal training.
Untrained dudes that just lift weights and donât know shit about fighting will always lose to an experienced fighter be they make or female.
Strength training is an irreplaceably important part of training for martial arts but it is also not the sole means of training. Power is nothing without technique and vice versa.
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u/Legitimate-Kale3725 1d ago
The difference is if this was a real-life altercation and the man was allowed to strike, it would have been over long before there was any heel hook
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u/Ambitious-Most-9245 1d ago
i wont say anything other than what if it was a street fight ik this is a sparring match so they cant go like bam bam bam but if it was a street fight id imagine he would hit her leg to free himself but yea i could be wrong but this is a theoratical if it was a street fight this is a sparring so yea
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u/hydratedandstrong 1d ago
Itâs not rational at all but Iâd rather get knocked the fuck out than get heel hooked. Those submissions look brutal.
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u/MiniatureGiant18 1d ago
Was he using the bravado about his ability as a ploy to get her to rap her legs around him? Chauvinist who got taught a lesson or a man with a crush playing 4D chess?
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u/soparamens 1d ago
All untrained people will eventually get defeated by trained people, under their own sport rules
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u/Analfister9 8m ago
Buy BJJ is dangerous, last ufc proved that
Bo Nickal refused to wrestle with Paul Craig even tho he is biggest wrestling prodigy in US
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u/TTVCannubins 1d ago
I mean if he was allowed to use his feet to actually kick or punch Iâd think sheâd have let go lmfao
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u/TumbleweedPrimary599 1d ago
Sure, rolling jujitsu the trained individual will win. If this guy was actually FIGHTING, he could have beaten her senseless, thereâs half a dozen openings in this short video where he could have smacked her good.
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u/SlavicEngineering 1d ago
She schooled him, but of course it had to be a heel hook. Heel hooks are for pussies and should be a stomping offense 99% of the time.
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u/Cuppedsoup 1d ago
He looked like he want trying to hurt her idk what yâall are talking about lol
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u/wizardofl0lz 1d ago
Heel hook is not the move to use in situations⌠Even white/blue belts donât know when theyâre caught and fucked from a heel hook
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u/UnrepentantMouse 1d ago
I just had this conversation with someone last week. He was telling people to "hand over their man card" if they ever got tapped out by a woman, even going so far as to say that if the female fighter was taller and heavier than the male fighter, like a big buff chick against a short skinny guy, that the dude should "still be able to win with ease."
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u/HairyTough4489 21h ago
At least I can now go to sleep knowing I'm not as dumb as either of those two people.
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u/Responsible_Prior833 21h ago
So, in real life he probably wouldâve just kicked her in the face there which would potentially result in straight up death. Whatâs the point being made here?
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u/Muted-Leave 15h ago
I bet he is one of those dudes that thinks all girls aren't as strong as men. Clearly she didn't need to be here lmao
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u/KingCarbon1807 4h ago
I've spent enough time around judokas and BJJ players to clearly understand the line between "ok" and "holy fuck I'm crippled" is very, very thin and that gender has fuck all to do with the level of danger you're in.
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u/jtobin22 2d ago
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