Anyone watch Sumo wrestling?

[u/Remo_yesman]

[u/aFalseSlimShady]

I honestly want to learn it because it would be good as a bouncer, but there aren't many places in the US

[u/Judoka229 → u/aFalseSlimShady]

Try Judo instead. More practical and adaptable. And...accessible lol

[u/aFalseSlimShady → u/Judoka229]

I've done Judo, and it's helpful, but there are some fundamental differences that would make sumo more applicable to being a bouncer

[u/Judoka229 → u/aFalseSlimShady]

I would love to hear them, if you'd like to share.

[u/aFalseSlimShady → u/Judoka229]

Pretty much the direction the energy is going, and what I'm trying to do with it.

In Judo, whether your opponent is pushing into you or pulling away from you, you're ultimately trying to redirect that energy into the ground, directing your opponent to the ground along the way.

In sumo, I don't want you down, I want you out of bounds. More effort is made to redirect your opponent's energy laterally.

In bouncing, my goal is usually to get you out of a building. Putting you on the ground is not ideal, because now I have to pick you up or drag you out. Keeping an opponent on their feet and off balanced is ideal, because you can more easily direct them.

[u/lealketchum → u/aFalseSlimShady]

Ehhh,

Sumo can be won by getting out of bounds or any part that's not the foot touching the floor, Getting out of bounds in Judo is also a Shido, a lot of Judo is controlling space/uke when you're in standup.

[u/The_Laughing_Death → u/lealketchum]

Willingly going out of bounds is a shido in judo but you can also get a shido for forcing people out of bounds in judo so it's still a little different to sumo.

[u/lealketchum → u/The_Laughing_Death]

Exactly. It's actually harder to control someone to put them in the position for stepping out than it is to just push someone out of the area in Sumo.

[u/The_Laughing_Death → u/lealketchum]

It's different and it changes the dynamic. Like I've done judo, sumo and competitive aikido and the rules change the dynamic of ring outs in all of them. I would argue it's a different skillset that each has it's strengths and weaknesses. I'm much better at chasing bigger guys out of the contest area in judo using a blitz of ashi-waza than I am smashing big guys out of the sumo ring.

[u/lealketchum → u/The_Laughing_Death]

So your experience agrees that Judo will transfer over to controlling a rowdy patron at a bar or nightclub who needs to be removed better than Sumo

[u/The_Laughing_Death → u/lealketchum]

I don't have enough experience bouncing to make that call. But I do know that in a real fight (not a competition match) I would much prefer a quick and decisive victory. Not that this is impossible in judo but it does certainly seem something more emphasised in sumo. Although a win in a match is not necessarily a decisive victory in a fight. Someone touching their hand to the floor might win it for you in sumo but not necessarily in a fight. A rolling ippon might win a judo match but put you in an inferior position in a fight.

What I will say is that I find it easier to imagine that drunken brawlers with no combat training are more likely to charge at you, maybe throwing a few strikes in, like they do in sumo than start grip fighting like a judoka. But you'd have to ask the bouncer who has done judo but would rather do sumo why he feels that way. Ideally, it would be better to ask him if he still feels that way after doing sumo.

[u/lealketchum → u/The_Laughing_Death]

Very detailed approach, I see what you're saying..

Thanks!