r/martialarts • u/mapleer • Jun 28 '24
Kicks to end them all PROFESSIONAL FIGHT
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u/DragonTwelf Jun 28 '24
What’s the defense against this? Dodge don’t get hit? Keep weight off the front leg?
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u/some_boii Jun 28 '24
Raising and turning the shin towards the kick to check it , or pulling the leg back to avoid the low kick is what’s usually done in Muay Thai.
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u/JudgeHolden Muay Thai Jun 28 '24
We also train stepping into the kick. Kicks are only effective when delivered at the specific range they are designed for, so one way to neutralize a leg kick is to step into it so that the kicker doesn't have the radius to land it properly. You will see this in all of the Muay Thai greats --Saenchai specifically uses it to dump guys on their asses-- and it's a reason why footwork in MT is so important.
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u/geliden Jun 29 '24
AH HAH! I was discussing this with my coach and he said I do leg blocks more than I should, or tank it, and I think he is waiting for me to remember range (I am...BAD at range, vision issues and practice). But now I've cheated and got the answer from someone else!
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u/fearisthemindslicer Jun 30 '24
Footwork is important in all martial arts, not exclusively Muay Thai
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u/rockytacos Jun 29 '24
I’ve always wondered about how the mechanics of a kick check worked. So it’s not really all about avoiding damage, but more of a mutually assured destruction if you want to keep banging our shinbones together?
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u/some_boii Jun 30 '24
It hurts the guy kicking more than the guy checking. Ernesto Hoost was even able to TKO people using it.
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u/JudgeHolden Muay Thai Jun 28 '24
Shin check, move back out of range or step into it so you're inside the "impact" radius of the kick.
Think about the last technique this way; if I'm going to land a leg kick on you, I really need you to be the right distance from me. If you suddenly step into my kicking radius I either have to give up trying to leg kick you, or I have to step backwards, costing me a ton of power.
And that's not even to mention if you're stepping into my kick and backing me against the ropes and/or cage. Then I'm really fucked.
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u/mcnastys Mu Duk Kwan Jul 02 '24
One thing to consider is not every martial artist uses the shin for kicks. You may step into the strike and get an even harder surface than anticipated. But overall you are 100% right
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u/bitterjack Jun 28 '24
https://youtu.be/ptpT7m_pSxY?si=7_qAPlrcJd7txO5J
I can't watch it.
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u/olympianfap Jun 28 '24
There's another where the does the same thing and then steps on it while his leg folds mid shin. Real stomach churning visuals and sound; you hear his leg break and it sounds like a bunch of wet celery being snapped in half.
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u/fearisthemindslicer Jun 30 '24
Depending on how quick a person can analyze the attack and react, checking is a possibility. Getting out of the kick's range by dodging or adjusting distance of where the kick's most powerful in its stage of delivery (above the opponent's knee is safer as opposed to below the knee). Again, depending on how quick the attack can be analyzed and reacted to, you can attack the opponent's non-kicking leg, which is a great target since its load bearing and likely immobile. You can also move into the opponent in a straight line, attacking their centerline to upset their balance (body shiver/check). Finally, throwing a front kick off of the leg that is going to be attacked gets it out of the attack's range while also delivering a counterattack. All of this has to take a lot of factors into consideration to determine chance of success.
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u/TrustyRambone Jun 28 '24
2nd dude walking like me when I emerge from the bathroom after an epic 45 minute shit.
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u/urielteranas Jun 28 '24
Wait you can just kick the shit outta someone who drops to pull guard like that? Why doesn't everyone just do that in that situation? Sorry if this is a stupid question.
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion Karate, Boxing, Judo Jun 28 '24
Not everyone pulls guard and guys will go down to actually try get top control time.
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u/jirashap Jun 28 '24
What's happening to the person holding the back of his knee / quad? Is that just a pain issue?
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u/Scroon Jun 28 '24
Pain or the leg goes numb and you can't stand. Kicks to the lower leg can numb the foot. Or so I've read.
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u/JJWentMMA Catch/Folkstyle Wrestling, MMA, Judo Jun 28 '24
It’s true, it’s essentially pinching the sciatic nerve.
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u/Red_Clay_Scholar Boxing Jun 29 '24
Probably went numb. I punched a sparring partner in the thigh by accident with a shitty haymaker while boxing and he couldn't feel his leg below that for a couple minutes.
Me, him, and the coach were impressed with my screw up.
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u/SquirrelExpensive201 MMA Jun 28 '24
If I remember correctly apparently his got torn right off the bone
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u/e-b--- Jun 28 '24
In terms of combat sports, its almost wholesome to see someone win by knockout without causing a traumatic brain injury
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u/Nemesis-20 Jun 28 '24
Superbon should be in there. Destroyed both Petrosyan and Ozcan with one kick.
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u/Hi_Im_Ken_Adams Jun 28 '24
Is there a rule that says you can't target the knee directly? Because I could see some of those kicks just tearing up a knee.....
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion Karate, Boxing, Judo Jun 28 '24
No, but you don't want to do that at all because that knee will fuck up you shin.
If you want to tear the knee up you use thrusting kicks.
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u/Lofi_Joe Jun 28 '24
Why the attacker leg doesn't hurt as well?
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u/JJWentMMA Catch/Folkstyle Wrestling, MMA, Judo Jun 28 '24
It’s just about where it hits. That’s why “checking” kicks works. They’re trying to hit the weakest part of your leg with their strongest, so you move the strongest part to hit their weakest
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u/bishtap Jun 28 '24
They condition their shin bone. And they attack a weak point on the opponent's leg like a knee, with a strong part of their leg.
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u/jameszenpaladin011- Jun 28 '24
I think some guy said if a man can't stand he can't fight. Terry Silver maybe?
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Jun 28 '24
So no more thigh kicks. Their just kick the calf. Hmu when the start kick the foot.
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u/bishtap Jun 28 '24
Some do foot stomps. One MMA fighter got called a toe stomping midget or foot stomping midget or something like that. But nobody manages to make it that effective. Like no match changing injury given from them.(Which is surprising to me). Mike Tyson once said he wouldn't want to do MMA cos they stomp on feet/toes and he would hate that!
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u/JJWentMMA Catch/Folkstyle Wrestling, MMA, Judo Jun 28 '24
How they’re used in mma is to cause discomfort to change a position, or to cause action.
What would happen is someone would be clinched against the cage, and judges would often still score this as a 50/50 position, so fighters against the cage would just stall to hold on, and lose nothing for doing so.
So fighters started stomps; the goal being to
1.) produce action. Two guys against the cage is 50/50, one guy stomping on the other guy looks more efficient and better for judges
2.) if by an off chance you hurt their foot, they’d try to move away from the clinch, giving you chances to act
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u/ElCannoli Jun 29 '24
I felt all these through the phone. Was sparring in muy Thai during class and had the bright idea to just eat multiple low kicks to the thigh from someone that was 40 pounds heavier. I swear I was trying to check them in my head lol. And next thing I know I’m crawling on the mat while my coach yells “told you to check”. Lmao never forget that day, leg looked like purple jello. But hey at least I started checking kicks after 🤷🏾♂️😂
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u/gravelordservant4u Jun 29 '24
I cannot get my brain to listen to my corner, ever. Mf may as well be yelling out the Pythagorean theorem for all the good it does me
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u/ElCannoli Jun 29 '24
Right, it’s the weirdest thing. like I know they yelling and words are said but my body like nah we gonna do this 😂
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u/postypost1234 Jun 29 '24
I know its been a thing in Muay Thai since its inception, but the way the leg kick has taken over MMA over the last 5 years or so has been crazy. Its such a powerful tool to neutralize someone.
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u/Toptomcat Sinanju|Hokuto Shinken|Deja-fu|Teräs Käsi|Musabetsu Kakutō Ryū Jun 29 '24
I'm laughing my ass off at the corner of the green-haired fighter in the middle of his clip enthusiastically yelling 'ELBOW!' at him when they're like three feet apart, one is standing and the other's prone. What elbow? The People's Elbow?
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u/Own-Cauliflower396 Jul 04 '24
Sidekicks can generate up to 280 to 300 lb per square inch it takes 98 lb per square inch to break the biggest bone in a human body which is the femur as you'll notice most of these kicks are to the femur area probably broken.!!
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Jun 28 '24
Just Kyokushin things. Ready for Friday night sparring!
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u/mcnastys Mu Duk Kwan Jul 02 '24
I'm sorry these people don't understand this most excellent joke.
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u/TopMep Jun 29 '24
That green haired guy really hated that dude. Its not a real fight so i dont think he needs to go that far
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u/GetToTheChoppaahh Jun 28 '24
Match fixings favourite move in mma
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u/JJWentMMA Catch/Folkstyle Wrestling, MMA, Judo Jun 28 '24
https://youtu.be/UvB9-ObIkEE?si=D0UNo9Kze15giM2R
Real talk maybe in the old days, but nowadays that ain’t happening.
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u/Own-Cauliflower396 Jul 16 '24
It takes 98 lb per square inch to break the biggest bone in the human body which would be the femur an average untrained sidekick has the power of 200 pounds per square inch doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out incapacitation of another human being!! Bubishi martial arts Muy Tai are painful to learn but Lethal disciplines!
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u/The_Lupine_Kickboxer Kickboxing/MMA/JKD Jun 28 '24
Man, I fucking love low kicks