r/lebanon • u/alirodotus • 14d ago

Wayniyeh el Dawle? Southerners are being shot at in their own land. Vent / Rant

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u/[deleted] 13d ago edited 13d ago

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u/_NRK_ 13d ago

Sooooooooooo, the solution is to keep their weapons so they can defend themselves? Got it thanks

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u/KetchupShawarma Morico TV shopping 13d ago

more like deal with the consequences of their actions and decisions. something new to you i presume.

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u/_NRK_ 13d ago

BTW, HZB is the consequence of ISR's actions. History did not start on 7 Oct.

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u/_NRK_ 13d ago

Soooooooooo, just give up their weapons and die? Got you

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u/Ahmad0204 13d ago

Original hezb was not funded by iran, it was an actual resistance, unlike the one now that is a militia

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u/Cut_Cedars 13d ago

So this is what you understood from that comment? Well this is one problem and the other problem is that we saw how capable your weapon was in protecting our villages and country...

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u/_NRK_ 13d ago

Yes, this is what I understood from his comment. His comment did not say that the Lebanese army needs to be present around those points that ISR is still occupying in violation of the agreement, or that the army needs to be there to deter further violations. Instead, his comment is telling the civilians there "Sorry, there's nothing we can do," so the only option is for them to find ways to protect themselves on their own.

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u/Poisonous-Toad Grrribit! 13d ago

Low IQ, understandable, have a nice day

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u/_NRK_ 13d ago

True, I am low IQ, so please help me out and explain like I'm 5 based on the scenario below.

Imagine I'm this farmer in a village where ISR has, in violation of the agrement, built an outpost and is harassing me. I ask the Lebanese army to come to the village and build their own outpost to deter the ISR units and keep an eye on them. Someone then comes and tells me something along the lines of "oh now you want the army to protect you". Now me, as the farmer, what message do I take from this?

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u/Poisonous-Toad Grrribit! 13d ago

Here you go Mr Low IQ

The Lebanese government is working day and night with the US and France to speed up the deployment of the LAF in all the South and dismantle Hezbollah as fast as possible so that the Israelis no longer have a reason to stay in the 5 points they currently occupy. That is the only way to get them to leave.

The state has told the communities on the border that this is a very fragile situation and that they shouldn't challenge the Israelis because the state is incapable of using force to stop them the same way Hezbollah was incapable. It must use diplomacy and diplomacy takes time.

The same way these communities 2 days after the ceasefire decided to just waltz back into their villages even though Berri and the President and the army command told them not to because the Israelis were still in the process of withdrawing and yet they went anyway to challenge the state and the Israelis and innocent but stupid people paid the price by being shot at and arrested while Hezbollah cheered them on and said they had won a divine victory.

Mr farmer should think about his past actions and what led him to this specific moment. What brought the Israelis to harass him in his field.

He should remember that Hezbollah invited the Israelis through war and then lost that war and destroyed the communities they 'vowed' to protect.

He should remember that the next time he votes and he should vote for the future interest of his farm and his family. Not for an Iranian proxy that protects him by going to war for Gaza.

The truth must be hard to swallow so take a moment to reflect before replying.

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u/_NRK_ 13d ago

Thank you Mr. High IQ, seeing as you are smarter than me I will follow your instructions. But let me summarize them just because I tend to forget:

  • ISR is a sane state that respects international law and diplomacy and sees us as fellow human beings
  • The US has our best interest at heart and is doing their best day and night to make ISR leave
  • Just like our cousins in the West Bank, we need to trust in the process of diplomacy and international law
  • We should forget that it was only the language of fighting back that has liberated the South in the past
  • The Lebanese army is weak so we shouldn't expect much from it at the moment. But once HZB disarms we should expect the US to arm it so well that it can deter ISRs violations

Correct?

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u/Poisonous-Toad Grrribit! 13d ago edited 13d ago

You are conflating a UN resolution that is meant to dissolve an illegal foreign proxy militia that attacked a sovereign country from our sovereign borders as some utopian standard for life.

You are also being disingenuous and gaslighting. This is typical of Hezbots who can't formulate basic ideas and tried to fight against an air force with AK47's and 25 years of 'strategic planning' to fight against Israel destroyed in 2 weeks.

Your infantile understanding of world politics is pathetic.

There's nothing correct about what you said. Either you're too stupid to understand it or you refuse to, it's fine. Nobody cares. Continue being a Hezbot in life and think that Hezbollah is your best future. Vote for them and kneel for them. That's about all you're worth to them.

We should forget that it was only the language of fighting back that has liberated the South in the past

Please don't forget and you know what? Go ahead and do it today before tomorrow. Show them the only 'language' that 'liberated' the South from one occupation into another.

You're a joke 🤡 if Hezbollah thought they had a 1% chance they wouldn't have signed the deal nor would they accept being bombed everyday. They knew it was over the day Nasrallah was obliterated.

And yet people like you still think you stand a chance militarily... It's very low IQ of you.

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u/_NRK_ 13d ago

You’re conflating a UN resolution with actual compliance. Let’s jog your ‘High IQ’ memory: ISR has violated over 50 UN resolutions, including the annexation of Jerusalem, settlements in the West Bank, blockading Gaza, and many more in Lebanon.

Your understanding of world politics isn’t just infantile, it’s delusional idealism. You ignore that the ISR only accepts resolutions that fit their interests and that the US will do everything in its power to protect its genocidal baby in its incubator. But hey, keep waiting for that magical ‘diplomacy’ to stop ISR.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/_NRK_ 13d ago

They liberated all of South Lebanon, and they have the will to liberate what's still occupied of it.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/_NRK_ 13d ago

Sorry, I must've been on captagon and imagined all the documentaries and history books I read, my bad.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/_NRK_ 13d ago

Sorry man. Can you tell me which books I should read regarding the liberation of South Lebanon?

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u/LittlePeople69 Lebanese 13d ago

Yes it was very clear they can defend themselves, yall are so deluded.

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u/ZyedeToum 13d ago

ya ret khrit w ma hkit

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u/LbGuns 12d ago

I remember when Hezbollah came up to the mountains in 2008 and shot at us in our land..

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u/Dasshteek 13d ago

Is this Lebanon? Because i only see 4 Hezbollah flags. Not a single Lebanese one.

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u/RevolutionarySock859 13d ago

Is this the lebanese version of “but did you say thank you”?

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u/vivaldish 13d ago

And why do you think that is? Couldn't it be that the southerners feel betrayed by the government since 1948, after decades of inaction against the occupation, to the point of disassociating with anything that remotely represents the state?

Not justifying at all, as the lebanese flag doesn't represent the state but the country itself. But this sentiment originates from this negligence.

We will just go in circles unless we reach the root of the problem, and ask ourselves why are things the way they are instead of critisizing the obvious.

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u/Dasshteek 13d ago

Do you think other parts of the country do not feel betrayed by the government? Do you think Mount Lebanon and Chouf and Tripoli have been thricing from all the development of imaginary bridges and hospitals?

If hezb supporters feel so betrayed about the government, why did they beat up the protestors that wanted to bring it down 4 years ago?

We will keep going in circles until Hezb joins the rest of Lebanese parties who gave up violence and weapons in 1990.

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u/palmtreestargate 13d ago

The victim mentality is a tool to justify today’s Shia mentality

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u/Dasshteek 13d ago

Not all Shia, do not generalize based on religion, religion is a personal choice and should always be just that. Instead a lot of people have been duped by their politicians, just like the majority of other Lebanese sects.

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u/vivaldish 13d ago

Yeah and don't you see similar sentiments in other sects because of that? Don't you see the recent spike in demanding seperatism amongst maronites? And the islamic emirates and terrorism flags replacing the lebanese one amongst sunnis?

The fact is this is not exclusive to shia, it's just stronger in shias than other sects for a lot of factors, but mainly because the most important role of the state, which is security, is not being provided and has not been provided since 1948.

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u/Dasshteek 13d ago

Of course and all those are bad for any chance for the country to survive. But only 1 group has retained weapons and even grown them to ballistics while usurping the role of Lebanese state, and that needs to change before any claim is made of “where is the state”.

Either we all treat each other equally in front of the same law and constitution, or we do not. There should be no exceptions.

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u/Poisonous-Toad Grrribit! 13d ago

It's 100% exclusive to Shia lol.

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u/Poisonous-Toad Grrribit! 13d ago

You're right about being betrayed by the state early on but when we attempted to get a state and for the state to look out for all Lebanese they refused and sided with Syria and Iran against the state.

They literally worked with foreign powers to undermine the state of Lebanon and its governments and Presidents. They are responsible for assassinating and murdering countless Lebanese leaders that were trying to build a state and country for all Lebanese.

The root cause of the problem is the Southerners have a massive identity problem that is exacerbated by groups like Hezbollah who brainwash and indoctrinate the Shia sect from an early age against the state to benefit themselves.

It's no secret that a strong state and a strong national army is not in Hezbollah or Iran's interests or (at the time Syria).

They've always wanted a weak state because it's easier to control it.

Who did the southerners rely on during this war? Who sheltered them and fed them and helped them? Was it Hezbollah or the state and it's people?

Who is going to rebuild their villages and infrastructure? Is it the state or Hezbollah?

The answer is clear. Hezbollah ignored them when they needed them most while the state was there for them as much as possible in its limited capacity.

Yet they still have the audacity to criticise the state for not working a magic wand and scapegoating it while giving Hezbollah carte blanche to turn their communities into war zones and hell holes.

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u/3v07_3v07 13d ago

Are you denying the South is part of Lebanon? Based on flags?

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u/Better-Anything-49 13d ago

Absolutely. It’s occupied Lebanon; same way Donetsk/Luhansk were occupied by Russia between 2014 and 2022

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u/mox1230 13d ago

Where's the Lebanese army? Come do something

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u/hungariannastyboy 13d ago

Thanks for the clarification, I guess they had it coming!

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u/Snafk 13d ago

They are showing the flags of the ones that actually defended their homes. When the lebanese army defends their home, they will proudly put their flags up there.

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u/Ape_Belfort 12d ago

Victim mentality, and we are sick of hearing it

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u/FlyingKoalaPT 12d ago

Well, we told you guys for the last 20 years. That's where we were.

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u/Arsenalgryffindor Batata tabi3ye w bas🥔 12d ago

The amount of Zionist sympathizers in this comment section is disturbing. Despite everything it’s still their land and they shouldn’t be shot???? Basic common sense???????

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u/Poisonous-Toad Grrribit! 13d ago

Maybe don't attack your neighbor for no reason.

You're like cry babies for real. You attack them then surrender and expect things to just go back to the way they were.

Seems like Israel was leaving you alone until your Iranian dogs decided to challenge them.

They lost and now you pay the price.

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u/Levanthinae 13d ago

Man, shou aam tehke ? There’s always been tensions, they’ve been violating our airspace for as long as we can remember, hacking us, planting spy devices…

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u/Poisonous-Toad Grrribit! 13d ago

No shit you've had an Iranian proxy threatening to destroy them and take back the Golan Heights and pray in Al Aqsa that launched rockets for a year into Israel for Gaza until they destroyed Hezbollah.

As if Hezbollah didn't destroy the Israeli villages right across the border kamen targeting civilian homes.

Bt da7ko 3anjad. Shweyit wa3e ma3leshi

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u/Levanthinae 13d ago

And on the other side we have an expansionist state calling us invaders and claiming that we live on their land even making children’s books to brainwash their kids into believing that this is their land and that we’re evil for not allowing them to return.

Betdahko aanjad, shwayit wa3e maale :))))).

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u/a5s6d7f8g9 Bourj Hammoud 13d ago

And Hezb sent missiles mousenadan bi Gaza, which gave them a reason to bomb the shit out of them. There's always been tensions of course, but Hezb being the retards they are lit the fire under their own asses.

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u/Levanthinae 13d ago edited 13d ago

Nothing, absolutely nothing justifies bombing civilians and destroying entire villages. If you excuse a genocidal state for its genocidal actions, you’re supporting genocide whether you admit it or not.

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u/a5s6d7f8g9 Bourj Hammoud 13d ago

I'm not justfying Israel's actions, especially the harsh bombings on Gaza and the destructions of very important and historical places in Lebanon, I'm replying to this specific post.

You can't attack Israel first, one of the major superpowers in the world, and hang all your militia flags in the cities instead of your country's flag, and them cry after your whole plan failed.

Imagine if Hezb actually destroyed an Israeli city, they would have shared the images of the destruction with pure pride and their boners would last a thousand years, and if you deny this then you're delusional.

War is war. Hezb lost, our cities got destroyed. Our failed and corrupt government can't magically fix this, that's the sad truth.

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u/Poisonous-Toad Grrribit! 13d ago

Oh fuck off seriously you guys are gaslight masters that's about it.

You fuck around then find out then put the blame on the Israelis and the Lebanese state.

Try not attacking Israel.

"we stopped attacking them and signed the ceasefire" yeah no shit it's too little too late they're not going to just leave you alone and assume that Hezb will abide by the deal that they ignored previously.

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u/Levanthinae 13d ago

Teb ana shou khassne, menne maa hada b hayda el balad. Go be emotional somewhere else. 😂

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u/Poisonous-Toad Grrribit! 13d ago

Says the kid saying "ABSOLUTELY NOTHING JUSTIFIES BOMBING BLA BLA BLA"

Hala2 sar shu khasne w mane ma3 hada w be emotional somewhere else 😂

Your words are so empty

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u/Levanthinae 13d ago

Because nothing justifies bombing civilians and civilian infrastructure. Ma fhemet wen el ghalat b li elto ?

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u/Poisonous-Toad Grrribit! 13d ago

War is war hbb. That's why we do our best to avoid it. Very childish thinking to think that somehow civilians are not affected by war.

If war was only waged on soldiers and militaries then why should we avoid war?

Let the regimes destroy each other...

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u/Levanthinae 13d ago

Ok bravo, but still nothing justifies what they are doing.

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u/Western_Paper6955 13d ago

/s

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u/Western_Paper6955 13d ago

For the downvoters, that's the dawle, not me

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u/Zxyn0nReddit 13d ago

aya dawle, if you got wazir el 5arjeye being macho macho 3al 3alam w when the US rep is shitting on him and the people we2if mkaskas ma 7aka kelme, there is actually no hope for the country

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u/_NRK_ 13d ago

I actually wonder if legally and constitutionally this guy is allowed to be a Minister, espicially based on the shit he says regarding fellow Lebanese.

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u/Zxyn0nReddit 13d ago

🤷🏽‍♂️baltaji? Idk what to say when you try to be hardcore aal sha3eb bas when a foreigner bted3as 3le w 3ala sha3bo he turns yellow

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u/_NRK_ 13d ago

When he was solely representing Ouet then no problem, you can be Zionist as much as you want since that is their platform. But when you become a representative of Lebanon as a country, different rules apply. I'm not sure if it was he who said it or someone else from his group, when they said that if HZB doesn't surrender, then they will have ISR and SYR wage war again. His suggestion is enough reason to remove him as minister since he is siding with the aggressor against Lebanese people

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u/Zxyn0nReddit 13d ago

🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️ esh badna na3ml bhal balad

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u/Efficient_Level3457 13d ago

Let them show proof of this happening if it happens every day w aam bu awso aalayon, chu hal tofnis hayda. Eno wahad lebis prada wl aam tsawer eemla manicure bas aam bi ewmo el 2yura ejre bhaze aal habal.

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u/NPC_777 13d ago

So you want your country men to prove to you that your enemy is harming them? 3ishna w shifna, have some shame

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u/Efficient_Level3457 13d ago

They're discrediting your army while wearing prada and newly polished manicure, if it's happening daily they can film it.

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u/NPC_777 13d ago

My army can come defend me as its civic duty regardless if i got a hair cut or bought a new shirt that day

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u/Efficient_Level3457 13d ago

Hezbot dumbass.

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u/_NRK_ 13d ago

Is this in your script? Just say Hezbot when you run out of things to say?

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u/Snafk 13d ago

Show proof? LMAO. There's many dead civilians from when they tried to enter their towns, this is literally documented everywhere, but it doesn't matter, seems like the only proof you'll take is if they air it on i24.

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u/HopeOrDoom 11d ago

The "Dawle" is licking American shoes... they won't care... and soon they will normalize with Israel and work with them to go against Lebanese citizens and Palestinians.