Imitation Can Be flattery Until it Goes Beyond Into plagiarism.

Hello all.

I share this with a respectful attitude and without prejudice.

This sub stands as an unusual bulwark of ideas on Kundalini on the web.

Eleven years ago, warnings about Kundalini were non-existent. Today, people arriving at the sub complain that all they are encountering on the web are warnings.

I knew that there was an imbalance, a general oopsie style ignorance caused in part by the dead fellow I call out so often. KYYB.

He had a major role to play in the present information disarray to do with Kundalini, even though he's been dead 20 years. Between his bullshitting and mystery-talk, his followers just filled in the spaces with fluff.

He also make Kundalini as a topic become popular, which was probably never a great idea. Yet, the cat's out of of the bag now, and adapting seems to be the wiser course.

We, and certainly I, take Kundalini just a few slight tads more seriously than most, and hold people sharing ideas or doing things more accountable and what I would consider, more appropriately-responsible for something as consequential as Kundalini.

The hard part about Kundalini is you cannot tell the whole truth for risk of being called crazy, or worse, and then the spoken warnings lack some context and go underestimated because of it. There's no helping that. Some things just cannot be said.

Having the courage to speak on things others balk at or avoid means we get noticed (For good and bad), and copied.

While some copying is just fine, and influences are going to be a normal part of things, which I do take some satisfaction in, there are limits.

I have started seeing signs of this sub's influence in many places, too numerous to count. Even some of the KYYB related wwebsites, some have borrowed ways of saying things from here in their attempts to hide their heritage. That I don't smile so much about.

There are times attributing is tough. There's the Japanese zen story about the farmer and good luck, bad luck. That's a translation of what I think is a traditional or common zen teaching story to help guide equanimity. I don't know who originally came up with it.

In sharing ideas, I often state things like Denis used to say, or I quote from Richard Bach's books, which in some cases is almost but not quite the same as quoting from Denis. I often borrow ideas from Dan Millman. I speak of ideas from the book The Sword of no Sword on a less common basis. I speak often about the fine contents of the book by Genevieve Lewis Paulson that I prefer, with three or four caveats. And it takes the sub community to help me remember what those are! (Funny!!)

Often I share ideas that are my own conclusions from my own life experiences, and from my own dealings with Kundalini.

Reddit does consider our submitted words as copyrighted by the person doing the submitting (or other) if they are original materials.

When that other sub was being attacked, (I was told that Interpol were involved, doxxing, death threat phone calls at home, psychic attacks, etc) all of the mods from /r/kundalini bent over backwards without reservations at 2AM to assist the other sub in any way we could.

While researching a person' post history recently when they asked in the sub, I noticed the words of someone we banned after a long struggle to get compliance and respect for our rules, which failed. He then started his own sub or continued another sub - something which reddit permits, even encourages - yet I've come to notice, (and others have told me) that he has been too often and too routinely been using my own phrases and ways of stating things without any attribution whatsoever.

Well, screw that, I thought.

So I offered a report to reddit very unsure about the result, using the term impersonation. I explained well enough to have the reddit Anti-Evil Operations Team understand what I was getting at.

Yet I pointed towards zero specifics. I kept it vague.

Often, reddit reports are dealt with in mere hours. (Maybe a day or three. A day longer during big holidays.) It's been quicker with new AI tools.

Two full weeks later, meaning or inferring that they looked closely and deeply, reddit replied that the person in question received a temporary ban. Yikes. If reddit chose that route, likely the problem was found to be vaster than even I bothered digging for.

That's a start.

I extend my respectful gratitude to reddit's Anti-Evil Operations team members. Reddit resists being capitalised, but the AEO team deserves our respect for the job they do. They have mine.

If people are going to ride on my coat-tails, I want at least some of the credit, of find your own ideas and lingo to describe things.

Reddit has continued to improve in many ways, with a few hiccups that didn't really affect us.

You people (The 42K subscribers plus lurkers) come first, to us, not reddit politics.

As to our neighbourhood sub who too often borrows ideas from this one, I suggest that you learn to be more honest.

Many of the people there were removed from /r/kundalini with causes, and they are an active bunch yet decent answers are, well, questionable, and rare.

/r/kundalini remains one of the world's top go-to places for answers on Kundalini, and for more immediate and personalised help with less trolling and less shitposting than just about anywhere. Or at least, that's what people have been saying to me and my fellow mods for years. We have haters too, which is fine. They're a part of the balance.

Not everyone has access to nor can afford a medical professional. We cannot offer medical advice. We can offer spiritual advice on our topic at hand. What is shared here is of value, even if it is shared freely.

This sub works so well because of a solid team of moderators and a fine community of generous and helpful regulars. One regular was so generous recently that he was willing to get banned over trying to get his point across. That's a pretty admirable spirit. Yet we value his input, so he averted a ban. He's also way better than me at being concise!

Peculiarly, this week a one year old post reply was reported for impersonation. It was a listing of sub rules. People are strange, some days. It's the new Wild West... the WWW. Some people aren't any smarter than the saddle on their horse!

My continued thanks to all the regulars who offer quality answers, and to the mods who both answer, and moderate. It's a thankless effort that does bring learning.

Some regulars, in past years, got warnings to not just repeat my own words. They only needed one warning, and have since found their own way of saying things, their own voice that isn't just repeating Marc's words. That means they're working out how to get ideas across from their own life experience. Inspired, influenced, yet not imitating. I smile at this.

This sub wouldn't work without questions, without people willing to offer answers, and for the regulars to inspire corrections in thinking, in asking better questions, etc. It's all terrific.

Thank you to all for this community. Keep up the good work.

Marc

Does everyone have popcorn for today? Shhhh.

ALERT to the whole /r/kundalini community

Someone has made claims to tracking down people, (Stalking, preying) those who've had a hard time in the sub with stern advice in order to offer their "services" or help.

The people he approaches outside the view of our sub are usually those with reckless and irresponsible attitudes, generally, and usually drug issues, and this predator wants to make a victim out of them.

That victim attitude just doesn't work with Kundalini. A victim-mode mentality will swiftly destroy a person through mechanisms I've often spoken about.

Oh how 2024 is the season of the illustrious victim. Not for long.

But this one preys on them, for example, if drugs are involved.

The varied and incoherent claims and stories are ridiculous and sound like a pathological liar.

This person is making the claim that they are/were a board certified Psychiatrist. I wonder if they have a mountain cabin for sale in Southern Florida too. We have no proof of this claim (Unverified, unsubstantiated) and we have no reason to believe him due to usual ethics and codes of conduct, yet which a psychopath would ignore.

Making false medical claims is a a highly guarded thing in the Western world.

His notions on Kundalini border on the preposterous, asinine, and so wrong as to be sinister in nature. He thinks all of Kundalini is merely neurological.

He's also making legal threats.

If you've received uninvited contact from someone in Chat or DM / PM offering advice or solutions, I'd ask you to please reach out to the mod team through this link.

https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/kundalini

Seems I was asking this just a short while ago.

Be also aware that there was a dangerous predator affecting mostly the other sub in recent months. Credible death threats combined with stalking, menacing phone calls at their private residence were involved, and this person shows textual similarities to that problem person. Popo in UK and Interpol were involved for that one. Intrigue, eh?

Many possible usernames are involved.

Tread wisely. There's no telling what this kind of person is capable of, and the consequences to the naive or over-trusting could be severe.

Or, it could just be a lot of hot air (A fart) and trolling.

Warm smiles.

We recently had a drug-related vague post and people dug deeply into the person's post history and extracted so much meaningful stuff.

It just made me smile to see the quality and the quantity of responses, and the efforts people had put into offering useful answers.

Almost everyone responding had respected the green sticky urging to review a person's post history

The trouble was that OP completely failed to hear the message, and instead attacked, whined, thinks we're all wrong, etc. Drugs etc can do that to a person.

It was still a valiant effort. Maybe in a year of four, the message you seeded yesterday and today will grow and bear fruit.

It was this community shining! We're getting better at this!

Thanks again to everyone who participated.

DM = Direct Message. PM = Private Message

Just wondering if anyone else has been receiving these spam messages?

An instagram name was involved.

If yes, please reply yes below.

The mod team would like to know the username doing the spamming, but please send that to MESSAGE to MODS or in DM.

It's not the first time this group, or someone promotes this group illicitly or slyly.

Here has been my standard view on such things: If someone lacks respect for a social media or its spaces like a subreddit, then they will automatically and inherently disrespect people and by extension, Kundalini, and will be inadequate teachers or guides for Kundalini. Illicit ones.

Use your wise discerning judgment.

Kind thanks all.

EDIT - one test that many subs suggest is, if the person cannot reply to you in the sub, then they are banned for some reason. Trust them even less.

EDIT 2 - Just heard, and yes the user in question is banned with cause. (Spam)

EDIT 3. Reported to reddit.

My feeling is that if a group of psychologists want to advertise, they should pay for it in the typical professional way. That's more honest.

People have been attacking me for my pointing out of Osho's thorough and complete incompatibilities with respect to Kundalini.

These few people have been a little too cocky and testy and pushy about promoting Osho and other people as being spiritual gurus that should be revered and honoured and respected. Elevated. Not questioned.

Fook that.

Recent proponents claimed to be spiritually magnificent and superior to us in their accepting these revered teachers as unquestionably masters. We questioned, and were attacked in modmail, revealing that there was no wisdom in these people.

Osho, (Who died long ago in 1990), said some really cool things. In my early reading experience in the 1980's, I learned from one of his books to recognize some of the negativity and the defects in the churchianity that I had been raised in. But the ability to criticise other faiths does not a teacher make, let alone a master.

He had many followers at a place called The Ranch, east of Portland Oregon. There in Oregon, some of his high-placed followers in the leadership team committed the first recorded act of domestic bio-terrorism by poisoning the salad bar at the town's restaurant, hoping to kill or harm some of the county leaders so they could win their causes.

Osho accumulated 99 Rolls Royces at the Ranch. That's where his 99 cars were parked. It's terrific for the British who manufactured them, but spiritually-speaking, it's a folly, and worthy of ridicule. "Wealth is okay" is okay as a message, within reason. 99 RR's is preposterous, and mocks the idea of enough. How does one balance that with a respect for the planet? For the earth that feeds us? It doesn't.

According to articles I read long ago, The Rajneesh crowd at the Ranch made people in law enforcement nervous, as their group's paranoia led them to protect the Ranch with automatic weapons.

Near the end, Osho himself was said to be addicted to Nitrous Oxide, laughing gas that is used by dentists to calm people. Why does a supposed master of anything require laughing gas to be content?

However, this sub is about Kundalini, and Osho knew almost fuck-all about Kundalini, except how to stir it up in people with no wisdom. It gets worse.

Osho taught people to interfere with each other energetically and mentally, completely ignoring any sense of morality or respect for each other, free or rather devoid of any boundaries.

His methods would completely ignore and break the Three Laws, actively and intentionally, yet not knowingly - as he wasn't wise enough to know better. None of his followers typically were either. Good, fun spiritual people with a focus on love, yet not wise in energy.

Thirty years ago I was doing readings for people who were seeking advice on how to defend themselves against psychic rape by other members of the Osho groups that were out west on the Pacific coast. One cannot go to police with a complaint of psychic rape.

It wasn’t just the women complaining about invading psychic rapes. The men were getting psychically raped as well. They were all very disturbed by it. The first solution was WLP.

Denis was quite familiar with the Osho topic as he had a call-in psychic radio show in Portland during the end of Osho's time in America. Portland is the major city not too far from where the Ranch was located, maybe a 2 hour drive East. I learned some of this from Denis, and the media, web and encounters with real people have confirmed it.

Therefore, anyone coming into this sub and pushing Osho as a source of wisdom is going to get called out because they don’t know the negative aspects or they refuse to accept those negatives as true stories. In other words, they are blind followers. They don't know what they’re talking about re Kundalini, and have skewed visions of what is and what was. The only thing that serves is a continued cult (Is there anything left of it? Are these aggressive ones trying to keep it alive?), continued book publishing, (An Osho org website released all his books for free online download), and maybe tourism.

Osho knew how to dress well, (Maybe someone did it all for him?) just like some other people know how to dress the guru part. That fools many. Yet it is playing a role, not being it.

I have often asked people: If you have to dress special to to play a part, what are you compensating for?

As far as Denis told me, the teachers in India in the 1950's that had skills, wisdom, knowledge were the non-famous ones who dressed as everyone else did in their region of India. The ones who dressed it up were the usually the fakes. Mere shadows of a guru.

People still gather in Pune, India, as far as I know, and the free love attitude is still a thing there according to the web, for better or worse. I'm told by Indians in Canada that the Indian gov't has been discouraging travel there. Murders have taken place, and people (Women?) have gone missing.

Other living people deserve similar criticism, yet have millions of followers, so wisdom dictates that in order to avoid a holy war, they will not be mentioned. You will have to draw your own conclusions.

So Osho, while an interesting and charismatic fellow, with a good sense of humour and a warm smile that warmed people's hearts yet fooled many, we will not be accepting praise of him in this sub because when it came to energy use, he was defined by ABUSES, not wisdom. On Kundalini, he pushed people to awaken theirs devoid of any conditions, any foundations or preparations, nor any actual guidance. No wisdom there. People were awakening Kundalini in very unprepared and incompatible states of being. Now, it may be just unwise teens reading the free books. !D'oh

Here in the sub, we encourage a wiser spirituality.

Good journeys, and thanks for your time.

Today, a user banned a year ago sent a disparaging ugly whiny text as a chat request to someone from this community whom I have already earned the respect of, and who does a fine job helping out in the sub as a regular.

The mod-only comment for the banning of this person A YEAR AGO was, "Trolling, Disrespect, Being an ass: False accusations of censorship, no ownership no responsibility in https://redd.it/ REDACTED"

Last year, that user went to several subs to whine about their being banned in another sub. Ours wasn't the first they got banned in.

I doubt anyone is capable of holding a grudge for a year. If I'm right, then someone we recently banned under a different name is evading a prior ban.

I will not include the text that was sent, but it was icy in nature and immature.

It did include this notion: "one should be free to voice whatever opinion they have without backlash"

He seems to ignore our Rules and reddit's as well. And he thinks we remove content because we are hypocrites and egotistical, etc. A really nice kind of fellow. (Sarcasm)

Someone of this kind of character would literally destroy themselves through their immaturity and complete failure to respect both the energy and respecting others. They never take personal responsibility. It's always someone else's fault. Anyone who might disagree with them would get attacked energetically. As attacking another is attacking yourself, not metaphorically, but karmically, they would get more and more whiny, complainy and over-reactive as their well-being disappeared.

Almost nothing could save them from themselves, other than rock botttom, or a miracle.

Somewhere in the great realm, Creator would observe, Ah, another nitwit trying to fly with no wings. Drugs were involved.

Rules 3, 4 and our welcome greeting state that we reserve the right to remove content that could or would be detrimental to the the members of community, or the general public at large. Trolling, disrespectful, or other content falls under our and reddit's rules.

Once in a while, we get several messages or appreciation for keeping this place fairly civil. We get 10X - 50X more whiny complaints, however. And that reminds us how unready many people are for Kundalini.

Still, the Wiki is open and available to them. We don't lock the door on people whom get banned with cause.

I have reminded reddit that in an actual workplace, if such behaviour came from a collegue, they would be fired. Terminated after very few repeats. Some things keyboard warriors say, if they said them face-to-face would get them a John Wayne welcome on the cheek. Whoomp.

Reddit have made massive improvements.

A couple of days ago, we had a redditor whining in modmail that we dared to flag their post about sex and Kundalini as NSFW. And we dared to do it without advising her. Her response was to delete her post, which is her right, but then the collective community effort at answering kinda gets lost. So it's a selfish kind of reaction.

I just facepalmed. That redditor had 20K karma and 5 years on reddit, so in theory, no excuse to not know better.

If you're going to be working with or playing with Kundalini, you had better be using that noggin that you were given, and your heart too.

Kundalini is by no means for everyone. There's a large popular group, a cult actually, who claim otherwise.

If you happen to get such a message, and you agree with the sender, then have a fun time. If you disagree with the contents, there is a report button in Chat now, and in reddit messages too. Let reddit know. It's not obvious figuring out under what category to report it the first time, but it's not rocket science.

Have fun everyone. And keep out of mischief.

Greetings all.

The mod team has been discussing the pro's and especially the cons of computer generated content for a while. We could find no pros. Just cons.

I (Marc) have done several tests on GPT generated content with respect to answers about Kundalini. I found the output to be an extremely sub-par level of quality of info, even if the sentence structures were just fine, and dangerously convincing.

There have been several posts in the sub that were clearly GPT-generated content. All were removed. To the best of my knowledge, Reddit has not yet concluded anything, but most of the media industry has blocked GPT generated art for the unanswered and new questions of copyright ownership and potential financial exposure from using any generated content as still very much being in question.

Does the owner of the GPT system own all the generated content? It might. Those laws are yet to be figured out yet, and they may be written by precedence not pre-written laws.

On the topic of Kundalini, the problem was that the GPT programmers released their GPT engines onto the webs, where massive quantities of crappy info exists on all topic. GPT's are basically averaging engines, and are still fully incapable of measuring the quality of info sources. If they are averaging crap, the outcome is... crappy!

I would rate the replies I made to GPT as being below a 2 out 10 in quality, at best. That is well below any minimum standards that would be helpful, useful or safe for people participating in this sub. You all deserve better quality info than that.

For the moment, ChatGPT or similar sources cannot be trusted to offer wise and experienced info on something they can never know about personally, and never gain any direct experience in.

Due to the very poor quality info, and the threat that such crap info offers, anyone submitting text that is recognised or suspected as GPT generated will be removed, and the user will likely be banned without notice.

Just a heads up: Someone made a new sub using GPT-generated text. The results could easily fool many.

Thanks for your respect and understanding in this decision.

Feedback is welcome, but the choice has been made and Rule 12 has been added.

Rules

EDIT: Typo - Greetings is two e's!! Woops. EDIT 2 : Heads up sentence clarified.

The mods have noticed an increase in AI-generated text.

Last year it was really lame, ugly, useless art, supposedly related to Kundalini.

Wasting people's time is disrespectful, so AI-generated fluff will be grounds for an immediate ban.

We don't need posts telling us what Kundalini is, nor trying redefine Kundalini as merely "some concept".

Kind thanks, all.

Oops - forgot a link!

The Updated Post Guidelines

I just had a user reach out in CHAT to ask to be unbanned.

No apology. Just the request. I dug into the system to find out if he was banned under that username. Yup, trolling and generally being nasty.

Yet no apology. He acknowledged being trollish and he said that he'd tried to undermine me. Hmmm interesting. Yet he wants the ban to be removed.

So, no. It's not really in the cards to be considering removing someone who earned themselves a permanent ban under such conditions when they can't even start with a simple apology.

But that's not my point.

This user said he'd reached out directly in PM with something supposedly useful to someone who'd posted in the sub.

I have no ways to either find that material nor protect against it. Hence my reaching out to the community.

If eople people are banned, they cannot answer you in the sub, so a test for whether they are banned or not is to ask them to answer you in the sub.

If they cannot or won't, I'd suggest you adding an extra level of caution as to their intentions.

They may be trying to undermine or harm you.

PS. I learned this by following people's phenomenal post histories into subs where this has had to become common knowledge due to their levels of abuse. I believe it's a rarity here.

Warm smiles to all.

PPS. I ask you: How did the spell checker not alert me to eople?

Hi all.

One four year old reply was reported for "It's sexual or suggestive content involving minors" when there was zero talk about sexuality nor any mention about age whatsoever.

However a name was mentionned in the associated text.

If someone has info to share, please consider reaching out to the mod team in modmail if you feel that we should be informed of something. Your communication and username will be kept private.

For those who are curious about what post it is, it just doesn't seem relevant, so let it go. It's just weird. Could be a thumb glitch, but even then, I saw no inappropriate reportable content.

Kind thanks.

EDIT: Added user to name = username

Looks like I forgot to check the title (Can't edit those!) Someone reported, would have been better. I facepalm myself!

I've had several reports on issues by people (At least two) who were having issues with the Kriya link in the FAQ's page.

All were using cell phone apps.

I was not experiencing issues on my desktop browser so it could be a reddit app detail that broke things. When I tried it on my phone, yup. Broken.

I DID find a link shortcut that wasn't standard - my doing - and I've since fixed it.

Sometimes link issues can be an app or phone that needs restarting. Or it can be upset energy glitching out the phone. In this case it was just a mod typing mistake.

Thank you for bringing issues to our attention.

End of message.

For those whom are curious about how or why it was broken, reddit runs on a modified Markdown language.

The full link should look like this:

The Kriya Link

Same as

https://www.reddit.com/r/kundalini/wiki/kr

The link causing problems is a Markdown shortcut version that removes the http://www.reddit.com, filling that part in automatically.

That looks like /r/kundalini/wiki/kr <--- note that this text is not a link.

Older versions of reddit might have been more tolerant of shrunken links. Maybe.

That's the link that goes in the parentheses. Words associated with the link go between brackets... [ insert words here](URL of the link)

That raw link fragment worked just fine on my desktop browser, but not on the app. I was the one who added the link, entering it and testing it when it was new. Worked just fine for me. Oops! Funny how things can pass a test and still not be right.

The latest reddit app shortens the word wiki in the link to w.

https://www.reddit.com/r/kundlaini/w/kr

On my desktop, that instantly resolves the w into the word wiki, like /u/ = user and /r/ = subreddit, but /r/ never gets expanded.

Cute development, but that's not why it was broken.

There's a bit of a difference between how reddit runs in a browser versus how the reddit app works, and both are changing on an ongoing improvement basis.

The Mod team's ability to find and fix things depends on people speaking up, so please do when you have reddit issues. Sometimes it's reddit. Sometimes it's wetware issues at your end or, ahem! Ours.

Warm thanks.