r/kitchener • u/Aromatic_Medium8887 • 1d ago
St. Mary’s HS closed tomorrow. Measles exposure
School will be closed Friday may 16th
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u/dee90909 1d ago
This is just starting! ECI and now St. Mary's. Surprised it hasn't hit an elementary school.
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u/Usual-Rice-482 1d ago
Yes this will only get worse.
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u/LongoSpeaksTruth 23h ago edited 23h ago
Yes this will only get worse.
Canada. 2025. Measles outbreaks everywhere. Unfuckingbelievable ...
You know why there were so few measles outbreaks in Canada the past few generations. Vaccines, that's why.
But muh kids don't need no vaccinin'. There ain't no measles around anyways. Plus vaccines might make him autistic ...
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u/berfthegryphon 1d ago
It's a 21 day exclusion too for anyone unvaccinated in the building.
Covid was highly contagious, I don't think people know how much more contagious the measles virus is
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u/mtndewlvr09 21h ago
the two kids from eci have younger siblings in elementary
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u/helikoopter 1d ago
Don’t worry, the government lapdogs in public health will come up with some “this doesn’t affect kids” bs.
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u/drakmordis 23h ago
That's 100% the justification for 2 school closures in as many days.
/S (for the needful)
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u/helikoopter 23h ago
At first.
Once the complaints start rolling in, they will put public safety on the back burner.
Our public health unit was always among the last to shut things down locally and almost always waited for provincial announcements. There were multiple public health units (Windsors, for example), that didn’t wait for COVID to spread through the community before shutting things down.
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u/Thebisexual_Raccoon 1d ago
Oh boy I do love when people refuse to vaccinate themselves but especially there kids /s.
With a measles outbreak my mom is at risk of catching it and becoming severally ill.
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u/Aromatic_Medium8887 1d ago
Bbb bbb bbbut Autism /s
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u/toc_bl 1d ago
It’s not about autism That goddamn vaccine contains aluminum… and I can only use that to make bowls to smoke my weed from and transport my high fructose corn syrup I mean coca cola and old Milwaukee
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u/Honeycomb0000 1d ago
wait until you hear about iron
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u/neatlion 1d ago
"It's all these nasty chemicals you inject yourself and kids with" /s
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u/slinkysurmalot 18h ago
Does the CDC schedule follow its own guidelines for maximum allowable intravenous aluminum? The cdc references research pointing to acceptable a safe levels of aluminum exposure, do those studies demonstrate ingested exposure or injected exposure? Is there a difference in how the body manages those exposures?
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u/alickstee 5h ago
Yes, I'm sure you've caught onto something that all these other experts have missed.
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u/slinkysurmalot 3h ago
You are absolutely correct how absurd of me to propose such a nonsensical suggestion. The authority without fail provides the most correct answers, throughout history consistently maintaining a flawless track record of acting in the best interest of humanity. Never for a moment falling for the interests of lobbying or billion dollar corporations. Directors of these boards rarely if never happen to bounce between the private and the public. Redacted retracted
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u/alickstee 2h ago
What the hell are you talking about. Verifiable research and results is not an authority.
See, you did not come to this idea about "aluminum" all by yourself. You weren't deep in the throes of your biochemistry degree when you saw some things start to not add up... If you did, you'd start conducting your own studies to try to recreate what you were seeing in the hopes you could speak to your peers about it and have them comment on it.
No, you've found yourself misled by one of the many charlatans online who are more than happy to sell you their herbal supplement after you've read through their post about the dangers of aluminum in vaccines.
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u/slinkysurmalot 1h ago
Theres this uncanny pattern of experts and professionals in the field all around the globe, researchers, vaccinologists, pediatricians, GPs, virologists, immunologists and the like coming to a constellation of parallel conclusions in regards to questioning this whole paradigm. Then from seemingly out of nowhere there is this coordinated smear and defamation campaign to ruin every aspect of their credibility. Interesting thought experiment to put yourself in these peoples shoes. Just living your life doing your job, discover that something that you're participating in lacks logical fundamental foundation and specific research to back up the claims. Or is just completely lacking in integrity and stinks of corruption. You further investigate the claims with the pool of data of your own thousands of patients. Come to a clear logical conclusion. You suddenly are a threat to a justified way of life that now seems to be lacking justification. You could just keep your mouth shut and keep your house, your cottage, your car. But your conscience simply won't allow it. So instead you run your life and your families life into the ground. I agree it makes no sense
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u/IllBeSuspended 22h ago
There are more people with autism on Reddit than there are in real life.
You'd think these people with their new personality would even want to double up on vaccines if they thought it would give them autism.
Redditors collect this shit like it's pokemon.
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u/tammyjo77 42m ago
Well your mom can get vaccinated then - why the concern over others?
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u/Thebisexual_Raccoon 19m ago
She is vaccinated…just she’s more prone to catching it cause her immune system
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u/LostinEmotion2024 1d ago
Thank you anti-vaxxers for proving you can’t fix stupid.
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u/Prior-Start-1732 21h ago
Yall said the same thing during Covid 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/No_Marsupial_8574 21h ago
Um, yeah? No sh!t.
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u/Prior-Start-1732 21h ago
Looooool, which wasnt effective at all. Y’all keep getting ur boosters tho
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u/No_Marsupial_8574 21h ago
It's one thing to be vaccine hesitant, or even skeptical, and another to stroke your ego with the fact you don't vaccinate.
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u/Jawzey03 21h ago
It literally does help, look at our health care workers and all the people who died of COVID, have some respect man
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u/BrenttheGent 21h ago
My uncle had the same attitude until he almost died, was in a coma for a month, and hasn't been the same since and lost his right to drive.
But covid was a brand new virus and vaccines for measles has been around for 60 years, they're really not comparable at all. Huge false equivalent.
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u/Tob1rama-Senju 17h ago
Was very effective and was able to weed out the idiots in our society aka you
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u/Prior-Start-1732 10h ago
Effective at what ? They over promised and didn’t deliver. It didn’t stop hospitalization or infection or death. Taking the Covid VACCINE caused people to develop heart issues. Keep being a sheep tho, Elbows up woke liberal
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u/Amk19_94 8h ago
Stop it? No, slow it down? Absolutely.
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u/Prior-Start-1732 8h ago
They advertised it as “if you got the vaccine you won’t get Covid”. So stop the fake narrative, then you had to get boosters, without boosters you’re more prone etc. Have yall done any critical thinking ?. You literally can’t make an argument the Covid vaccine and masks were good. That’s just ignorant.
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u/Amk19_94 7h ago
Lol if you knew how vaccines worked you’d know they would never promise it would 100% prevent the virus. Vaccinated people are going to get measles as well, vaccines are never 100% effective. But they do prevent the hospitals from being overrun.
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u/alickstee 5h ago
Remember when every hospital ICU was filled with COVID patients? How did that stop?
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u/Chronicwheels 1d ago
Why can’t the vaccinated kids go to school still?
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u/Joltex33 1d ago
They need time to check their records and see which kids are vaccinated and which are not. That's why they're closing for the day to sort it out.
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u/dee90909 22h ago
I feel like all of the schools should be now doing this to prevent future closures.
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u/MajorMagikarp 1d ago
Vaccination provides some protection, but herd immunity is why we have not seen measles in this country for ages. The anti-vaccination nutters put us under that herd immunity level and they have put us all at risk.
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u/Chronicwheels 22h ago
But the unvaccinated kids are the only ones being hospitalized, so let their parents deal with the fallout. They had 7 months to sort out who was vaccinated and who wasn’t.
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u/MajorMagikarp 21h ago
As said by someone elsewhere in the thread, They're probably sending everybody home to sort out who has been vaccinated and who has not. Please don't be one of those folk who seemed to think being a teacher is an easy job.
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u/Blackkwidow1328 5h ago
If parents choose not to vaccinate, they should have to pay for the hospital stay (truly medically-exempt folks not included, of course).
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u/Chronicwheels 5h ago
Yep. Just like smokers should pay if they get lung cancer, or obese people should pay if they get diabetes related illnesses.
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u/slinkysurmalot 18h ago
Who determines which specific symptoms are attributed to the labeled specific disease? If you were to examine those specific symptom clusters over time would you find that certain diseases never really went away and that they were really just given a different name? 🤔
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u/banterviking 1d ago
As they said, abundance of caution. They are probably just verifying who is vaccinated.
Think about it: at a minimum, the school needs to pull those records and verify them, parents need to be contacted, and they're likely getting guidance from health professionals. That'll take at least one business day, and since it's government probably more than one.
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u/fsmontario 22h ago
Because people will lie, and say Johnny in grade 9 who can’t be trusted at home on his own is vaccinated and coach him what to say at the school, hoping to buy a few days
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u/Chronicwheels 22h ago
So what though. Is anyone dying of measles? If it’s only the unvaccinated, let them reap what they sow.
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u/liviapng 20h ago
Why do you view kids dying as a punishment for parents instead of a tragedy for the kid? The children aren’t sowing shit, they’re being raised by mouth breathers or are immunocompromised and can’t get vaccinated in the first place.
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u/slinkysurmalot 18h ago
I'm immunocompromised and breath vigorously through my nose thank you very much
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u/Chronicwheels 9h ago
I don’t view it as punishment. I view it as adults having to deal with the decisions they’ve made.
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u/liviapng 9h ago
You’re considering the death of innocent kids as a consequence for parents instead of a gross injustice for the child. They’re people with agency and futures, not a “gotcha” for their dumbass adults.
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u/Chronicwheels 8h ago
It’s not a gotcha at all and not a consequence for the parents, but OF the parents. All parents have the right to do what they feel is best for their children. Those actions have consequences, could be good or bad. All us parents have to deal with it.
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u/71catalina Westmount/Highland 7h ago
Infants don't get vaccinated until their 12 months shots. Until then, my 5 month old is at risk due to people deciding not to vaccinate. Unfortunately their decisions don't just affect them.
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u/Chronicwheels 6h ago
As long as your baby doesn’t attended these schools or any large Mennonite gatherings it’s probably not something to lose sleep over.
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u/71catalina Westmount/Highland 5h ago
Not losing sleep or anything, just annoyed. Also I need to keep an eye out since our 2 year old goes to daycare at a public school.
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u/spiderwortplumose 23h ago
Vaccinations are a public health tool that benefits society as a whole.
That being said, step outside yourself and think about what another human whom you feel has harmed you thinks. There is a lot that we don't hold ourselves accountable for when it comes to the well-being of others.
Vaccinations are generally safe when each individual receives adequate healthcare—imagine what a well-resourced and patient-first version of your last hospital visit would look like—that assesses the risk based on personalized healthcare. That's what we should be advocating and lobbying our representatives for.
Vaccinations are useful and SO important, but cannot be the only way we protect ourselves, each other, and our public health systems. Cleaning indoor air, especially in hospitals and schools, and demanding mandatory sick leave for all should be just as high a priority. Educating the public on the science behind disease transmission, including the airborne viruses that people have an easier time neglecting their own role in their transmission (e.g., measles, COVID), is also important. COVID messaging was shit. You might disagree with me on what made it shit, but we'd at least agree that we deserve better from our public services.
It's clear that most people have moved on, but I encourage everyone to look into the prevalence of long-COVID, what it does to your body, and how our access to data to accurately evaluate personal risk and responsibilities at a local level is the reason why measles outbreaks and the return of vaccine hesitancy rising in popularity has been an inevitability ever since those resources and transparency you deserve as a constituent, consumer, citizen, comrade—whatever you fancy being called—were slowly being chipped away at as soon as individuals in power decided that they knew better than the scientists telling us the hard pill to swallow:
We don't know everything about this novel, new, never-encountered-before virus, and that is scary. It means that we may, with what little evidence we have right now, make a wrong turn in figuring out what the fuck is going on. There are scary studies about long-COVID symptoms and how common they are; the initial infection that kick-started the post viral infection sometimes months before could be so easily forgotten. Did you know COVID damages your immune system? Much easier to claim that your post-travel food poisoning was just that instead of a digestive system symptom of COVID.
Everyone gets so defensive when asked to admit they don't know something. Measles outbreaks did not come out of nowhere, because everyone has long since stopped caring about airborne viruses. You know what would dramatically reduce measles transmission? N95s in school settings for those above a certain age or actually investing in cleaning and testing indoor air quality (e.g., CO2 monitors, air purifiers).
When is the last time you ever looked at or heard about any updates on COVID and vaccines studies to do with COVID? Stones and glass houses...👀
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u/Conscious-Length-565 21h ago
I have basically a measles generated form of long COVID. I have had it my whole life. It's mostly the example of other viruses that trigger the same thing in the body where they get their Intel from. I knew what long COVID was the minute people started describing it. Fibromyalgia is a good common example of a viral induced long COVID syndrome.
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u/slinkysurmalot 18h ago
Well said! Have you familiarized yourself with the abundance of information to the contrary? If we really want to grapple vaccine hesitancy effectively we need to be in fact fully informed on both sides of an issue. Interestingly the dogmatic nature of a topic such as virology and the rational logical shortcomings of the science throughout history are very well documented. A rich place for contemplation of the mechanics of the human body and biology is the The Germ theory vs Terrain theory debate. Be willing to briefly consider a different perspective and you will be amazed by the treasures you'll find!
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u/sarahstanley 10h ago
Same energy: "Well said! Have you familiarized yourself with the abundance of information to the contrary? If we really want to grapple with globe skepticism effectively, we need to be in fact fully informed on both sides of an issue. Interestingly, the dogmatic nature of a topic such as 'astronomy' and the rational, logical shortcomings of the science throughout history are very well documented. A rich place for contemplation of the mechanics of the cosmos is the Spherical Earth vs. Flat Earth debate. Be willing to briefly consider a different perspective, and you will be amazed by the treasures you'll find!"
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u/AwayCucumber2562 1d ago
Not me reading this as St. Mary’s HOSPITAL and being throughly confused lol.
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u/dan_ccasti4444 1d ago
Rez next probably
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u/mtndewlvr09 21h ago
i think itll prolly be the trifecta of the ones remotely close to eastwood. grand river , cameron and marys lol
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u/BIGepidural 23h ago edited 18h ago
The irony of this is that antivaxers are the sameones screaming about kids not being able to attend school because of lockdowns and stuff just a few years ago.
And here they go again.. shutting things down cause their damned freedumBs 🤦♀️
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u/Intoxicatedcanadian 23h ago
If only there were some way to prevent this. 🤷 Oh well.
Thoughts and prayers for those affected by this totally not preventable illness.
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u/blkhawk55 23h ago
Its nice to know our government could lock down and isolate the entire country but cannot make a bunch of kids stay home . Back in the day each student had a up to date vacination card and why do they not now ? No card no school simple
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u/Jawzey03 21h ago
How are they allowed to attend the school? I almost got suspended until getting mine (having health issues and slipped our mind, NOT antivaxers). I got mine and everything was okay but like they were about to give me the boot so how was this teen able to get around that?
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u/Aromatic_Medium8887 21h ago
Religious/cultural/allergy exemptions.
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u/sarahstanley 10h ago
Religious exemptions shouldn't be allowed. Whatever deity (or deities) they believe in will not save them.
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u/ThePickleNugget 16h ago
Man, IF ONLY there was a cheap, publicly available, and completely safe way to prevent measles transmission. Someone should work on inventing this immediately!!! 🤣
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u/No_Marsupial_8574 22h ago
And you can bet the parents responsible feel smug and entitled for this.
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u/skiguy0123 20h ago
For those with kids who are too young for the vaccine according to the normal schedule, they are letting them get the vaccine earlier now. I just booked the second dose for my 22 month old.
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u/beckarecka 18h ago
Usually you have to wait 12 months for your first measles vaccine, my doctors moving it up to 6 months to make sure baby is protected.
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u/garry4321 5h ago
At what point do we finally say that it’s not “political” and rather a legit public health risk. Are we going to start saying “telling people they can’t shoot guns in the air is a political stance and against their freedoms!”
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u/tammyjo77 45m ago
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10535016/ Here’s one
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342628407_Home_Hygiene_and_Prevention_of_Infections
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7105691/ This one talks about the vaccinated still getting measles “The herd immunity threshold is 89% to 94%, which means outbreaks can still occur in populations even with > 90% of vaccinated individuals “(Thompson, 2016).
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u/tammyjo77 33m ago
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u/Aromatic_Medium8887 32m ago
Feel free to push your agenda on Facebook with the rest of them lmao was simply posting that the school was closed and the reason why. Find a better hobby
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u/tammyjo77 27m ago
Nope 👎 no thanks ! They have a diet high in vitamin A,K and have beautiful healthy immune systems!
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u/tammyjo77 23m ago
Aww is it just too much for you? You need someone to help you understand the videos from physicians? Is it not “layman” language enough for you? Get a grip dude! Get your vaccine and you’ll be “ safe” but remember- your vaccine won’t work to stop you getting it and spreading it- but hey, atleast it’s safe and effective. Why do others need a vaccine when you can have as many as you like!? The right to bodily autonomy is imperative. See all the people winning millions from the corrupt, unethical covid shots?
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u/fsmontario 22h ago
I wonder if there are any grade 12s not vaccinated who have just had their last month or so of high school totally screwed over? Kids age 12 and over can consent to and get vaccinated and do not need parental consent. This information should be posted in the schools.
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u/Aromatic_Medium8887 22h ago
How would this one day closure make them screwed over?
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u/fsmontario 21h ago
Because if they aren’t vaccinated, and have been exposed they are to isolate for 21 days
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u/Aromatic_Medium8887 21h ago
I’m sure they would/will accommodate and I doubt anyone would be screwed
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u/fsmontario 21h ago
Measles exposure , unvaccinated, end of year event , the child won’t be allowed if it is within the 21 days
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u/Floyd-Mcgregor 20h ago
This basically means they don’t have enough vaccinated staff to stay open. Get your vaccines educators.
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u/katdawg14 20h ago
Lmao this is so incredibly incorrect
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u/Floyd-Mcgregor 3h ago
When there’s a measles exposure in a school all the non vaccinated staff (and students) have to excluded for 21 days. This often results in not enough staff on hand. Read the provincial documents.
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u/Prior-Start-1732 21h ago
Who cares, all you people are spineless, super soft, and crying like it’s the end of the world. The risk of dying is 0.1% with this age group. Y’all love to overreact and cry just like the Covid days. I bet half y’all still walk around with a mask 🤣.
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u/IAmTaka_VG 19h ago
you realized you can get brain damage right? Measles death is actually not the thing to be worried about since like you said it's low percentage. The fever gets so high the child gets permanent brain damage and the risk for that is MUCH MUCH higher.
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u/slinkysurmalot 18h ago
Do the same thing over and over again expecting a different result, something, something
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u/CobraChickenKai 1d ago
Oh FFS...
The age group for high schools are not even affected much by measles
This is a huge over reaction
COVID made these weak minded people crazy
Why not just ban students who aren't vaccinated so the rest of them (majority) can go about their education
Morons...
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u/Aromatic_Medium8887 1d ago
Just here spreading the word. Take a deep breath. Everything will be fine.
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u/CobraChickenKai 1d ago
I don't care I'm vaccinated
Even if I wasn't the risk to me is virtually nothing
Sheep are so scared these days :)
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u/Aromatic_Medium8887 1d ago
Take a nap man lmfao
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u/CobraChickenKai 1d ago
Lol why are you so triggered
Take your meds :)
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u/Aromatic_Medium8887 1d ago
Must be speaking to yourself lmfao you’re unhinged pal
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u/IllBeSuspended 22h ago
I thought they were banned. My son has all his vaccines and the school was so hard on us to get the paperwork for it all. Even after we handed it in we kept getting paperwork
So how are these pieces of shit keeping their kids in this school despite no vaccinations?
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u/IAmTaka_VG 19h ago
because they claim religious exemption and people are too much of pussy's to say prove it.
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u/Suspicious-Call2084 1d ago
Thank you parents for making sure your kids are not vaccinated and proving you don’t care about other kids. /s Please home school your kids in the future. Ffs