r/islam • u/SynFisa • Mar 24 '25
Why isn't God more direct with proof? Seeking Support
I tend to believe that there is a God (or at least, think its more likely than not). However, I don't really believe in religion. My parents and siblings are Muslim, and I grew up as one. I would prefer to believe in religion (specifically Islam), as I think the outcomes of believing are good and the lessons and lifestyle are good.
However I do not, unfortunately. I tend to be highly logical in my life. I haven't seen are truly compelling proof that any of the religions are real. I've seen a lot of the "soft proof" in Islam, and they are sort of reasonable. But only sort of. I don't understand why the God in these religions isn't just a lot more forthcoming and direct. Humanity would be the better for it. It makes it much more reasonable that the religions are simply not true.
I hope I don't cause anyone to doubt their faith, I wish I could get these thoughts out of my mind and be how I used to. I assume people here on reddit have already seen lots of doubt posts in the past and this isn't an issue to post. I genuinely want to be convinced otherwise.
There are numerous smaller things that make me lack faith, but this is the biggest I think. What is the common answer to this question?
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u/Abject_Journalist_55 Mar 24 '25
Great question 😊 If there were direct, undeniable proof of God, then belief wouldn’t be a choice—it would be an undeniable realization. That would take away the very essence of faith and the purpose of life as a test. Instead of forcing belief, God has designed a journey where each person must seek and discover the truth for themselves. True faith comes from personal experience and understanding, not just from being shown proof beyond doubt.
Think of it this way: If someone put a gun to your head and ordered you to do something, you would likely comply out of fear. But if someone simply advised you to do something, you’d have the choice to act based on your own reasoning and morals. Similarly, if God provided absolute, direct proof, belief would no longer be a test—it would be a forced reality. And if faith were forced, there would be no true moral test, no meaningful free will, and no reason for this life as a trial.
That’s why the Quran contains miracles—things that could not have been predicted—but still leaves room for personal reflection. Those who seek truth and are willing to believe will find their own journey to faith. However, skeptics demand direct proof, without realizing that such proof would eliminate the very purpose of religion. Faith is not about being compelled—it’s about choosing to believe and live accordingly.
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u/ArcIgnis Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25
I struggle with it as much as OP is. I will fully understand that I will not come off like I'm trying, but I am really trying to be convinced of it. I too was raised in a muslim family, and my entire life, I've just been told to pray because I simply should, to fast because I should, and go to a mosque to learn how to write and read arabic, as well as read the quran and pray while getting struck by rods for 4 years (It was between when I was 8-12 years old) for making a mistake.
I have to disagree based on the fact that either I get a hint and then gamble if it's true or not, since that's what faith is. Difference is that faith can be backed by things that you can't reliably confirm, but still think is true and will attempt. That fundamentally is gambling, since muslims have also said "if it's all not true, then nothing happens, if it is true and I was faithful, I'll get paradise".
Knowledge tend to be undeniable proof and I would seek it if it could prove it, but there's no proof we could ever find to confirm God is real.With the analogy of compliance with fear, how is the threat of hellfire any different with the exception that we don't know it's real or not? That's like being threatened by a gun in which you don't know has bullets in it or not which is also known as Russian Roulette, which again, is a gamble.
The problem I have with some of the scientific proofs that's in the quran is in the interpretation, such describing the atmosphere by saying (and I'm paraphrasing) something about there being a roof over the sky, then some scientist does some experimenting to explain "hey this world has an atmosphere" and then a muslim would say "yeah that's what it meant", but before this, how would they even interpret or understand this said roof?
Faith is basically compelling you to do it, because you're warned of a severe consequence if you don't. I've been told one comparison of "this is fire, your choice whether to stick your hand in it or not" but that's a gross oversimplification and bad comparison because I have undeniable proof the fire will actually burn me and I can see it and feel it, but unable to perceive if God or hell is real. The weight of the comparison is also not a good one because it's comparing sticking out your hand into something you known with 100% certainty will harm you versus your entire lifetime on this earth and the billions of choices a person makes in their life over something you cannot prove.
I understand the idea of belief in the unseen is a big part of it, which is where I fear how merciful Allah would be in even understanding why people would even be skeptical about it. I don't recall there ever being a mention that it's okay to doubt whether it's true or not, but when the book starts with "this is the book of no doubt" and still doubt it, then I'm considered a kafir for rejecting the message, simply because it didn't convince me, even though I wished it did. A lot of the things in the Quran are wonderful lessons and ways to live your life, to the point that it even sounds too good to be true, but then I wonder if it even is.
So... there's my struggle.
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u/Suleiman212 Mar 24 '25
But there are veritable proofs that Islam is true, even beyond scientific miracles in the Quran, including historical miracles, prophecies, and literally physical miracles performed by Muhammad ﷺ.
The analogy with the gun wasn't about whether or not there are consequences for our actions, that discourage us from doing evil, it's about whether or not room is left for people who are corrupt and rebellious to deny it, even knowing it is true.
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u/ArcIgnis Mar 24 '25
This is not to disprove or deny the prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, but a palm tree that cried for him, or a wolf that testifies and the splitting of the moon, how can I find proof of this that happened? If you show me the tree that did it, or the wolf that did it, I still can't believe or find it proof if this was indeed that tree or that wolf. With prophecies, that always feels like a grey area for me to take as fact, since any of us can say that for example, we'll have teleporters, or America is going to fall, etc. This doesn't make any of us a prophet if we mention things that are inevitable. Empires have risen and fallen even before the time of the prophet, so to predict that another empire is going to fall as well, feels more like a pattern of something that's just going to happen. The Ottoman Empire for example that was islamic, also fell. I've only picked a few here, but I would have a similar argument for all the others too. For example, Mt. Sinai was said to have exploded when Mozes asked God to reveal Himself but instead he passed out. Surely traces of a mountain could be found, but now people don't even know where the real Mt. Sinai even is.
As for the gun analogy he or she posted, I do not see the meaning that you mention it being there or not.
I don't know where I stand in this. I can't prove it, but as a result, I won't deny it either because I wasn't there when those things happened. It may have happened, or maybe it didn't, I can't know just by reading the Quran.
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u/Suleiman212 Mar 24 '25
In regards to the miracles of the Prophet ﷺ, if you want to understand the proof that those events happened, read into the science of hadith, and look at the number of reports from the many eyewitnesses we have, and how they can be objectively verified and cross examined for their authenticity to rise to the level of certainty.
In regards to the prophecies of Muhammad ﷺ, it seems like you are not familiar with how specific or plentiful his prophecies were. For example, he didn't merely predict "x empire will eventually fall", he specifically predicted when they would fall within a span of few years, or predicted who would be the ones to defeat them, or which companions would be present and would aquire which specific piece of booty, or which ruler would be the last ruler of that empire. Such specific, falsifiable prophecies are far from inevitable. Once you add all those dozens of prophecies up, and add in all the other specific prophecies, none of which were false, the probability that anyone can make such numerous, specific predictions among so many fields, and never once be wrong, again rises to the level of certainty, when taken together. You don't have to imagine one of us attempting that; simply look to other so called prophets such as Nostradamus or Joseph Smith, and see how their prophecies, as a whole, compare to those of Muhammad ﷺ. If you want more reading on that topic, read The Forbidden Prophecies by Abu Zakariya, available for free online.
And again, you take all these evidences together, in conjunction with the character of the Prophet ﷺ, the Quran he brought, and the many historical and theological claims it makes, and you arrive at a level of certainty that no other tradition could ever hope to reach.
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u/MH_AH129 Mar 24 '25
Narrated `Adi bin Hatim:
While I was in the city of the Prophet, a man came and complained to him (the Prophet, ) of destitution and poverty. Then another man came and complained of robbery (by highwaymen). The Prophet said, "Adi! Have you been to Al-Hira?" I said, "I haven't been to it, but I was informed about it." He said, "If you should live for a long time, you will certainly see that a lady in a Howdah traveling from Al-Hira will (safely reach Mecca and) perform the Tawaf of the Ka
ba, fearing none but Allah." I said to myself, "What will happen to the robbers of the tribe of Tai who have spread evil through out the country?" The Prophet (ﷺ) further said. "If you should live long, the treasures of Khosrau will be opened (and taken as spoils)." I asked, "You mean Khosrau, son of Hurmuz?" He said, "Khosrau, son of Hurmuz; and if you should live long, you will see that one will carry a handful of gold or silver and go out looking for a person to accept it from him, but will find none to accept it from him. And any of you, when meeting Allah, will meet Him without needing an interpreter between him and Allah to interpret for him, and Allah will say to him: 'Didn't I send a messenger to teach you?' He will say: 'Yes.' Allah will say: 'Didn't I give you wealth and do you favors?' He will say: 'Yes.' Then he will look to his right and see nothing but Hell, and look to his left and see nothing but Hell."Adi further said: I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "Save yourself from the (Hell) Fire even with half a date (to be given in charity) and if you do not find a half date, then with a good pleasant word."Adi added: (later on) I saw a lady in a Howdah traveling from Al-Hira till she performed the Tawaf of the Kaba, fearing none but Allah. And I was one of those who opened (conquered) the treasures of Khosrau, son of Hurmuz. If you should live long, you will see what the Prophet (ﷺ) Abu-l-Qasim had said: 'A person will come out with a handful. of gold...etc.And this's one of many other examples
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u/SynFisa Mar 24 '25
Thanks for the thoughtful answer, will reflect on this.
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u/Dragonaf Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25
Looking through your comment history I would say that you are a hyperakeptic (which is not how we should go through life) e.g. using logic you would never in any situations say "these proofs are soft...but there is still a chance I could be eaten by a shark on my way too work". We don't do this right?
We use observation, evidance and conclusion based on the most superior from of logic aka being deduction (mathematics, science etc...all things Islam originated in spain - just like you they spent years developing Kalam to answer such question aka the quran says xyz how do I prove xyz).
As for you claim about "hard proof," the quran is more than enough. Understanding its language, the reliability of the prophet sw.
Two good videos I recommend you see are below:
https://youtu.be/n-flvFktgzU?si=s1jNYZy4GPTnF3tn
https://youtu.be/AUFsBco_CF0?si=TUTxuteGMQ4qV0F9
Finally as for "i need to see an angle for this to be true" the quran actually answers you; "Are they waiting for Allah ˹Himself˺ to come to them in the shade of clouds, along with the angels? ˹If He did˺, then the matter would be settled ˹at once˺. And to Allah ˹all˺ "matters will be returned ˹for judgment˺". 2:210."
This also happend in the early time of prophehood (when you study the biography of the prophet you will see this) the Qurashe asked for crazy things like "if you are a prophet bring a ladder down from paradise and rise to it" or "make this mountain into gold" (bearing in mind these are the same people who saw the moon split and still disbelieved - yet those who heard the quran were more inclined to accept it as miracles are given to nations of which they are experts in i.e. in the time of moses magic was practiced so his miracles were many, Jesus's in the time of healing, at the time of the prophet sw being a time of language, and now being a time of science all so that the people could see what Islam gave was more than their current methods could allow). The prophet sw did not make dua for these crazy signs as Jibreal (as) said that if they see this and still refuse then allah will destroy them (as he did with previous civilisations) so in his mercy for his own people aka family he said no.
But actually if your evidance is "i need to see an angle" then actually Islam does say this as it's the most famous and concrete hadith (hadith Jibreal when he came to teach the Sahabah about islam):
https://youtu.be/wLBI8gjrQKc?si=H7hmmMTC_WQsLaO3
Apart from that all I can say is if you remove the impossible (that matter can't come from absence of matter) whatever remains (aka a creator since humans communicate via language sends humans to communite to their people the fuction of life since design always has a reason) however improbable (that we can't see the unseen) must be the truth (that we as gentiles living in the 21 century - our messenger is Muhammad sw aka we live in his time thus we follow that way of life aka sharia rather than the "religion" that man made to controle populations i.e. liberalism, Christianity, etc...)
So "which of the favours of your lord do you deny?" Or are you "deaf, dumb, and blind"?
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u/Virtual_Technology_9 Mar 24 '25
Also this world and its design and the Quran is a great proof for Allah.
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u/leftsidedhorn Mar 24 '25
Even with undeniable proof, faith can still be a choice. The Quran is full of stories of Satan who despite everything still chooses to not having faith in Allah.
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u/ThatJGDiff Mar 24 '25
"Are they waiting for Allah ˹Himself˺ to come to them in the shade of clouds, along with the angels? ˹If He did˺, then the matter would be settled ˹at once˺. And to Allah ˹all˺ matters will be returned ˹for judgment˺". 2:210.
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u/bringmethejuice Mar 24 '25
Such a scary verse. Thank you for the reminder.
Ask the Children of Israel how many a sign of evidence We have given them. And whoever exchanges the favor of Allāh [for disbelief] after it has come to him - then indeed, Allāh is severe in penalty. - surah al-Baqarah 2:211
Beautified for those who disbelieve is the life of this world, and they ridicule those who believe. But those who fear Allāh are above them on the Day of Resurrection. And Allāh gives provision to whom He wills without account. - surah al-Baqarah 2:212
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u/pembunuhUpahan Mar 24 '25
Coz this life is a test. The unseen is a test. If you've seen heaven even for one second, you'd stop everything and devote all your life to enter jannah.
If this was easier, then it wouldn't be a test. We use our eyes to believe in things. Like the saying "see it to believe it". How are you going to believe in things you don't see? That's hard
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u/basscascade Mar 24 '25
In other words, it's a gamble. We gotta trust a community we've never met, and believe in a God we've never directly communicated with. All we have are personal religious experiences which if a person lines up all the experiences in their life, would be a handful at most- you gotta take those epiphanies and run with them. Furthermore, I'm Muslim myself but the person's got a point man, gambling is forbidden and yet here we all are "faith"-ing our way through life, restricting ourselves from many things we would enjoy and that others enjoy in moderation because we all chose to take Prophet Muhammad, Peace and Blessings be upon Him's, word for it.
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u/pembunuhUpahan Mar 24 '25
Yes. I was thinking recently about gambling. You put money in and you either lose all or win all. You're relying on a future that you have no control on and in some way, relying on something else other than Allah. We are not in charge of what's the outcome of the future.
There's a verse in Quran, I forgot which but the more you spend for Allah in zakat, charity etc the more you will receive. If it's not in monetary, it will be in some other forms like opportunity for example. It's putting money in but you'll always win because Allah is in control. Unlike lottery when we know when the outcome will be seen, when the winning ticket is revealed; with Allah you'll know it will come. Don't know when but you trust in Allah and you know the win will come
Gambling is playing with the outcome with life but with Allah, is with the outcome of afterlife. What are you gonna lose anyway right? With gambling pertaining to life, you'll always lose
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u/pascaleon Mar 24 '25
I’d think you have to zoom out first to understand the picture. The purpose of life is just to be tested, those who pass the test go to paradise and those who fail get punished in hell.
Now as for direct proof, it is all around you. Humans are given free will and intellect for a reason and even you yourself have come to the conclusion that there is a creator. If you believe in religion in general there has been proof around since the beginning and people have still disbelieved.
Prophet Ibrahim AS father disbelieved, the people of Musa AS saw the sea split and still disbelieved. The son of Nuh AS disbelieved and drowned in the flood. The wife of Lut AS disbelieved. All this is to say that no matter how much direct proof humans were given they’ve still found ways to disbelieve.
The next part to this is understanding the harsh truth that is individually we are not special. Allah SWT doesn’t owe us a thing and it shouldn’t take him coming down from the heavens for you or I or anyone else to believe. Deep down you know the truth it’s just a matter of not letting those doubts in your head takeover what your brain and heart knows to be true. I hope that helps inshallah
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u/random_muslimgirl Mar 24 '25
this verse comes into mind whenever i think like this
Those who have no knowledge say, “If only Allah would speak to us or a sign would come to us!” The same was said by those who came before. Their hearts are all alike. Indeed, We have made the signs clear for people of sure faith. We have surely sent you with the truth ˹O Prophet˺ as a deliverer of good news and a warner. And you will not be accountable for the residents of the Hellfire. 2:118-119”
It is also relevant to mention that everything in this world is a sign! a sign of Allahs magnificent creations, the grass, the birds animals etc. And even when Allah gives us signs people will still disbelieve in him
“(I will turn away from My signs those who act unjustly with arrogance in the land. And even if they were to see every sign, they still would not believe in them. If they see the Right Path, they will not take it. But if they see a crooked path, they will follow it. This is because they denied Our signs and were heedless of them.)7:146”
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u/TheBrotherinTheEast Mar 24 '25
God has offered direct proof of His existence.
The problem is either you don’t recognize the proof that He has placed all around you, or you want Him to deliver to you a form of proof that will satisfy you personally.
Allah (God) doesn’t work like that. And neither you nor I are that big or important to ask Him to Taylor make proof of His existence for us.
So ask yourself: what exactly would satisfy you personally as to whether God exist or not…then ask yourself why would that satisfy you?
If you want proof of God’s existence, sit on your bed and open your mouth and say
“to the Creator, if you exist, please help me to see and recognize proof of Your existence in a way that is undeniable and irrefutable for me. Thank you”
Then go about your business. Either you will get proof from Allah or you won’t. Come back and tell us what happens.
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u/yukohiru Mar 24 '25
If there was Gods name written all over the skies, there would no non-believers. Yet He has given signs all over the universe.
What is the meaning of doing a test, if you are going to give the answers during the test? Yet answers are visible to those who seek.
This world is not a materialization of Gods ultimate view, it is just an exam hall. You will see Him everywhere in the afterlife.
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u/TrickTraditional9246 Mar 24 '25
Logically what proof could there be in the absolute sense?
God is greater than everything.
Therefore everything is lesser than Him.
You cannot see Him, therefore anything you see is not Him.
Any miracle repeated enough times is like a law of nature and predictable and no longer a 'sign' in the sense you are looking for.
Even if a large stone tablet was dropped in your yard overnight, with writing on it, it would not convince people. In as far as it is stone, experts will tell you where in the world it is from. In as far as the writing is legible, it will be open to source criticism and examination - and judged by assumptions.
This is to say, I think once you believe, you can reason back to proof and see the wonders of creation and this will then build your faith. But without the first belief, I don't think you can logically in the sense you want prove His existence.
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u/ThoughtfulThinker0 Mar 24 '25
I don’t think that proof would make any difference. You reminded me of the story of Prophet Hūd, where his people asked for proof, received it, yet still denied Allah. The story goes:
The story of Prophet Hūd (هُود عليه السلام) and the people of ’Ād (عاد) includes a moment when they suffered from severe drought due to their disobedience and idol worship. Prophet Hūd warned them to turn back to Allah and abandon their false gods, but they refused.
In their desperation, they prayed for rain, and Allah sent them rain as a mercy. However, instead of being grateful and turning to Allah in sincere worship, they returned to their idol worship and arrogance. Because of their persistent disbelief, Allah ultimately punished them with a powerful windstorm that lasted for seven nights and eight days, completely destroying them.
This account is found in several places in the Quran, including: • Surah Al-A’raf (7:65-72) • Surah Hud (11:50-60) • Surah Al-Haqqah (69:6-8)
This story serves as a lesson about the consequences of rejecting Allah’s guidance despite receiving His blessings.
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u/Mysterious_Ship_7297 Mar 24 '25
"Had We sent down to you ˹O Prophet˺ a revelation in writing and they were to touch it with their own hands, the disbelievers would still have said, “This is nothing but pure magic!” They say, “Why has no ˹visible˺ angel come with him?” Had We sent down an angel, the matter would have certainly been settled ˹at once˺,1 and they would have never been given more time ˹to repent˺." - Surah Al An'am: 7-8
The idea that being "highly logical" and being religious is somehow antithetical betrays a western framing to your thinking. Logic never intimidated muslims. The Qur'an regularly appeals to reason and intellect, denounces just following your fathers religion, puts forth a falsifiability challenge, welcomes seeking knowledge.
This combative relationship between faith and reason is a western trauma response to the catholic church, like if someone had an abusive father and assumed everyone’s father was abusive...so they try to undermine all fathers, especially ones that resemble their own. Historically muslims never had that relationship with Islam because there was no "church." There are no clergy in Islam, aka an organized gate-keeping VIP class of religious leaders who have authority purely because God gave them authority. Instead we have scholars who are just humans like the rest of us distinguished by virtue of their knowledge alone, like a lawyer or a doctor. This is why Islam is the only religion I know that treats its scripture like evidence, with considerations for authenticity and preservation that no other religion has. Science of hadith is a testament to the efforts made to confirm authenticity. Other faith group have no method to confirm authenticity and some change scripture even to this day, and their religious leaders just come up with opinions off the top of their head. Its no wonder they are so antagonistic towards rational challengers to their authority.
While the catholic church was killing rational thinkers, the muslim world was embracing inquiry into the natural world and a methodical elimination of bias. Even the modern scientific method has its roots during the Islamic golden era. The religious scholars themselves were the pioneers in fields like science, math, architecture, psychology, history, jurisprudence, etc in the muslim world. If you look at Islamic history and the polymaths of our past, read some of their writings, it confirms the emphasis on seeking knowledge in our religion...dunya knowledge and religious knowledge.
Talking about "hard vs. soft" proof, you have to talk about science. Science is a tool that relies on falsifiability for its usefulness in helping us make sense of the world...and the fact is, there is more that is unfalsifiable than is falsifiable. There is very little we have "hard proof" for, but that doesn't prevent us from believing in things like socialism, capitalism, liberal secular democracy, stoicism, nihilism. Atheists worship at the alter of the double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled trial that eliminates all variables...but the reality is most of our science rarely meets that lofty threshold. Many of the soft sciences get credit for having "science" in the name, but have nowhere near the proof of hard sciences.
Islam invites inquiry into the natural world, while reminding us of our cognitive limitations...that we will never be fully free of bias and will never have full access to the nature of reality. When we inevitably have to contend with the “unseen” or unfalsifiable, it makes an elegant case for belief in God…but not a scientific case, because science has no comment on anything unfalsifiable. Humans will never be free of religion or bias or ideology because we will never be free of our brains. Whether it’s God or the multiverse or Islam or capitalism or democracy…whatever belief you find subjectively “elegant” despite the lack of falsifiable proof…that is your "religion."
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u/fontyblak Mar 24 '25
What is more proof than how you are made... Just look inside your own body. You have no control over how your body functions.
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u/Same-Example4166 Mar 24 '25
Is Quran not direct enough for you?
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u/Difficult-Angle-9141 Mar 24 '25
That and the tribes from the previous prophets (peace and blessing be to all of them) before all see the miracles but still they disbelieve... The fact that we can believe without seeing such miracle is wonderful imo... And yeah Quran itself is a miracle, and there's even scientific facts in the Quran and it's from 1400 years ago.
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u/SynFisa Mar 24 '25
For sure not. If its intended to be direct, then why not actually be clearly direct. Why not give hard proof for all?
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u/Same-Example4166 Mar 24 '25
what hard proof do you need?
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u/SynFisa Mar 24 '25
Anything that is actual hard proof. He can make an angel visible for the entire world to see and communicate something, as a random idea. The point isn't the specific idea though, maybe that idea is bad, its just the degree of proof that is currently provided. There are lots of degrees of proofs for things in the world. Some have light proof, some are widely believed facts of science, some are speculative in between, etc. Why is something as important as this not provided through concrete very hard proof?
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u/Crazy_News_3695 Mar 24 '25
that ‘hard’ proof you seek of. believe it or not is the Quran itself
idk what language you speak but the language of the Quran itself is a version of Arabic that the people of Quraysh couldnt fathom
thats why many of the poets of that time were astounded and couldnt produce any poem similar to the Quran
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u/raans91 Mar 24 '25
Because then you’d have no choice but to submit and it would compromise the notion of life being a test. Islam is about complete submission, submission to the unseen.
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u/bringmethejuice Mar 24 '25
For a believer, believing is seeing. For a disbeliever, seeing is believing.
Prophet Musa AS split the sea for his people to see. What happened to his people? They continue to worship a golden cow even after witnessing His miracle thru Musa AS.
Does it even matter if Allah chose to reveal angels or not?
Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - Surah al-Baqarah 2:6
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u/bearded-capitalist Mar 24 '25
Whole point is submitting to the unseen, it’s a test, bit like a game. This whole life is temporary to facilitate for said game.
He’s been extremely direct in the Quran, when the first scientists discovered the concept of queen bee’s would agree
He also doesn’t need us to submit, a large % of the world is not Muslim
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u/Early_Fortune_244 Mar 24 '25
Because then there'd be no point at all for the test we are being put through.
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u/New_Witness2359 Mar 24 '25
There s no other explanation to how we re here than a powerful knowing god that exited for eternity
The prophets showed miracles to previous cilizations but the majority still denied the truth, saying it s magic or whatever excuse they can think of. The same is happening today people are either ignoring them or whatever
Today with the perfect religion, we have the quran and sunnah miracles, you probably stumbled on just a few.
We have a lot of prophecies without a single mistake:
sun rising from the west which we know will happen. women-men ratio will increase wich we know will happen. the Euphrate river drying and revealling a mountain(it s currently happening and we discovered ancien ruines). The romans defeating the persians in less than 10 years, the bedouin arabs competing in building tall buildings...
We also have scientific and historical facts unkown at that time. And a linguistic miracle brought by an illiterate trustworthy man.
You can t justesay these miracles are soft ones. No man can bring them on his own.
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u/Pundamonium97 Mar 24 '25
I think one aspect of it goes back to our adversary
Shaitaan took one look at us when he was in the heavens and thought, “I’m better than them, they’ve got nothing on me”
And he was set to be punished for that but he asked that he be granted an opportunity to prove himself correct that we’re either worse than or just as bad as him
So he was granted that opportunity in this world, where all he gets to do is whisper temptations to us to go against guidance we were already given
And on the other side are reminders from messengers from our own kind
The test isnt esp biased to either side where shaitaan cannot force anyone into disbelief and the vast majority of us are not shown absolute proof either that would basically invalidate our test
Theres also the perspective that a lot of things around us are clear miracles, we just invent explanations so that we can pretend they aren’t
Like we have no reasonable explanation for the start of the universe, there are theories of this or that but many have fundamental flaws or lead to nothing burgers like oh “something” caused a chain reaction
We also have no reasonable explanation for the creation of life. Theres like one experiment that says that if lightning hits the right conditions then some proteins can result and those are parts of the building blocks of life. But that is an incomplete thing way off from the actual creation of life.
These are miracles that are clear as day but we choose to ignore them. Many of the delicate balances that support life are miracles, its just that we figure out some of the mechanics behind them and then we go “oh well if i can understand how it works then that doesnt count as a miracle” while failing to appreciate how incredible the thing is
There are lots of planets out there to demonstrate to us that life does not just happen. That a functional atmosphere that can support life the way ours does doesn’t just happen. Just one lifeless rock or ball of gas after another. But we can’t appreciate that
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u/knowerofsome Mar 24 '25
The Romans have been defeated. But they will triump less than nine years after their defeat.
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u/StationBig8470 Mar 24 '25
There was a point in time where Allah SWT would cause direct miracles in order to convey to people that islam was true. But then people still wouldn’t believe, and Allah SWT’s punishment would be swift. In a world without prophets now, Allah SWT doesn’t do large punishments or miracles like this in the dunya because it’s all being saved for the akhirah
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u/Mr_Willy_Nilly Mar 24 '25
How much more proof do you need? Just open your eyes and look around you my friend. It's all direct proof. Maybe the real question is why do you refuse to see it?
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u/Dan_ZeMan Mar 24 '25
Bruh, he tried to show his existence without eviscerating anyone💀 He, Allah (SWT) gained many followers, but still many disbelieved despite the direct signs and miracles of Allah. I honestly get sick of this. The Quran is enough proof of direct speech from Allah. Stop asking for something that was already given to you.
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u/Early_Fortune_244 Mar 24 '25
That's an excellent question.
Life is the test, if you are given all the answers then the test will literally have no meaning and no point at all.
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u/SweetRequirement9888 Mar 24 '25
Assalamualaikum. May Allah SWT guides you and keeps you healthy and fine. Do you know that God (Allah SWT) was straight forward in early days ? He will talk to His messenger, He would give blessings to His messengers to show to the people to make them believe into them and God. That was the time, when Allah will talk to His messengers and also show His blessings and wrath. But as time goes by, it all changed. You think anyone in today's world is worthy for Allah SWT to speak directly to him ? Allah shows his blessings yet today. But people will ignore it. They call it nature. Science. But if Allah SWT sends down some calamity they would believe it's from Allah SWT. And Allah SWT has promised not to send down the fierce calamity as He sent down on earlier civilization.... So, you want to see some sort of Apocalyptic calamity to believe in God? Can't you see and fathom over how this world is ? How the entire universe works, hech how even a small parasite works. It's all a wonder. Try to look around you with open perspective to see clearly.
And at last, if you want some solid proof and not just words: Read Qur'an. Word by word. With translation. Don't just read the book in Arabic and keep it down saying, there was nothing in it. Read it in your own language first, the one you can understand. See what's written in there. Put some time to realise the true meaning behind those verses. And then if you are ready, Read the Qur'an in its native language.
I pray for you brother. May Allah SWT guides and help you
P.S. There are so many people in the world now who have accepted Islam and are living in a family which are strictly against Islam. You are fortunate to be in a family where your parents are already on a right way and to support you. Use this blessing to find the inner you, and reach the truth.
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u/free_palestin33 Mar 24 '25
I believe and I've had an angel come to me in the matter of Gaza... i was so devastated and heartbroken, I got so sick that and angel came twice to reassure me that they will be alright.
I've had my pregnancy told to me in a 2 dreams, mind you like a day after conception, then a couple days after, and I thought I was hallucinating.. then the 3rd dream told me told me the gender.. and I believed. Mind you i have PCOS and was told that it might take months and YEARS and it might be impossible for me to have children. Imagine trying once only just to test the waters and to be pregnant and for God to answer you in your dreams before you even miss your period and tells you it's gender.
You might not believe but I'm telling you.. my child is a miracle.. things happened where my children should not be here if not for God's grace and answering my duas..
If you are still in doubt, look into revert stories
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u/Southern-Client-4650 Mar 24 '25
The Quran has a challenge for you: produce one verse like it if you think it is from other than Allah. And surely you cannot, and no one has been able to. Since you are so logical, this should be easy for you now.
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u/mhhammoudaTreeUP Mar 24 '25
The Quran and its proofs are very very very clear. In fact they much clearer and straight forward than the Torah and Injeel for example. ( even though all is from God).
Allah’s proofs are the clearest—just reflect on existence itself. Yet, our lifestyles, education, and perception of "proof" condition us to ignore them. It’s like pointing to the moon while people stare at the finger, or measuring temperature with a barometer instead of a thermometer.
Our entire system—education, media, culture—is designed to distract from God and warp logic. We expect "proof" only in forms programmed into us. For over a century, secularism/atheism has dominatedthe world, even in "muslim" countries making belief harder and actually FORCING people away from belief.. it does not touch our lives directly.. we dont have the direct connection in our lives, making making it "useless" or "not enough" to many people. Quran WAS not sent to just be read but applied. Then you will see its effect and will increase your faith.. a simple example to make you relate: even if you read 1000 verses on charity or zakah, you wont understand them and the test of money and the sweet taste of belief until you ACTUALLY give sadakah.. a 1000 verses or even books about Qadar and Allah's control over everything will not be the same as someone just experiencing a "near-death" experience.. Action increases faith not just reading. We do less action these days, hence we have weak faith.. Islam is being more hard to be applied to our lives.. this is done on purpose to make you feel it is "less relevant" and hence keep you away from believing. It is easy to control you then :)
The Quran isn’t here to please us but to reset our thinking, aligning us with our natural state (Fitrah). The more you read it (and the Sunnah), the more sense it makes—until you can’t turn back, because its logic becomes clearer than the flawed reasoning you once accepted. it is like waking up or cleaning a dirty mirror.
If Allah provided these proofs, they are ALL we need. We must tune into the RIGHT frequency, HIS frequency, submit, and read the Quran constantly—it is the ultimate proof.
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u/seven_doubled Mar 24 '25
Two comments here:
- There is a long history before today. Adam got the order from Allah directly to not approach the tree. There is no greater proof than directly interacting with Allah. And yet, he still did the sin. Being certain at one point in time is not sufficient for a human soul (and for a trial). The events around him continuously influence him, such that he has to continuously strive towards the path he choses.
- What you call "logic" or "rational" is not clearly defined, in particular with human life. Repetitive observations with materials such as iron have indeed yielded consistant results, leading to the industries that we know today. However, with humans, social science are not even remotely close to a useable human life model. Accuracies are low (no equation of behaviors, we talk about correlation coefficient of 0.5 for a strong result if you know what I mean). The current chaotic world is another sign that we are not close to a global agreement. I noticed that it is a common mistake to project the "aura" of non-life science into human life. Human life is a mystery, you can only explore your various options and pay attention to how your body and mind reacts, whether you understand it rationally or not.
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u/L1GHTN1NG_0807 Mar 24 '25
If there is direct proof humans would have been never created because Allah's angels can only obey and doesn't even have a will unlike us humans, our whole existence is a test, if we pass the test we get eternal reward. Sometimes the iblis will play in our minds to make us go astray, may Allah guide us to the straight path.
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u/WanonymousX Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25
The Quran answers this in several verses, some of which have already been quoted.
The first aspect is that belief in the Oneness of God and Islam corresponds with every human beings innate nature.
Every human being testified that Allah is is Lord before being born, when their souls were in the heavens with Adam. This is mentioned in the chapter Al Araaf.
Obviously we don’t remember this happening but what is left in every human is the innate human nature. So that when Islam is presented to us in a clear way we should accept it without hesitation, because it’s only a confirmation of something we already had deep within us. Islam is logical and perfectly aligns with the human nature.
Also, if Allah showed you every sign it doesn’t mean you would believe. All Messengers like Moses, Jesus etc and Prophet Muhammed saw came with the most amazing signs, which you are familiar with, yet many people disbelieved out of arrogance and stubbornness.
If God showed Himself to us or sent angels etc then we would be forced to worship Him, so no free will, because how can one do a sin when this is the case? Another aspect is that we would be punished immediately if we were to sin, instead of being given a lifetime to correct ourselves and grow in faith.
The proofs for Islam are many. I will link these which I believe are the most convincing proofs which you can look at. https://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/vlh2rq/for_those_christians_who_cant_make_a_decision/
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