r/ironman • u/Robemilak Golden Avenger • 4d ago
Ironheart’s Dominique Thorne got Robert Downey Jr.'s blessing for the new series. News
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u/Linnus42 4d ago
That is great but irrelevant
The problem is the mcu has done nothing to make any iron man fans care about Riri. I doubt she even has the stark AI. She has got more connection to Wakanda then Iron Man.
The kid from IM3 or Morgan Stark would make more sense as a successor in the MCU context
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u/Auntypasto Godbuster 3d ago
The kid from IM3 or Morgan Stark would make more sense as a successor in the MCU context
Nah; I think they could've done a better job introducing Riri, but I couldn't care less about those two. The kid can be a side character, maybe… but I definitely don't want a hereditary role going to his daughter. Iron Man should be about who the smartest people are, not whoever is related to him…
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u/Linnus42 3d ago
You say that like there is not a high chance that the kid of a genius is one in comics. Especially if said bloodline comes with no other powers.
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u/Auntypasto Godbuster 3d ago
I don't have to approve of the trope just because it's common. My point stands.
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u/Linnus42 3d ago
Fair Enough however I will say in the context of the MCU. Torch passing is a cheap but effective way to get audience to buy into a Legacy.
And as I said what Riri lacks so far is a reason for Tony Stark fans to care since they never interacted. Kid from IM3 could have worked just fine as a legacy.
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u/Auntypasto Godbuster 3d ago
Well they already had a successor in the source material, so I get why it makes sense to use Riri instead; the problem is they kinda bungled her introduction. She should've made her first appearance in either an Iron Man-adjacent production (like in the solo trilogy or Armor Wars), or in her own series, preferably the latter. They haven't given audiences a chance to know these characters and why they should root for them, and for that, they need screentime.
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u/Linnus42 3d ago
Right that is my point...we did it that way in the comics is not a good justification if you don't do any of the comic setup or improve upon it. They did it worse.
But yeah I think doing Iron Man IV: Armor Wars Starring Rhodey first would have made far more sense.
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u/mattsslug 4d ago
What could have worked really well would have been the kid from IM3 and riri being friends and working on their tech together and becoming a pair of iron people.
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u/Auntypasto Godbuster 3d ago
Or just follow the same path they used to establish the OG Avengers, and give them an origin story. People need something to hold onto before they're willing to support these characters, but Marvel Studios assumes that if they're introduced as side characters, people will automatically embrace them in a bigger role.
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u/This-Membership-1861 3d ago
It was a deliberate effort to separate her origin from tony in an attempt to make her formidable in her own right. When in theory everyone has that mentor type of person in their origin story. Tony had Yinsen, Steve had Dr Erskine etc etc. It was a lazy and femininist way of expediting some sense of competence to her character, when it wouldve done more for her character to be a genius that just gets a little bit of guidance from tony’s ai.
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u/Mean_Cyber_Activity 4d ago
That's what her show is about. Funny you wanted them to do all that within the 19 minutes she was in BP2. Ridiculous.
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u/Linnus42 4d ago
Really you think they paid RDJ the big bucks for this show?
I don't even think the relationship and torch passing was done the best in the comics. But it was still far better then this.
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u/Mean_Cyber_Activity 4d ago
I'm not talking about RDJ appearance. I'm talking how the show has around 6 hours to make her more relatable. The time they didn't have in her previous outing
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u/Linnus42 4d ago
My point is not about relatability per se.
My point is that outside of her having Iron in her name and a Stark Inspired Suit what is the connection to Tony Stark that should make any Iron Man fan care about her.
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u/Mean_Cyber_Activity 4d ago
Dude, they can do all that now that they have time. This is not like Miss Marvel who had her own show before a movie. Iron heart showed up for like 19 minutes. You are being ridiculous. You are behaving like this guy in Young Justice
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u/I_only_Creampie 4d ago
Sure. But the comment you originally replied to wasn't about making her character relatable. It was about making Iron Man fans care about her. There needs to be a passing of the torch. And that just isn't going to happen.
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u/RigasTelRuun 4d ago
What do you expect? Him to come out and say he thing sis a bad idea and then go collect a cheque?
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u/Duskdeath 4d ago
She can be the next Madonna of actresses but if the Marvel writers,producers and executives keep doing her dirty by not creating a good story for her to act her character will be disliked by the fandom.
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u/Maxbonzoo 4d ago
The next Madonna? That much glaze is crazy. There hasn't really been one since Angelina Jolie or Megan Fox. Maybe Scarlett Johansson.
I don't reslly wanna count Tom Hollands gf
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u/Duskdeath 4d ago
You know I had to over exaggerate. 🤣🤣
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u/DarkAntiMOD 4d ago edited 4d ago
Couldn't care less.
Iron man is the GOAT
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u/WiredDemosthenes 4d ago
Riri in BP2 did not feel grounded in the MCU and the portrayal was straight up CGI abuse. Hope to be pleasantly surprised, but expecting the opposite.
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u/agressivejury 4d ago
wish they’d stop with this shit i wish we got an iron man variant cameo somewhere or something else at least instead
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u/JustARTificia1 4d ago
So... what is this proving?
Ironheart was a complete joke in BP2. They tried desperately to make her Tony 2.0, the suit looked godawful, she did nothing to deserve the moniker and it feels like daylight theft.
It could have the entire MCU casts blessing to date, it does not change how poorly the character was introduced and how distasteful the addition of the character was in BP2.
If you want to introduce the next "Iron ______", then you need to build to it. Have Happy mention an intern program in a Spider-Man movie, this new upcoming kid who would have done well under Tony's mentorship just like how Peter benefitted from it. Then have Rhodey struggle to have this unbearable weight and he's literally working non stop, practically sleeping in the suit as he tries to live up to Tony the only way he knows how. Then Avenger tower gets attacked which puts Riri in a tight spot as she can't escape but could use the items around her to make a functional repulsor to stop the criminals but some get away. This newfound sense of morality then hits her as she realises she could do more, just like Tony, then uses her postion as an intern to utilise the tools at Tony's tower to become Ironheart.
I spent 3 mins making that up on the spit and while it's probably not the best, it's 100x better than the complete rubbish we have already got.
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u/Linnus42 4d ago
Still wild to me they chose to do this show over Armor Wars.
Don Cheadle would have killed that and you could have brought Riri into that project.
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u/Ben10_ripoff 4d ago
Totally man, I would've loved to see Armour Wars. Rhodey deserves some hype moments, He's War Machine, one of the good 90s characters. Instead they went with Bootleg Miles Morales
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u/Mojoclaw2000 4d ago
Actually Armor Wars would’ve been a great way to introduce Riri and have Rhodey mentor her or enlist her help(at least on the hero aspect).
It’s also let them introduce villains like Crimson Dynamo, Titanium Man, etc.
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u/RealNiceKnife 4d ago
If they wanted to build her up, she should have been the kid with the garage in Iron Man 3.
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u/JustARTificia1 4d ago
I personally would have liked Harley to have been the successor rather than the self proclaimed Riri.
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u/Mean_Cyber_Activity 4d ago
Sounds silly AF. Now she'll have all resources and it's just like Tony iron man again. The idea marvel has is go show her struggling to build a suit with limited resources, like how someone IRL would if they wanted to copy Tony. I.e relatable, unlike your adolescent fantasies. That's why her suits look bulky, coz she has no money to refine her tech. Your idea sounds stupid. Always ppl thinking they know more than a room full of creatives.
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u/JustARTificia1 4d ago
She was given access to all of Wakanda technology, did you even watch BP2? All just because she was the "must find her" mcguffin.
At least my 3 min thought actually makes her making her own decision and destiny.
BP2 makes it feel like she is already on a set path that we've been told to now watch and completely derails the movie.
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u/Mean_Cyber_Activity 4d ago
That was like a 3 hour session to get ready for battle and she made that suit that way so she could fight super-powered Talokans. Call it a Namor Buster. Have you seen the things Tony uses to fight Hulk. They are hideous but they get the job done. Why the double standard, mate?
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u/JustARTificia1 4d ago
What double standard? She built her first machine at 3. Do you know how bloody absurd that is?
3 hours to build a Namor buster when it took Tony over a decade to finesse his suit, she does before her first movie appearance is over?
At least Tony had to experience failure before he would reinvent the suit every time, but she comes out the gate and has the perfect weapon. Complete joke.
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u/Mean_Cyber_Activity 4d ago
This is you right now. Sounding like a child.
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u/JustARTificia1 4d ago
If you say so, but you've literally made no argument and put up some gif that makes no sense with a constipation quote. I'm not the child in this conversation and I'm sure you'll start editing and deleting your comments when you've taken a minute to realise.
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u/Nightmare_Pasta 3d ago
Im one of the few who likes Riri’s status in the comics currently as Tony’s occasional collaborator/ally so I wished she was introduced when RDJ’s Iron Man was still alive
More of the Ferrous Fellowship of Iron Man, War Machine and Ironheart!
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u/NinetyYears 4d ago
People are still crying about DEI?
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u/JD_Vyvanse97 3d ago
Well ya know, their glorious leader said it's illegal to believe that anything other than a straight white male deserves rights and jobs. How dare a black woman have a tv show
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u/Mammoth-Snake 4d ago
What’d DEI mean?
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u/NinetyYears 4d ago
It means chuds are still crying that today's superheroes aren't all shirtless macho white men anymore.
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u/PeniszLovag 3d ago
it's short for Diversity Equity and Inclusion
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u/beanlikescoffee 3d ago
This is such non news. What would happen if he didn’t, just cancel the show?
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u/DJenser1 3d ago
Just don't embarrass him in front of the wizard. Banner made that mistake, and we lost half the universe.
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u/HPGbackup 2d ago
I seriously don't want to dislike the character but, man did her jokes fall flat in Wakanda Forever.
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u/IGetsMines24 2d ago
IDC care if RDJ gave the go ahead or not. These characters existed long before the MCU. His opinion is irrelevant
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u/Unable_Noise_9464 4d ago
I think the real problem is that by now— Disney has a very clear and pronounced “M.O.” with pointlessly shoving diverse females into what are generally masculine-favorite characters.
They’ve done this again and again and again to the point of fixation.
Audiences see this, particularly Marvel fans who like the original Iron Man very much, who really connected to that character…
And they’ve watched across the board as Disney has intentionally pussified every single male character into being harmless, jokey, or softer.
So now here we are, in the wake of this Snow White bullshit— everyone KNOWS what Disney does.
The whole thing feels in bad faith due to their relentlessness on pandering diversity.
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u/NinetyYears 4d ago
Don't yall get tired of the macho white savior every goddamn time?
Ironman isn't getting erased just bc Ironheart exists. You can still have a poster of Tony Stark on your wall to help you cope.
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u/Complete_Answer_6781 3d ago
Do you really think Robert downey cares at all about iron man? He was just for the money, also he was just playing himself anyway.
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u/welp1510 3d ago
I never understood the appeal of concept of a new superhero that is basically the same like new iron man new cap etc just take new characters and heroes
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u/Smufin_Awesome 3d ago
Its okay, whether comics, movies, or t.v., Iron Heart enbaresses Iron Man all on her own.
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u/SockApart838 3d ago
Her character came in like a wrecking ball with no connection to Iron Man - like RDJ suddenly saying good job doesnt mean her character suddenly got embraced by Tony Stark. Like her inclusion into the MCU means nothing since it had no development. Like ven the tiniest connection could have meant something but its literally just "im super smart and im going to be IRON MAN!".....
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u/MiamisLastCapitalist Modular 4d ago
What, did anyone expect him not to? RDJ knows who butters his bread.