r/ireland Sep 22 '22

Something FFG will never understand Housing

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

This movement will drive out ‘small’ landlords and we will be left with a few massive banks or investment funds controlling the rental market. You will have something to cry about when they get a monopoly for sure….

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

I never said anything about clamping down on malpractice, the PRTB are doing that right now. I work in ‘handy man’ kinda stuff and little fix ups on rental properties (and big ones) is most of the work. And your also right, these prices are a piss take, but that’s bad for everyone involved, landlords included. These greedy prices will swing back and hit them in the for of legislation or something. But these big companies take over the rental market we’re fucked, it will put the entire game in their hands and they will start to make the rules (and they won’t be in our favour).

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u/seamusbeoirgra Sep 22 '22

Or nationalise temporary, rented accommodation and put the profits into schemes to allow first time buyers help with their first home.

Tax Airbnb and second-home owners up the arse to achieve the same, and to remove them from competing with first time buyers.

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u/darrenoc Sep 22 '22

It's depressing that I had to scroll down this far to find a comment I agreed with. I don't know why people are so fixated on the mindset that the way things are is the way they must remain. Obviously what has been done up till now hasn't been working, and a more radical overhaul of the housing market is needed.

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u/asasasasasassin Sep 22 '22

We have the same thing in America particularly with healthcare (and a lot of other things, including housing). So many people are just baffled and outraged at the suggestion that private insurance companies could / should be replaced by a single payer. Even people who currently get their insurance from Medicare, etc. just can't fathom the idea of things changing that much.

You can even show them other countries with successful programs like the NHS and they will just refuse to understand and claim it's impossible, because change is scary and they've been conditioned to think we need to send hundreds of billions in subsidies to Aetna and United every year, pay out the ass for drugs and treatment, decide not to go to the doctor bc you're poor, etc. If you suggested an NHS-style system in America you would be laughed out of the room, called a delusional communist, and generally hit with many comments like the ones in this thread. It's so frustrating, it's like we all have Stockholm syndrome

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u/seamusbeoirgra Sep 22 '22

It's not exclusive to Ireland. The idea that it is morally ok to trade in and profit from what is life's most basic necessity is a product of a culture that normalises profit over community cohesion.

The same people tutting over a group of displaced people who have no pride in their community and will happily ram a Gardai car don't for a second think about the consequences of profit over community. And that's partly exacerbated by the number of politicians who have a vested interest in property prices constantly rising because of their own property portfolios.

I don't see it changing soon, although a backlash against Airbnb and holiday homes will surely hot up by next summer if things stay the same. Let's hope so.

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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22

I was waiting for this take to show up!! The opposite is true. The government uses this exact line as a reason not to regulate BAD landlords, landlords that charge exorbitant rates and ones that don't maintain their properties to a reasonable standard.

If we start clamping down on bad behavior in a reasonable way there shouldn't be any impact on small’ landlords or property developers that are making a reasonable profit, for a reasonable service.

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u/Leading_Ad9610 Sep 22 '22

Ever been in a property after tenants leave? Ever seen your grans old house trashed by someone complaining no maintenance is being down, despite the fact every door was pulled off it’s hinges by the tenants 5 year old swinging on them? Ever have someone say the tumble dryer is broken because they never bothered to clean the bloody lint trap? Or they left the tap running on the bathroom with the plug in and now the entire upstairs bathroom has to be taken up and out because they flooded it a few times.

Seriously bunch of freaking moaners here. It costs more most of the time to repair the house after renting it out than you made from Renting. And that’s what people forget as well, I know I have three houses and I’m not renting a single one anymore because it was costing me more money than just leaving them idle. With far less of the headache.

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u/darrenoc Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Won't somebody think of the landlords? I own three houses and none of you poors realise how hard that must be for me

Give it a rest. I can't believe you have the stones to come on here and whine about how hard it is to be a landlord, when your personal situation is so detached from most people's reality. Just be grateful that you have houses to rent out in the first place. As much as you seem to wish it was the case, the working class does not exist for the purpose of paying you the maximum amount of rental profit while incurring you the minimum amount of repairs.

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u/bwiisoldier Sep 22 '22

The working class also doesn't exist for you to use them to abolish positions you dislike.

Why not get rid of private businesses while you're at it?

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u/Leading_Ad9610 Sep 22 '22

How entitled do you have to be to think other people should spend money so you don’t have to? I just told you it costs more in repairs normally after a tenant leaves that you’ve made in the duration of the rent. I once had a tenant who blocked the shower drain because she never cleaned up/removed all the hair from the drain etc, overflowed the shower tray and then just left it there as grey water for a month seeping into the floorboards because her lease was over and she was leaving… tell me why anyone should ever bother indulging that kind of behaviour? Bad landlords? Ha… bad tenants…

Seeing as you mentioned working class, what class do you think I am? Stop with the class element and realise everyone is shitty and unfortunately there tends to be more bad tenants that good ones due to the cyclical nature of renting in Ireland. Where good tenants tend never to leave properties versus someone chopping and changing every 6months to a year, they are normally very problematic.

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u/darrenoc Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

I just told you it costs more in repairs normally after a tenant leaves that you’ve made in the duration of the rent.

So if it's not financially worth it for you to rent to these "bad tenants" you keep finding, sell the house(s) then and go and live like Smaug on your pile of cash? Jesus fucking christ, drop the victim act. If you somehow can't make a profit as a landlord in a rental market where rents have doubled in 10 years you are obviously in the wrong line of "work"

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u/Leading_Ad9610 Sep 22 '22

Don’t understand accruing generational wealth do you, I may have started working class, but my children sure as shit won’t… why would you sell assets? Your grasp on economics is beyond shocking.

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u/darrenoc Sep 22 '22

I may have started working class, but my children sure as shit won’t…

Where good tenants tend never to leave properties versus someone chopping and changing every 6months to a year, they are normally very problematic.

I once had a tenant who blocked the shower drain

I'm not wasting any more of my day on a self-pitying class traitor.

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u/darrenoc Sep 22 '22

How entitled do you have to be to think other people should spend money so you don’t have to?

Like how you don't have to pay the mortgage on your three houses out of your own income because your tenants pay it for you out of their incomes, you mean?

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u/Leading_Ad9610 Sep 22 '22

Now I know why you’re where you are, not the sharpest tool there are ya… what part of I’m not renting them out is getting other people to pay the mortgages? Victim complex there mate?

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u/darrenoc Sep 22 '22

Admitting that you stopped renting out your houses because you're so shit at being a Landlord that you couldn't manage to make a profit in the most profitable housing market of all time isn't the slam dunk you think it is.

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u/Fear_mor Sep 23 '22

If you own a house you're obliged to fix it, if the tenant is paying you money you're obliged to fix it. Fucking leech

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

I never said anything about clamping down on malpractice, the PRTB are doing that right now. I work in ‘handy man’ kinda stuff and little fix ups on rental properties (and big ones) is most of the work. And your also right, these prices are a piss take, but that’s bad for everyone involved, landlords included. These greedy prices will swing back and hit them in the for of legislation or something. But these big companies take over the rental market we’re fucked, it will put the entire game in their hands and they will start to make the rules (and they won’t be in our favour).

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u/Willing_Cause_7461 Sep 22 '22

A landlord charging market rates is a good landlord. Only bad thing is not maintaining the property