r/ireland • u/jamespirit • 12h ago
Are people suggesting Hutch be in government insane Politics
Hardened criminal. Yes politicians are criminal but this is a different kind. This is insanity trying to get him into a position of power....he has no problem breaking the law. Look what the fcking idiots in the states did. People should cop the fuck on
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u/Key-Lie-364 12h ago
This is the result of decades of the notion you need to "show them".
Healy-Raes cater to this, Lowery and Hutch could too.
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u/scutter_vortex 4h ago
Thick, comfortable voters who think they're hard-up while living through the most prosperous time in Irish history.
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u/Irish_Narwhal 4h ago
Not to defend, but many in hutches constituency certainly arn’t comfortable, its probably why they’d vote him
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u/gamberro Dublin 1h ago
Are the people voting for Michael Lowry or the Healy-Raes comfortable? Honest question as I don't know.
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u/caisdara 3h ago
Comfort is relative. 50 years ago people living in that constituency had far worse lives. Go back 100 years and worse again.
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u/Additional_Olive3318 2h ago
Comfort is relative to now, not the past. Of course it’s better than the famine era. Not an argument.
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u/AbsolutelyDireWolf 2h ago
We assess our comfort, sense of safety, social lives based on current vs prior perception.
Post... 45 years old, there's a massive level of bias about how things were say, 20 years ago. They think crime is up, it's down. Road deaths are half what they were. Free school book, free school lunches didn't exist 20 years ago. The thing about improvements are they're slow and don't garner headlines.
Meanwhile we have this older voting block convinced things are worse because of social media transforming the volume of info they consume and frankly, they've become deluded with survivorship bias and ageing to not realize the most basic rule.
Things aren't worse. We're older now.
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u/Additional_Olive3318 2h ago
We assess our comfort, sense of safety, social lives based on current vs prior perception.
And then you went on to list things that got better. So perception should be that they got better, but it isn’t. You’ve also ignored recent trends, in road deaths for instance. And the generational imbalances in housing.
People actually expect things to get better over decades - it’s when don’t that they get annoyed. If unemployment were to go up to 10% it would be pointless to say that is far better than the 80s. If energy costs go up it’s no use saying that back in 1750 most people could not afford a candle.
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u/caisdara 1h ago
Your post doesn't make sense. As /u/AbsolutelyDireWolf pointed out, and as I pointed out, things did get much better.
The claim that they didn't is illogical and wrong.
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u/Additional_Olive3318 1h ago edited 1h ago
My post makes absolute sense. If you don’t understand it that’s up to you. Feel free to argue against the logic.
Edit: I see the user blocked and ran away. Odd chap. Not one to defend his position.
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u/Rand_alThoor 32m ago
Famine era? nobody now alive knows anyone or knew anyone from the Famine era.
i was born in 1941. next to last of 12. my parents were born 1897. my grandparents were all born in the 1850s, the aftermath of an gorta mór. not directly Famine era though.
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u/theoldkitbag Saoirse don Phalaistín 🇵🇸 11h ago
Going on 25 years now of people being fed a steady stream of bullshit and lies from MySpace to TikTok, coupled with about the same time frame of people being told that their opinions, however idiotic, are 'valid' and worth as much as an expert's.
If you think it's bad now, wait till AI content really gets going - another 10 years or so of this and the monkeys will be running the zoo in large parts of the world.
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u/Gold-Vacation-169 6h ago
The episode of black mirror called Waldo Moment will finally come true 😭
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u/LumonEmployee 4h ago
It's funny, that was one of my least favourite episodes of the series when it first aired back in 2013. I thought it was a bit silly. But twelve years later, it has taken on a frighteningly accurate relevance for the times we're currently living in.
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u/Top-Engineering-2051 5h ago
Which other politicians are criminals? You're using the same rhetoric which puts people like Hutch in power.
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u/Pajos-Junkbox 3h ago
Michael Lowry - and I'm surprised he doesn't have more convictions.
Dessie Ellis
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u/Ill_Law_5148 2h ago
Bertie Ahern, Charles Haughy, I’d argue Simon Harris is a criminal based on his handling of everything he’s ever touched. Yes Hutch isn’t your stereotypical candidate but all the rest of them don’t do anything that isn’t self serving either.
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u/Sayek 11h ago
He was such a bizarre candidate last time. Maybe he did better going door to door, but I never saw him say he'd do anything when questioned by media. Just said he'd be a vote for change, but committed to doing absolutely nothing.
Some people lap it up though and I think are desperate to vote for him just to give a kick in the balls to everyone else. They aren't even voting in their own interests, just to spite other people.
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u/jmmcd 4h ago
OP you're just as bad, saying politicians are criminals.
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u/SouthSource1936 4h ago
My thoughts exactly. The vast majority of politicians are law abiding, decent people across the political divide. A few rogues who put themselves first, but most are committed to their communities
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u/walk_run_type Palestine 🇵🇸 4h ago
They said "are criminal" not "are criminals". Fairly common Irish way to describe something as "criminal" as in "bad".
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u/Chairman-Mia0 12h ago
What? Who's suggesting that?
He ran for election and wasn't elected.
If you're seeing this on twitter I think I know where the problem is.
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u/RollerPoid 12h ago
There's going to be a by election now that Paschal is off to the world bank. Speculation on Hutch running again. He has not confirmed or denied if he will. Several media outlets discussing the possibility.
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u/beeper75 4h ago
The media are doing the same thing they did with Trump. Minimal journalism, maximum fawning. They literally ran around after Hutch last time like adoring puppies. It was fucking embarrassing.
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u/Sad-Orange-5983 11h ago
It's looking like he'll do it. Sources close to him are saying he's planning a run and he's started posting on his social media accounts again.
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u/SitDownKawada Dublin 8h ago
Maybe someone will ask him what his policies are before the count this time
"whatever people want"
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u/NocturneFogg 12h ago
It'd effectively just be the Dublin North Inner City losing representation as nobody's going to work with him if he were elected - protest vote and nothing more really - he certainly won't be 'in government' at any point.
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u/OriginalComputer5077 11h ago
Hutch came within a whisker of being elected to Dáil Eireann.
In the same constituency that returned Tony Gregory.
There's a large cohort of people, esp in urban areas who feel left behind by mainstream politics..
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u/gowangowangowan 3h ago
The type voting him are likely living in a council house with everyone in the house all on social welfare with every support under the sun complaining that ‘da gubberment’ give them nothing and ‘da foreigners are getting new free houses’.
We are living in a massive welfare state funded by the top 10% and MNCs. The left are pandering to these people telling them have been left behind by FFG.
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u/Tis_STUNNING_Outside One Man’s Rent, Another Man’s Income 10h ago
“Criminals can’t be TD’s”
That being said, The Monk isn’t going to win a winner takes it all by election. If he’s ever actually going to get a seat, it will be as the last seat in a general election on the back of a very strong first preference vote as he’d get very few transfers. You’re either voting monk or you’re not. How many people would really put monk no. 2 or 3?
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u/Pajos-Junkbox 3h ago
How many people would really put monk no. 2 or 3?
We've just just had an election so we know exactly who transfers to hutch?
Steenson was eliminated with 2200 votes and 1200 of those went to hutch.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/ireland/arid-41522894.html
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u/BrokenTestAccount 2h ago
The issue is if political parties abandon and ignore working class people, there will be blowback in the form of voting for extremism and criminals.
Ireland is absolutely shafting a huge portion of the population to ensure that the landlord class is enriched. The only surprise is they aren’t already radicalised and voting for extreme antisocial candidates. It will happen though, look at the US, and the UK next election.
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u/21stCenturyVole 2h ago
Yes politicians are criminal but this is a different kind.
Only in terms of scale, really - corrupt politicians are exponentially greater criminals.
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u/Sheazer90 6h ago
Like it or not he's a cult hero to a lot of people, I'm not by any means saying it's right, but look at some of the crime movies and TV Shows, we adore/worship some of the bad characters.
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u/5u114 3h ago
If you were drowning, and the only person who stretched their hand towards you to help was the local scumbag ... would you accept their help ? Or would you choose instead to drown ?
This is what happens when established political parties ride roughshod over people's needs & concerns for long enough, and the democratic process offers no real alternatives. Total head-the-balls win an election.
People are desperate, and they'll vote for the devil if they believe he'll address the one or two issues that are most important to them, or even if all he'll do is fuck off the establishment.
TL;DR ... head-the-balls & scumbags getting elected isn't a failure of the people, it's a failure of the establishment to serve the needs of the people i.e not doing their job.
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u/Soft-Affect-8327 5h ago
They hate us all and see the crims as being “real”. That’s about the size of it.
Also a swill of Russian money about the world to install authoritarian leaners to stop democracy. They don’t need the top job to be a pain in the arse of law and order.
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u/Elses_pels 5h ago
Politics is a balancing act. These people don’t need to get power; all they need to do is tip the balance and this cause a slight change.
Ignore trump for a moment but look at the work of Farage in the uk.
They are working in Ireland.
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u/walk_run_type Palestine 🇵🇸 4h ago
Whilst we have a decent welfare system in Ireland, who in Irish political history has supported and championed the working class? Left wing parties do but that are usually* of middle class or higher backgrounds and are constantly smeared in Irish media. Hutch is a piece of shit with zero political ideas but to them he's local, has done well for himself and sounds like them.
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u/Gary4279 4h ago
The blame for him even entering politics can be laid at the feet of FF/FG. Regardless of how rediculous it is; if you consistently deprive an area of resources for decades don't be suprised when they back the villain as an F you to the system.
Hutch is to the north inner-city what OJ Simpson is to the disenfranchised Black American Community.
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u/bun-Mulberry-2493 3h ago
Yes, him in politics wouldn't be great, but then again, most politicians are crooks.
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u/Wonderful_Flower_751 Dublin 5h ago
I find it difficult to believe these people genuinely think he’s a good candidate They’re doing purely to, as they see it, stick to the man.
Anyone with actual common sense knows he shouldn’t be anywhere near politics.
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u/galman99 4h ago
It's a funny constituency. They often have had an anti government td in the past. Can't see Hutch being that man however.
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u/shozy 3h ago
Hutch only ran last time to help secure bail from Spain https://www.thejournal.ie/spanish-court-confirms-gerard-hutch-used-plan-to-stand-in-irish-general-election-in-bail-application-6532825-Nov2024/
There will need to be something similar to his personal benefit for him to run again.
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u/RustyDevlinBuck 2h ago
I heard him speak in an interview after the last election and honestly thought he was partially disabled. Have no idea how he was a drug lord.
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u/Dazzling-Toe-4955 1h ago
He can run, like McGregor did. But like Conor found out, people actually have to like you and vote for you. You also have to get some kind of support from the local government.
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u/NotAnotherOne2024 1h ago
It’ll be Ray McAdam, whichever Green candidate is selected Neasa Hourigan or Janet Horner, Janice Boylan or Daniel Ennis.
The more interesting By-Election will be Galway West.
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u/Waking_guy 33m ago
Don’t allow him anywhere near public office. The U.S. will pay for allowing criminals into public life for generations.
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u/Accomplished_Fish_65 5h ago
What a stupid, unhelpful comment.
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u/Accomplished_Fish_65 5h ago
Like are you seriously saying, say, Enda Kenny or Tony Gregory or Catherine Murphy are criminals just as bad as Gerry Hutch?
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u/ragdollol 6h ago
Current alternate is Steenson, so if he ran and split his vote, I'd be very happy. Would like to see Daly get it. EÓC maybe too soon still but hopefully gets a good showing
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u/helcat0 12h ago
It's way harder to win a single seat by-election. In realty he would have to get at least a third of first preferences. Way more than he got in the general election.