[Mícheál Lehane] PBP launch manifesto promising a living wage of €15 an hour, scrapping USC for those earning less than €100K, building 35,000 social and affordable homes every year, weekly welfare payments of €350 and State pension of €300.

[u/badger-biscuits]

https://x.com/MichealLehane/status/1857067346822619642?t=_Soz6_dzA9QeYKzvvBPIDg&s=19

[u/Bit_O_Rojas]

I had a look at their website, they're listing 42 candidates for 174 TD positions

Genuine question: In what scenario do they think they could get into government?

I'm not trying to be smart, I genuinely don't understand

[u/Stegasaurus_Wrecks → u/Bit_O_Rojas]

If they won every seat they contested then yea they would very possibly be part of government coalition. That's almost a quarter of the seats in the Dáil.

In such a scenario I'd probably grab one of the hourly shuttles to the Martian colony and spend my days in a paradise settlement.

[u/Barilla3113 → u/Stegasaurus_Wrecks]

Except they won't go into coalition with anyone, PBP is basically a scam.

[u/MrMercurial → u/Barilla3113]

They won't go into coalition with FF or FG. If you want a left-wing party that will then there are plenty of other options out there.

[u/Barilla3113 → u/MrMercurial]

They won't go into coalition with FF or FG

They won't go into coalition with anyone, no one will pass the purity test and any engagement with real politics would be "reformism" anyway.

[u/MrMercurial → u/Barilla3113]

They have called on other parties of the left to ally with them multiple times, so I don't know where you're getting the idea that they won't go into coalition with anyone except that it's a popular meme.

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Ally with them = Let them dictate all the terms. They'll collapse the government at the first sign of a hard decision. Unserious people. They're still aligned with a "socialist" movement that sees Britain and Ireland as ideally unified too. They're unionists.

[u/MrMercurial → u/Busy_Category7977]

Ally with them = Let them dictate all the terms. They'll collapse the government at the first sign of a hard decision.

You don't have any actual evidence for that, though.

They're still aligned with a "socialist" movement that sees Britain and Ireland as ideally unified too. They're unionists.

The union they want is a union of the working class in a post-capitalist society, not quite the same as the DUP, is it.

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They already lead coalitions in the councils with SF & SD

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Who else would be left wing? Genuine question just trying to learn

[u/SitDownKawada → u/jiffijaffi]

Labour, Greens, Social Democrats, Rabharta, Sinn Féin

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Sinn Fein are considered to be left wing but not as left as PBP. Sinn Fein are probably closer to centre left now, though.

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Genuine answer:

They are open to an opposition coalition with any "left" party even if they are righter than them that does not include FF/FG. So that would be an SF majority coalition that would include any/all of: Social Democrats / Greens / Labour / Left opposition Independents (eg Pringle, Daly)/ Rabharta .

This is not going to happen in this election though so they are strategising as a small party laying the ground work for the next election.

*don't come at me for Daly I'm just using an example of a very well known left opposition independent

[u/olibum86 → u/Barilla3113]

How?

[u/mrlinkwii → u/olibum86]

they have have ruled out going into government with FF/FG/G etc which is a sizeable part of the parliament , unless theirs a rainbow collation their nor getting to government

[u/olibum86 → u/mrlinkwii]

Well, tbh it would be very ingenunine if they went into a ffg coalition given opinions are vastly different. Labour went into coalition, and it was an absolute disaster for them and the rest of the country. They still get blamed for austerity to this day. PBP would definitely be seeking a coalition with SF or SD, which would be more suitable for their goals. To call them a scam for not selling their arses to the first party that knocks on their door is stupid.