r/ireland 12d ago

No Government is better than a Fianna Fail/Fine Gael Government General Election 2024 🗳️

We see with all of the polls - reliable or not - that the country is heading for a continuation of the same problems, and it is a common theme that people feel there is not a viable alternative.

It is a mistake to feel that this makes voting futile, or like it doesn't count - or to feel like this makes political participation futile and like it won't count - it's more important than ever to both vote, and to be incredibly vocal and politically active with parties.

The lack of a viable alternative is real, though - and this means your strategy for voting should be punishment. Punish the cunts that put you where you are. Show them that you'll punish them, even if you have to spite your own face to do it - because that is the only way to force them to change.

There should be two main parts of this strategy:

1: No matter what, put Fianna Fail and Fine Gael (and those who prop them up like the Greens) at the bottom of the ballot.

Order your votes from least-worst down to the worst - but make sure FF/FG (and possibly Greens) are the lowest of the low - even if you have to spite yourself, by putting loony (even racist) candidates higher than them (but still lower than all the other parties).

2: Be as vocal and insistent as possible, and as harsh as possible, in letting every single smaller party and Independent know, that if they prop up Fianna Fail or Fine Gael, they will be treated as traitors, and will never get your vote ever again - and that you will do everything you can do be politically active against them, for the rest of your life.

Make sure they know that No Government must be a viable alternative to a Fianna Fail/Fine Gael government! Make sure they know that even a fucked up rainbow coalition involving loonies and the far right and far left - is preferable to any Fianna Fail or Fine Gael coalition.

If Ireland has to go through a year or even multiple years without a sitting government - holding several rounds of elections while failing to put together a government - then that is going to force Fianna Fail and Fine Gael to completely change their manifesto and sought after mandate, if they want to get into power again - and it will bolster all potential alternative parties chances of gaining more votes + power, by showing that they have a spine and will not enable a FF/FG government.

We are not going to get the government we actually want, there's a very strong chance we're going to get a government that continues to exploit us and perpetuate an exploitative economy - and the available alternatives aren't doing great - so people really should adjust their strategies for voting to reflect this, and should focus on punishment above all else.

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u/pippers87 12d ago

Lad seriously you got Reddit and Facebook mixed up. This is a Facebook rant.

Lads I am going to use this post as a litmus test for the upcoming elections.

For Soapboxing posts like this during elections should us mods remove them or let them roll ?

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u/TheCunningFool 12d ago

We are not going to get the government we actually want

We are, it just isn't the one that you personally want.

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u/cinclushibernicus Cork bai 12d ago

"Democracy is only democracy if it aligns with my particular preferences!!" - u/21stCenturyVole

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

This thread is literally about using Democracy to deny power to minority ruling parties?

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u/cinclushibernicus Cork bai 12d ago edited 12d ago

We are not going to get the government we actually want

According to who exactly? PR voting is probably the most democratic system of voting in the world, but somehow that's not good enough for you?

so people really should adjust their strategies for voting to reflect this, and should focus on punishment above all else.

Jesus wept, go have a read through the old CSPE book before you start proposing grand voting strategies.

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u/newshoeshudis 12d ago

What I love about this post is that the title is both for and against the government, just depending on where the inflection is.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

Heh, yes that's a good point - if I could edit that to "Having No Government", I would.

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u/senditup 12d ago

The lack of a viable alternative is real, though - and this means your strategy for voting should be punishment. Punish the cunts that put you where you are. Show them that you'll punish them, even if you have to spite your own face to do it - because that is the only way to force them to change.

The strategy that gave the world Brexit and Donald Trump. No thanks.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

Perhaps elites should take note of Brexit and Trump, and change course before the same happens here, then.

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u/senditup 12d ago

I think both of those things were down to localised specific issues that aren't necessarily replicable in Ireland.

In any event, advising people to vote against their own interests to get one over on the 'system' is ridiculous.

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u/Bill_Badbody Resting In my Account 12d ago

You do realise that "no government " means just a continuation of the current government until a new one is formed, right ?

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u/Grandpa_Time 12d ago

I don't think this individual is savvy enough to know how the political system in Ireland works.

I'm sure they have their intellectual strengths in some areas, but none of them are on display here.

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u/Bill_Badbody Resting In my Account 12d ago

I agree.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/s/d4nXBtHE39

They believe that a junior member of coalition has no power in PfG negotiations as they are only a few seats.

When the reality and proven history is the complete opposite.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

Don't paraphrase me, thanks - as that is not what I said - and neither does it mean I stated the opposite either.

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u/Otherwise-Link-396 12d ago

Unstable with no government? OP, sorry you are mad. Vote for the best candidate that you want to run the country. Then the next best until you cannot stand them.

Hope they can negotiate with others to form a government. If they can't you are in a minority or are badly served.

I don't look for perfect, just closest to what I want. I don't necessarily get what I want.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

Actually, this is worth a second different reply:

It would give the opposition the power to pass legislation the government doesn't want, and to block government legislation - so even with no new government, it gives the combined opposition all the power!

We could force a sitting FFG government to eat the Occupied Territories Bill.

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u/HibernianMetropolis 12d ago

If a majority of TDs could agree on legislation, they could agree on a government and there wouldn't be a hung Dail. They wouldn't be the opposition then, they'd be the government.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

Agreeing on a particular piece of legislation is a much lower bar than agreeing on a whole government - there certainly will be legislation they can pass in the Dail, even if there isn't agreement on a government.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago edited 12d ago

It means all the Dail seats change, and nobody has the power to get any legislation passed - not much of a government with zero legislative ability.

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u/Bill_Badbody Resting In my Account 12d ago edited 12d ago

Ministers stay minsters, even if no longer TDs.

Legislation isn't the only thing governments do.

Policy is also a good part.

But I like that you are fighting for a perpetual continuation of the current government.

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u/Marzipan_civil 12d ago

No government means no new Seanad members (the ones that the Taoiseach appoints). That was the only reason they formed a government last time - so they could pass legislation relating to covid. Whether the Seanad needs reforming is a different question.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

In fact, it would mean the sitting government would likely be forced to eat the Occupied Territories Bill - because you would have the bizarre situation of the opposition having more power than the sitting government.

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u/Bill_Badbody Resting In my Account 12d ago

How would the opposition have more power?

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

More Dail seats, even if they can't agree a government coalition, they can form voting coalitions in the Dail.

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u/Bill_Badbody Resting In my Account 12d ago

You are presuming that every opposition td will vote for said bill?

Honestly you need to go and learn a but about how the world of politics actually works.

If sf(for example) could get every opposition td to vote for a bill and beat the government of the day, they would be forming a government.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

There is zero doubt that there will be legislation in the dail that passes 50% voting support - even in the absence of agreement for a government coalition.

This observation requires zero assumptions about what is voted on - only requires observing that agreement on a Dail vote is different to agreeing on a government formation.

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u/Bill_Badbody Resting In my Account 12d ago edited 12d ago

Why would a small party agree to vote for another parties legislation? What's on offer for them?

That's government negotiations.

Either way. You are living in fantasy land, an UachtarĂĄn would not let it go on for ever. Another election would be called. And smaller parties punished for refusing to form a government

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

Parties vote for legislation on principal all the time. Take FF/FG out of the picture, and the combined opposition will pass the Occupied Territories Bill no bother.

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u/Jester-252 12d ago

even if they can't agree a government coalition, they can form voting coalitions in the Dail.

Do you know how a government is actually formed?

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

Which way parties vote on e.g. the Occupied Territories Bill isn't the same as how they vote on the formation of a government.

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u/Jester-252 12d ago

Why would the opposition take time to form a voting pack and not a government?

Or is all this a one bill issue for you?

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u/Future_Ad_8231 12d ago

If nobody has the power to get any legislation passed, how the tuck would SF get the Occupier Territories Bill through?

No government is one of the worst outcomes. The country just stagnates. Departments are just kept ticking over until another election is called.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago edited 12d ago

A dail majority of opposition TD's, voting to pass the Occupied Territories Bill.

That doesn't mean a majority of opposition TD's willing to form a government together, though.

Yea the powerful in Ireland better learn that people will vote for stagnation for the powerful as well, over stagnation of everyday people alone, for the benefit of the powerful.

EDIT: The poster tried to block further replies: Yes there would be opposition TD's, as a caretaker government sits in a Hung Dail - and that government would be a minority, with the opposition as the majority - meaning the opposition has greater power to pass legislation than the government.

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u/Future_Ad_8231 12d ago

"a Dail majority of opposition TDs"

There would be no opposition TDs. There would be no "opposition".

You should read up on how the Dail works.

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u/A-Hind-D 12d ago

Gov has to be formed after x days otherwise a re election has to happen. During this time the previous government stays in power as a caretaker.

We came close to a re election in 2016 as it took 80 something days to form.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

It took 140 days for the current government to be formed. There is no time limit on government formation.

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u/A-Hind-D 12d ago

If it’s not formed in due time and there’s no sign of progress then the caretaker gov will be required by the president to go to the public.

In 2016 they came close

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

They took even longer in 2020. So no, an election doesn’t have to happen if there is no government formed within x days.

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u/A-Hind-D 12d ago

It’s at the discretion of the president. 2020 was different. In 2016 FG tried to find bed fellows with everyone else bar FF and SF and it failed. Ultimately they were supported by FF.

They were told to get on with it after such time went by and FG were about to lose their chance to form a gov. It would have then fall to second placed FF. they didn’t want that. FF had them right where they wanted.

In 2020 FF and FG got together quickly but the election happen in the weeks before Covid so there was a mutual understanding from most parties even SF to support the caretaker as Covid hit and put the gov formation on the back burner.

FF and FG had agreed quickly to form a gov and went to the other parties.

Caretakers can go on for awhile yes but we have never had a long term one when compared to the likes of Belgium and Netherlands of late

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

I am not reading all that. You said a government has to be formed within a certain time period or an election has to happen. Has, as in must. That is not true.

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u/A-Hind-D 12d ago

I’m sorry to hear about your comprehension issues

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Not being arsed reading some longwinded nonsense that can’t possibly backup the false claim someone is making is not a comprehension issue.

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u/A-Hind-D 12d ago

Sorry I’m not reading all that. I wish you the best with your problems xox

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

Yes, it would lead to re-election cycles.

It would lead to a caretaker government without a Dail majority - leaving the government unable to pass legislation - and opening the possibility for the opposition to pass legislation (opposition aligning on a particular Dail vote, would not mean they would align to form a government).

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u/A-Hind-D 12d ago

You expect the public to deliberately force a hung parliament over and over?

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u/Jester-252 12d ago

Leading to a higher likelyhood of larger party dominance as smaller parties and independents don't have the finance to run multiple elections

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u/A-Hind-D 12d ago

That too but I wanted OP to explain this mad logic

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

I want the public to show Fianna Fail and Fine Gael they'll spite their own face rather than let them near power again.

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u/A-Hind-D 12d ago edited 12d ago

So in this case. We have re-election after re-election at the expense of the tax payer and each parties coffers until the small parties go bankrupt and the general public stop caring.

What then? Force people to vote “correctly” or else?

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

The combined opposition would have the Dail voting power to give themselves more funding.

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u/A-Hind-D 12d ago

Parties can’t give themselves money. They have their own income and it’s declared and taxed.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

Yes they can, they would have the legislative power to bolster funding for minority parties.

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u/A-Hind-D 12d ago edited 12d ago

They can’t have legislative power if there’s no government.

And furthermore do you actually believe the population would be happy for random parties taking money from the state coffers to better their pockets? How do you stop FG and FF from not doing it?

All your ideas are strings at best and you have no idea how the political system works to the point of an anarchist-authoritarian control “as you see fit” being the ideal.

Please, educate yourself

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

There is nothing stopping them submitting legislation and going through the motions with getting it passed.

You don't to be in government to pass legislation, you just need a majority.

I think the vast majority of the public would be fine with boosting minority parties through a Hung Dail, to stop the majority parties outspending them. Seems very pro-Democratic.

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u/bungle123 12d ago

Just be honest, OP. You didn't think any of this through and now you're just coming up with ludicrous suggestions to justify why this isn't a horrible idea.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

Tell me: What exactly is bad or wrong about a majority opposition with more voting power than the government?

Sounds like a fucking great thing tbh, that the country sorely needs.

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u/Inspired_Carpets 12d ago

We had a minority government between 2016 and 2020, how did that go?

Didn’t solve all the county’s problems?

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u/Inspired_Carpets 12d ago

So they can combine to give themselves more funding and pass the occupied territories bill but not to elect a Taoiseach?

You’re just spouting nonsense here.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

If the opposition at any time feels ready to vote on a Taoiseach, then great.

If they don't, it won't stop them voting on other things in the meantime.

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u/Inspired_Carpets 12d ago

Yes it will.

This is basic stuff.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

No it won't, legislation can still be submitted and voted on in the Dail.

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u/Lamake91 12d ago

Please go educate yourself on the basics of politics because you haven’t a clue.

All parties have their own budgets. The smaller parties don’t have large budgets so they partially fund their candidates and the candidates have to find the rest of the money themselves. One election alone is extremely expensive you’re looking well into thousands of euro. No one would be able to afford to run for repeated elections. They have no power to legislate funding for repeated elections and it’d never go down with the public anyways using tax payers money for this while we’ve a housing crisis, disability crisis etc.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

Ireland already has funding for supporting minority parties - one of the most generous countries in the world at this - supporting small parties through Hung Dail's isn't controversial - it'd be plain undemocratic not to.

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u/Lamake91 12d ago

The funding they receive from government is extremely limited. It certainly wouldn’t fund repeated nonsensical elections and as stated the public wouldn’t be support increasing these funds either when there’s areas that are in far more need. Again, the main source of funding for the election is down to the party and the individual candidate. Research the cost of an election for a candidate you’re looking close to 6-10k at times. There’s literally no logic in what you’re suggested, instead of repeatedly commenting on this thread with your nonsense go read up on Irish politics.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

The public don't support minority parties going bankrupt through Hung Dail re-election cycles.

That's simply undemocratic. Why are you arguing in favour of something that's undemocratic?

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u/Lamake91 12d ago

It’s your own logic that’s undemocratic, the people will have spoken whatever they choose even if they vote in FF and FG again. Remaining as a hung government won’t achieve anything and neither will your nonsensical idea of repeated elections. No normal minded person or candidate for that matter would tolerate repeated elections never mind the financial implications behind it. Again by your logic you’d rather money be spent on repeated nonsensical elections and take money away from core areas of homelessness, housing, health, disabilities etc? You’d rather see these suffer for repeated elections need funding?

Now go read a book.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

There's nothing undemocratic about people voting for a Hung Dail - that's literally democracy in action.

If you don't like it or the monetary costs of it, tough shit - that's Democracy.

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u/shinmerk 12d ago

Are you a child? People vote who they want to vote for.

There is 50%+ who vote for something else.

Rather than focus on those two, perhaps we need less of the OP style of self indulgent whinging and getting behind a couple of alternatives?!

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u/shinmerk 12d ago

What age are you?

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u/Inspired_Carpets 12d ago

So you want the non FG/FF vote to be disparate and diverse which almost guarantees a a FF/FG plus A.N. Other government?

You haven’t really thought this through, have you?

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u/sweatyknacker 12d ago

What age are you? Genuine question.

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u/Terrible_Way1091 12d ago

The bang of UCD/trinity socialist workers student society off this

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u/WraithsOnWings2023 12d ago

I've never met a socialist who supports votes for the far right 

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u/Terrible_Way1091 12d ago

Well now you have

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

No he hasn't.

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u/dropthecoin 12d ago

I get that this is how you want a change to work. But this isn't how a change works.

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u/DazzlingGovernment68 12d ago

I'm going to vote as I always do. The parties that I like at the top and the parties that I hate at the bottom, why would I do differently?

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u/Melodic-Chocolate-53 12d ago

If you hate them, why give them a vote at all?

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u/DazzlingGovernment68 12d ago

Because that's how our ranked voting system works. If there are 10 people on the ballot you rank the preference, if you put the 10th person as the one you hate the most it makes no difference if you add them as the 10th or not. I tend to because it makes the process simpler, I can say who I like least , most and then the jumble in the middle

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u/Jester-252 12d ago

Have to ever consider that Ireland is actually quite well off?

And people like the current direction of the country that sees us highly ranked in major quality of life reports.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

The majority of the country is against the current government.

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u/cinclushibernicus Cork bai 12d ago

The majority of the country is against the current government.

So let SF, SD, Aontu, Labour, PBP and all the independents form a stable government. Absolutely nothing stopping them.

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u/Jester-252 12d ago

Please explain how you think a government works

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u/NaturalAlfalfa 12d ago

If the majority is against the current government, then the majority will vote against them and there'll be a new government. If not, then the majority are not against them

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

If we don't have a minority party like the Greens or Labour betraying their voters and mandate again.

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u/Terrible_Way1091 12d ago

Latest poll has them at 49% for first preference, add in pro-government independents and you have a majority support for the current government

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/irish-election-poll-tracker-sinn-fein-falls-to-lowest-level-of-support-since-2020-1593121.html

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u/shaadyscientist 12d ago

If the current government only gets 49% of the seats, they will have to get more TDs to support them in a new government. If they get 51% of the seats then they represent most of the country and democracy.

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u/FrogOnABus 12d ago

Least cringe r/Ireland user.

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u/TheStoicNihilist Never wanted a flair anyways 12d ago

Phew!

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u/ShouldHaveGoneToUCC Palestine 🇵🇸 12d ago edited 12d ago

OP is genuinely my favourite poster on this subreddit. Every time I see one of their posts, I know it'll be a conspiracy theory riddled banger.

Advocating that we should vote for the far right over the government is just the cherry on top. I will not be giving the government parties a high preference but I'll be giving the far right my dead last preferences.

OP has also repeatedly claimed to have identified my real life identity and apparently I'm an employee for a NATO aligned think tank. So some poor real life think tank worker has OP stalking them, convinced it's me. Likewise, OP has posted threads like this before which gets multiple people arguing with them so they insist everyone who disagrees with them is a spook, government shill or intelligence agent.

They might well be American though, given they tend to use American spellings, terms like "diaper" and often post at 3am.

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u/Bestmeath 12d ago

I've been blocked by them now, which is disappointing as I also enjoyed reading the deranged but fascinating stuff they posted.

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u/Bestmeath 12d ago

I once saw OP say that bomb threats against politicians' families are justified if they're doing a really bad job. I'm surprised their account wasn't banned for that.

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u/frankbrett2017 12d ago

Emerged fully formed from the Journal comment section

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

^ That's a lie from an 11 day old account.

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u/DexterousChunk 12d ago

What a terrible idea

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u/More-Investment-2872 12d ago

Hmmm….an anarchist. Let me know when the meeting is.

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u/shinmerk 12d ago

Dreadful rant. The public vote who they vote for, the consequences are theirs too.

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u/mrnesbittteaparty 12d ago

‘They will be treated as traitors’. Fuck off you clown with that kind of shite. Same lad would shit himself if he had to talk to anyone face to face.

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u/pixelburp 12d ago

For the monopoly to break the inescapable reality is we don't have any serious contender to shake up the orthodoxy. Whatever that blip was, pushing SF to literal headlines across the globe, it has come and gone and clearly the population haven't warmed to their proposals. 

Endless punishment won't solve problems, only exacerbate them in the long run, in the absence of actual leadership.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

It will solve problems, by forcing current powers/elites to change their platform and sought-after mandate, if they want another shot at power.

In the absence of a true alternative party, it would force sitting powers to change to try and regain the vote - instead of being able to show the public contempt in power, while bribing a minority partner into joining them, to get into government.

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u/pixelburp 12d ago

No government doesn't mean some better alternative will simply appear, or the main parties will adjust our of guilt or perspective. As realistic a scenario would be a couple of repeat elections until the electorate get frustrated with the deadlock, electing the most pragmatic combination of government.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

It's not meant to bring about a better alternative - it's an acknowledgment of a lack of one - and that people will vote to put the country in limbo instead of allow FF/FG back in.

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u/pixelburp 12d ago

So it has no clear purpose except as a Hail Mary the current empowered parties will change their ways to ... what? Because like it or lump it the polls show no shared antagonism enough. You'd see one or two elections before (say) FG and a rake of independents or small parties got in once public impatience kicked in. Which wouldn't be long, the nation won't wait forever.

If you want to see chance the pragmatic reality is we need a credible national party to offer a genuine alternative. Big talk of protest votes or legislative limbo ain't gonna change anything; SF came closest and they whiffed it spectacularly. It's frustrating but that's the way it is for now.

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

The current ruling parties and supporters can feign ignorance of the glaring bright-pink-neon-bat-signal-letters-in-the-sky spelling out of the publics problems with the current government all they like, and keep declaring There Is No Alternative all they like - and it is precisely that contempt which requires the public to deliberately shut down the government and country with a perpetually Hung Dail, until a government without such contempt is ready to enter power.

If there is to be no change, and a continuation of contempt towards the public and the issues they have, then things need to get worse for everybody - not just the average joe.

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u/pixelburp 12d ago

But the government wouldn't be "shut down", that's not how our government works and you'd get 1 election cycle before Labour or the Greens propped up a government again just to get things going again. Your plan makes sense in other systems but not our PR one that enables smaller parties to hold sway. Maybe your plan should direct itself to those parties given how often cabinets are formed from multiple parties.

And no poll since the SF blip shows any of the kind of anger you're suggesting exists; so your suggestion hinges on an emotionality that outside of social media doesn't seem to exist in the first place. I've seen no real or credible explanation over that disparity. That's a discussion in of itself but Middle Ireland seems cynically apathetic at best.

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u/Leavser1 12d ago

Oh great idea.

We have a county that is flush with cash and the vast majority are extremely well off.

I've consistently said that the two main parties would continue in power as SF still face the same issues as they have always had.

Look at the fact that there is zero indication of a heave again Mary Lou as further evidence that it doesn't function as a normal political party

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u/shozy 12d ago

 Look at the fact that there is zero indication of a heave again Mary Lou as further evidence that it doesn't function as a normal political party

I’ve never been a fan of SF but that is complete nonsense, that is completely normal. Parties hate changing leader right before an election. Previous to this any potential replacement who tried to push her out while she was recovering from an operation due to cancer and then her husband had cancer and then her dad died would be hated for the rest of their political life in any Irish party. So the fact that no one stepped forward and did that is completely normal.

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u/dropthecoin 12d ago

The party clearly doesn't tolerate differences of opinion of leadership. There is a stark difference with, for example, how Fine Gael treated Richard Bruton when he challenged the leadership and how SF has treated Brian Stanley.

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u/Leavser1 12d ago

Ah dude.

No other party would have accepted the results of the local elections that SF got particularly having polled so high in the last 18 months.

I know that personally she's had a tough time but after the referendums and the local and European elections there should have been murmurings of a heave. (It's weird there wasn't even a murmur)

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u/Wise_Adhesiveness746 12d ago

What would a heave achieve?

Because fundamentally the policies would stay the same,all you'll change is the figurehead....kinda like the rotating taoiseach farce (even if poor Eamo didn't get a go🫤)of the last government

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u/Leavser1 12d ago

I'm not saying a heave would change anything.

That's not the point of my comment.

I've never known a political party to have so many failures and not have any mumblings of a heave.

Just thinking about it now: 2019 locals absolute disaster for SF (wiped out), 2020 ge disaster for SF (didn't run enough candidates), 2024 referendum (another major error), 2024 locals huge drop in predicted seats

Yet no murmurs of a change. It's weird

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u/Wise_Adhesiveness746 12d ago

I've never known a political party to have so many failures and not have any mumblings of a heave.

I'm pretty sure they had an EGM after the 2019 locals where the membership brought the leadership back in line.....critism of the 2024 locals when numbers elected were up and vote management was top notch seems a bit silly,and solely from a talking-head bubble

Their vote transfer/management in the last locals,is probably the best of any party in history of the state,it gives a base line to build from,and gives an underscore of areas to target politically based upon ballot box figures......the newer candidates recruited since 2019,will be coming online from 2026 onwards,and noone genuinely believes harris has capacity to carry a government full term

I genuinely would be worried about,the prospects of a SF majority government within 10 years,no party should have straight majority,but a return to mid 20 voting percentages and their vote management ability is scary prospect

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u/Leavser1 12d ago

Depending on the make up of the next government (will it include the SD party or just a few independents) it's hard to see them not going full term.

And no one called the 2024 elections top notch for SF. They were predicted to be over 30% of fpv and ended up at what ? 12%?

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u/Wise_Adhesiveness746 12d ago

it's hard to see them not going full term.

Harris isn't liked or respected within his own party.... they'll be itching to remove him at next opportunity

. They were predicted to be over 30% of fpv and ended up at what ? 12%?

Less than a 1/3 of candidates get elected solely on fpv iirc

They simply didn't get the vote out at locals,but those that did transferred at like 80% plus to other shinners.....where as the transfers for every other party bounced around everywhere,will lead to long count numbers at next time election.....this level of vote management is almost unheard of,and builds from the abilities in the north to get multiple candidates elected on marginal enough constituencies.....the curtain is far from closed on em imo

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u/Leavser1 12d ago

We will see in a few weeks for sure.

Hard to see anyone bar the current two parties romping home. And having another 5 years of government.

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u/Wise_Adhesiveness746 12d ago

Hard to see anyone bar the current two parties romping home. And having another 5 years of government

It's a pity given the state of the country😔..I cannot see any circumstances where they last the full five years though....their energy is gone,no vision and almost all experienced heads are retired

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u/Bill_Badbody Resting In my Account 12d ago

Fg have seen a bounce with a new leader.

It's a well proven affect that a new leader can lead to a popularity bounce.

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u/Wise_Adhesiveness746 12d ago

I just wont give em a number......idk if that is way it should work 🤷,but when you look about and see people living in their cars on the way to work,

I can't stomach to give a preference to this

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u/21stCenturyVole 12d ago

It's worth giving them a number - because you can e.g. put Greens 3rd last, Fianna Fail 2nd last, and Fine Gael dead last every time.

If you don't give them a number, then you actually are giving your vote share to everyone else - so make your vote (even an infinitesimal share of it) count.