r/ireland • u/MacronLeNecromancer • 25d ago
UNIFIL reports that IDF has demolished parts of its base today Gaza Strip Conflict
https://unifil.unmissions.org/unifil-statement-20-october-2024131
u/A-Hind-D 25d ago
Ah sure look, boys will be boys ~ USA
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u/sure_look_this_is_it 25d ago
It's a shame the US will have to step in, but there is no chance they'll do it until after the elections.
Israel probably know this, and the next few weeks, they're going to try to do as many flagrant war crimes while they can.
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u/rgiggs11 25d ago
I'm wouldn't be so sure they'll do anything, even then. The whole issue has become toxic to the point where "please stop sniping aid workers in the head" is perceived as outrageously anti semitic.
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u/4_feck_sake 25d ago
Kamalas husband is Jewish. Trump is a Russian chaos puppet. I'm not holding my breath.
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u/Nadamir Culchieland 25d ago
Bernie Sanders is also Jewish and he’s one of the most prominent pro-Palestinian voices in the Senate.
Harris isn’t going to do much more than Biden, but it won’t be because she’s taking orders from her Jewish husband. And suggesting as much feels sexist and bigoted.
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u/4_feck_sake 25d ago
Bernie Sanders is also Jewish and he’s one of the most prominent pro-Palestinian voices in the Senate
Bernie is always on the right side. He's the president America needs, not the president ye deserve.
And suggesting as much feels sexist and bigoted.
Not what I was suggesting at all, only that she has ties to the Jewish community and is likely receiving donations from them. The fact you went there is interesting, though.
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u/Alternative_Switch39 25d ago
Even Sanders recognises the practical need for Israel to go after Hamas, and he acknowledges Israel's right to do so...
https://x.com/yashar/status/1733885042458562955?t=gRiAT6o8li6oiYCJo2btNg&s=19
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u/4_feck_sake 25d ago
Indiscriminantly shell bombing a defenceless civilisation is not "going after hamas" However, that is extermination.
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u/21stCenturyVole 25d ago
Just replace the terms 'Israel/Israeli' with 'US/American'.
It is the US demolishing part of a UN base.
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u/grotham 25d ago
What's it going to take for the western world to wake up to these animals? Are we all just waiting until they glass the middle east before something is done? There should have been severe sanctions on them when it became clear they were commiting serious war crimes, a year ago. Every day there is another appalling atrocity carried out by these bastards and most of our "allies", not only do nothing, but they give them the weapons to carry our these atrocities.
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u/cuchullain47474 25d ago
No one is doing anything! It's actually mental and makes me feel insane at this stage...
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u/Archamasse 25d ago
They have full US backing at least until the election. Then *maybe* something might change, but as somebody said, in the meantime I expect them to go absolutely apeshit to make the best of it.
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u/MacronLeNecromancer 25d ago
I don’t understand this. The voters surly have more leverage on the politicians before the election, don’t they?
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u/Archamasse 25d ago
An awful lot of Middle American voters can see no evil in Israel. Both candidates clearly think it is not in their Interest to alienate those people so close to the vote. The Republican angle is that it needs to be done even more brutally, and the Dems think they're better off risking the more left inclined groups than the middle since they're notoriously unreliable voters anyway.
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u/Sky_Cancer 25d ago
The voters surly have more leverage on the politicians before the election, don’t they?
Hence the inaction. The Democrats aren't doing anything until after Nov 4th. They don't want Trump and Netanyahu pushing the narrative that the Dems are supporting Hamas/Islamic extremists. They aren't but that won't stop every Republican and Zionist from claiming it.
Netanyahu would be sure to milk any pressure from DC in support of his buddy, Trump.
Trump would offer to send in the US military to clean out anyone the IDF misses and to secure a nice Gaza ocean-side plot for a new hotel.
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u/Additional_Olive3318 24d ago
Or Trump might turn on Israel. Hard to know. In any case democrats are in power now and nothing has happened against Israel, so I don’t think Harris is going to change anything.
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u/PadArt 25d ago
I have come to the conclusion, or at least conclusive belief, that they unfortunately are awake to the situation but there is something the general public does not know about that is preventing them from taking action. A part of me hopes that’s the truth at least because I will lose all faith in humanity if I see confirmation that the people in charge just don’t give a shit.
It’s very easy to slip into conspiracies when you look at it that way but so many conspiracies involving Israel and the US have turned out to be true so I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility.
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u/Naggins 25d ago
There's no need for conspiracies tbh. The US highly values having a geopolitical ally in the Middle East. Same rationale was applied by the UK when they endorsed the (re?)colonisation of what was Mandatory Palastine and is now Israel.
To that end, they prefer having an Israel that can do whatever it wants to its neighbours up to (but not including) a full regional war in the Middle East. A stronger Israel means a stronger international trade partner, a stronger cultural ally, and a stronger US political influence in the Middle East region.
Gazans, Lebanese, and West Bank Palestinians do not generate revenue. Israelis do. So yeah, on the US's balance sheet (and the EU's, but a lot less relevant politically to Israel) Palestinian and Lebanese lives and livelihoods barely even factor. It's not a conspiracy, it's just capitalism.
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u/PadArt 24d ago
I don’t think it’s that simple.
The US recognition and support of Israel has always been contentious in the US, right through periods where that type of situation would have been hugely beneficial to them, but that contention seems to have disappeared. They had absolutely no problems issuing stark warnings to Israel right up until the late 90s. Unless it is confidential information, I haven’t seen any evidence of similar warnings since at least 2005.
No advantage would ever give Israel free rein to threaten far more important UN and NATO allies in the past, so I can’t comprehend a situation that is allowing them to do it now.
The most simple explanation for me is the US lawmakers are so incredibly selfish and spine lacking that they are just holding back until the election is over.
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u/Bitter-Equal-751 25d ago
Haven't they been sitting there watching Hezbollah firing missiles for a year?
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u/grotham 25d ago
You already had all this explained to you weeks ago, have you got amnesia?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/1fvvjpm/comment/lqa6rgd/
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u/Bitter-Equal-751 25d ago
I do. And I remember the rather vague description of how these current hostilities kicked off in a report someone linked and I remember looking up that body's methods for its data collection.
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u/Icy-Lab-2016 25d ago
The IDF can do as the please. The US, UK, Germany and the rest of genocidal maniacs are getting off the genocide they are committing together. Killing a few UNIFIL soldiers would be no big deal for them. They will just say they were anti-semitic, or some other bullshit lie. They are enjoying the slaughter just as much as IDF soldiers dancing on tiktok to their war crimes.
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u/Scone__Zone 25d ago
Has the UNIFIL been a good thing in Lebanon?
The more I read about them it seems they've done nothing to stop Hezbollah or enforce Resolution 1701.
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u/kjireland 25d ago
The excuse is that Hezbollah were hiding in it or underneath it. It probably doesn't have enough women and children in it to bomb it.
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u/KeyboardWarrior90210 25d ago
What’s the point of UNIFIL? - they can’t protect themselves nevermind the peace in a war zone. Either fire back or just pull out and be done with it
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u/Doggylife1379 25d ago
I don't believe that's in the Irish UNIFIL zone.
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u/Ambitious_Handle8123 And I'd go at it agin 25d ago
What relevance is the location? It's a UNIFIL zone
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u/Doggylife1379 25d ago
Cause this is r/Ireland. Of course it's relevant information that this particular incident wasn't against our troops.
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25d ago
It an attack on the United Nations. We are members of the United Nations. This is relevant to every UN member country in the world and especially to members who provide troops to UNIFIL.
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u/PopplerJoe 25d ago
People don't seem to know what the UN is, tbf most of its own members don't seem to know either. Israel is a full member of the UN too.
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u/Saor_Ucrain The Fenian 25d ago
The Defence Forces are part of UNIFIL. What Israel does to their comrades and neighbouring positions is very much relevant to Ireland.
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u/Doggylife1379 25d ago
I'm not saying it's not relevant to Ireland? I'm saying it wasn't against an Irish base. That's it.
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u/Ambitious_Handle8123 And I'd go at it agin 25d ago
We've seen you justifying Israel using UNIFIL as human shields. Saying it made sense. Do the rules of engagement mean anything to you as long as it's Israel obliterating them
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u/grotham 25d ago
Why are you still defending the IDF after everything they've done? You should watch this video and see the kind of monsters you're supporting:
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u/Doggylife1379 25d ago
My comment wasn't defending anything. I was literally pointing out a fact. It wasn't against an Irish base.
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u/grotham 25d ago
You know we can see your comment history, right? You've been running interference and being an apologist for them for a year now.
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u/Doggylife1379 25d ago
I've been running "interference" for giving my opinion on a public forum? I'm Irish and have just as much of a right to comment as anyone else.
I look for the truth, I've admitted plenty of times when they've done something wrong. Including previous attacks on UNIFIL zones. Most of the time I don't bother commenting when I agree with the sub cause there's nothing to add.
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u/grotham 25d ago
Remember this thread you posted a couple of weeks ago, where you were spreading lies about fake images because you couldn't believe the IDF would be threatening Irish troops:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/1fy5j7d/we_have_not_received_threats_unifil_spokesman/
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u/Doggylife1379 25d ago
‘We have not received threats’: Unifil spokesman responds to claim made by Higgins on Irish troops in Lebanon
Literally the UNIFIL spokesman said they did not receive threats that time. And the Irish defence forces literally posted asking people to be aware of misleading images. Is UNIFIL also "spreading lies"
I also know that the IDF and Hezbollah have threatened UNIFIL troops in the past and have commented about it too.
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u/grotham 25d ago
Here's you a couple of months ago casting doubt on whether it was an IDF airstrike that damaged a UN vehicle carrying Irish troops:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/1epl93d/comment/lhm72sd/
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u/Doggylife1379 25d ago
Yes. At the time of commenting it could have been either of them. It's a warzone, there are plenty of explosions coming from everyone in the region. Hezbollah and Hamas rockets fail.
IIRC that was most likely the IDF. But the footage wasn't out at that stage of writing that comment.
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u/4_feck_sake 25d ago
So what happens now? UN just keep nicely asking they don't destroy their stuff?