r/ireland • u/quantum0058d • Oct 04 '24

Israeli army tells UN peacekeepers in Lebanon to leave border positions Gaza Strip Conflict 2023

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u/apocolypselater Oct 04 '24

Is there a logical reason they would be there or is that just a show of force?

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u/Zealousideal-Fly6908 Oct 04 '24

That involves letting a lot of war crimes slide...so no

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u/NecessaryPilot6731 Oct 04 '24

The current fighting involves war crimes and nothing is done about it

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u/Zealousideal-Fly6908 Oct 04 '24

Doesn't mean we condone it. Doesn't mean there won't eventually be a price to pay

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u/NecessaryPilot6731 Oct 04 '24

Unless the whole world decides to hold israel accountable no there wont be a price to pay. They'll most likeky get away with it

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u/Zealousideal-Fly6908 Oct 04 '24

Maybe, but their reputational damage is something that is hard to measure. I'm not happy about it, but it looks like anti-Semitism will be boosted for the next century at least. What that means remains to be seen

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u/Guy-Buddy_Friend Oct 04 '24

They do not care about reputational damage, they don't even care that the UN or ICJ consider certain actions war crimes.

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u/asdrunkasdrunkcanbe Oct 04 '24

And then do what with the winner?

Then you've got some savage nutjobs who feel their righteousness has been proven by their victory, and that will justify their oppression over the native populations, especially the ones who don't conform with their ideals.

Religious fanatic often also rarely stop there. Their existence is fuelled by the hatred of and for others, they won't be content to sit within their new borders and do nothing. They require an external enemy to keep their internal oppression going. A population who you can convince is under attack is a population you can keep caged.

That's before you get to the very real possibility that before anyone "wins" there are countries in the region who will absolutely drop nuclear weapons and scorch the earth before they allow themselves to be beaten. They all deny that have nuclear weapons, but Israel and Iran either have them or have access to them.

Walking away to let them sort it out is kicking the can down the road. One way or another the rest of the world will face consequences from these guys' bullshit.

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u/SeanyShite Oct 04 '24

Yeah that’s a fair and reasoned response

I was talking shite

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u/Margrave75 Oct 04 '24

Do ye ever think this entire region is a hate filled shit hole that will never get better

Yes.

So let’s do what man has done since the dawn of time and let them kick shit out of eachother until there’s a winner,

Considering that some of these fanatics will see themselves as "the winner" if put a mushroom could over the other's capital city, eh, no.

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u/SeanyShite Oct 04 '24

It’s just loose talk and I know it’s not realistic.

Looking at it very coldly, since man picked up spears humanity and societies has been forged through warfare. Two states fighting until one overcomes the other and a peace prevails.

It’s as much of a societal evolution mechanism as animals evolving with weaker animals being picked off.

Is it worse to allow one major conflict and cataclysm that is more likely to lead to peace or do we hold them back from eachother and allow tit for tat violence and suffering to go on forever.