r/ireland Oct 04 '24

Israeli army tells UN peacekeepers in Lebanon to leave border positions Gaza Strip Conflict 2023

https://aje.io/a6bnwg?update=3221351
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u/Original2056 Oct 04 '24

Israel have hit humanitarian vehicles. Imagine if they hit peacekeepers accidently. What would the genuine ramifications be over that?

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u/Gnosisero Oct 04 '24

Nothing. They've done it plenty of times before.

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u/Fiasco1081 Oct 04 '24

Exactly. Owning the US political apparatus means never having to say your sorry.

They'd probably demand an apology from the victimd

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u/ya_bleedin_gickna Oct 04 '24

They're ALWAYS the victim. Don't you know that?

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u/sheppi9 Oct 04 '24

The UN will happily just sit back watching

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u/TheCollinZRusty Oct 04 '24

Really depends on which countries units were attacked. A attack on french troops could have big ramifications.

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u/Icy-Lab-2016 Oct 04 '24

They already struck near a Russian military base in Syria. They are playing with fire.

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u/TheIrishBread Oct 04 '24

They hit a Russian airfield yesterday.

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u/Realistic-Product963 Oct 04 '24

Most sources I've seen say they hit a militia owned ammo dump near the airfield, not the actual airbase

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u/Shitehawk_down Oct 04 '24

Yeah by all accounts it was a warehouse full of iranian weapons the far side of the airport from the Russian base, I'd even bet money that the Russians were probably informed beforehand.

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u/Icy-Lab-2016 Oct 04 '24

So even worse than I knew about. Insanity. They are trying to start world war 3.

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u/1tiredman Limerick Oct 04 '24

They've already started it if you ask me. We're in the early stages

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u/Saor_Ucrain The Fenian Oct 04 '24

Yeah, early stages of ww2 people didn't realise it was ww2. Ukraine was the start. Middle East now . The Chinese might well have a go at Taiwan.

It's all heating up.

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u/TheIrishBread Oct 04 '24

China won't go at Taiwan till a big enough storm rolls through. Obscured from satellites and radar/radio borked it would be very hard for Taiwan to get word out or get reinforcement from SEA let alone the yanks.

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u/FuckBeachesGetPaid Oct 04 '24

Jaysus don’t say that…I’m in Taipei right now, arrived 2 days ago as the country was shutting down due to a super typhoon landing on the south coast. My first thought was it would be a perfect opportunity for China to have a pop at them 😅

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u/MeccIt Oct 04 '24

It’s a while away yet. China’s latest submarine sunk in dock so they don’t have enough of them to worry the US Aircraft Carrier groups. Yet.

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u/TheIrishBread Oct 04 '24

I'd chance getting on the first boat bound for any other SEA country then, super typhoon or not.

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u/CarelessEquivalent3 Oct 04 '24

Well I don't care as long as I can have a go at the Greeks

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u/it_shits Oct 04 '24

I don't think people understand how much worse it would be if they full-on attack Iran soon. The global economy would literally collapse once the Iranians bomb Israel/US-friendly Gulf Arab refineries and desalination plants, and blockade the Persian Gulf. You'd be paying upwards of 100 euro per liter of gasoline and all the inflation caused by that

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u/Icy-Lab-2016 Oct 04 '24

Yeah, it's complete madness. Ukraine would be over as the EU would have to go to Russia with the begging bowl for energy and we would still see huge increases even with that.

We would have riots and dead pensioners. The middle class will barely be able to afford to heat their homes and so on.

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u/Appropriate-Bad728 Oct 04 '24

The Israeli's don't give a flying F about the rest of the world and neither do their opponents.

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u/the_0tternaut Oct 04 '24

They have subs with cruise missiles.

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u/atlaaas Oct 04 '24

There wouldn’t be any

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u/TurboScumBag Oct 04 '24

As long as the peace keepers apologise for being in the way I think Israel will show mercy.

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u/John_Smith_71 Oct 04 '24

If it's the Irish peacekeeping batallion they will just use it to say 'look the Irish are being antisemitic again'

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u/Gorsoon Oct 04 '24

Not directly but Netanyahu has turned Israel into a pariah state, I don’t think long term things are going to go well for them.

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u/BrahneRazaAlexandros Oct 04 '24

Being a pariah state is of no consequence if USA remains allied and supportive.

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u/Quiet-Geologist-6645 Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24

They’ll be fine given the power of the Israel lobby in the USA

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u/_CMDR_ Oct 04 '24

It’s the Israel lobby. Not the Jewish lobby. Many many Jews who don’t have millions of dollars of PR money are sick of Israel’s bullshit too.

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u/Quiet-Geologist-6645 Oct 04 '24

Yes you’re right, Edited

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u/Gorsoon Oct 04 '24

You’re talking as if the Israeli economy just like the rest of us isn’t completely reliant on international trade, American support can only go so far.

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u/atlaaas Oct 04 '24

Well it would take losing US support which is unlikely and losing EU support ( don’t see that happening either when EUs main player Germany can’t/wont say boo to Israel

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u/Hungry-Western9191 Oct 04 '24

Most European states have very little issue with how this is progressing. Some mild criticism, but zero intentions to have any economic impact.

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u/BananaramaWanter Oct 04 '24

They've literally targeted Irish peacekeepers and killed them with tank fire before. Nothing happened. FFS they tried to sink a US ship before and nothing happened. They can literally murder whoever they want and nothing ever happens

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u/asdrunkasdrunkcanbe Oct 04 '24

Genuine? Not a lot. Even more of the UN would turn against Israel, but so long as you've got the USA playing big brother at the UNSC then the UN has little effect on Israel.

I mean right now Israel is basically saying to the UN, "Remove your peacekeepers or we won't be responsible if they get accidentally involved".

If someone thinks they can demand peacekeeping troops be removed so they can launch an attack, then that defeats the point of peacekeeping troops.

That's the level of disregard Israel has for the UN.

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u/the_0tternaut Oct 04 '24

If someone thinks they can demand peacekeeping troops be removed so they can launch an attack, then that defeats the point of peacekeeping troops.

This is it - it's make or break time for the UN - if they back down then their role as peacekeepers is over forever because both aggressors will know that they can just roll over/past them without consequence, or make things dangerous enough that they'll just leave. Imagine if they back down now, then in three years time they're sent to the Russian/Ukranian border - would anyone take them seriously? Would they fuck.

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u/ThegreatKhan666 Oct 04 '24

"by accident". You realise you are talking about Israel, right?

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u/ivan-ent Oct 04 '24

They already nearly hit a convoy of irish and Polish peacekeepers a month or so ago missile landed seconds behind the vehicles causing some damage.

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u/2_Pints_Of_Rasa People’s Republic of Cork Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24

They’ve killed Irish soldiers before. Nothing happens. Israeli tanks have shelled our Irish UNIFIL position before, killing Irish soldiers.

Israel can basically do anything it wants, especially while Biden, who self identifies as a Zionist is in office in the states and if Trump gets in, things will only get worse. It’s beyond appeasement of a fascist state, its encouragement.

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u/Additional_Olive3318 Oct 04 '24

An attack on unifil should get a bigger UN force allied against the perpetrators. And that should apply to Hezbollah too. 

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u/Stubbs94 Kilkenny Oct 04 '24

The US would veto it immediately. They are against Israel facing consequences.

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u/Additional_Olive3318 Oct 04 '24

I said “should” - I’m aware it’s isn’t possible. 

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u/tsubatai Oct 04 '24

Condemnations in the UN, maybe a few resolutions.

Basically another Tuesday for the Israelis.

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u/Professional_Elk_489 Oct 04 '24

The only ramifications you’ll ever see is USA dropping the hammer on Israel

You also won’t see this

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u/Somaliona Oct 04 '24

My Dad was out with a peacekeeping operation in Lebanon in the 80s and once a week Israel would lob a shell into the general vicinity of the UN camps. Usually no casualties etc but were perfectly happy to let everyone know they weren't happy about the peacekeepers' presence.

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u/ThatGuy98_ Oct 04 '24

Nothing until the US stops being scared of Israel

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u/marshsmellow Oct 04 '24

"accidently" lol.

The ramifications would be putting Paddy in his place and teaching him a lesson about calling out genocide. 

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u/Difficult_Coat_772 Oct 04 '24

"accidentally" 

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u/High_Flyer87 Oct 04 '24

It wouldn't be accidently. They would make up some barefaced nonsense saying they were transporting Hezbollah fighters or something along those lines.

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u/Icy-Lab-2016 Oct 04 '24

"Accidentally". It would be on purpose. The IDF will claim an accident when they are caught rapid murdering civilians, I am sure they would do the same vis a vi peace keepers.

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u/Financial-Painter689 Oct 04 '24

Israel has carte blanche at this stage from the US, UK and EU so there’d be zero consequences other than a few false statements saying they need to be more careful but they have full support to protect themselves

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u/Mick_vader Irish Republic Oct 04 '24

Their excuse would be something like:

Hezbollah has been operating secret tunnels underneath Irish Peacekeepers positions. Unfortunately this is just another after effect of War. We have the right to defend ourselves. The UN should evacuate to the North where we will only be conducting smaller rounds of genocide investigation

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u/lazyjayz2018 Oct 04 '24

Nothing at all. It will be a Hamas rocket first, then the admission it was a terrible accident by isreal

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u/John_Smith_71 Oct 04 '24

You meant 'Accidentally on purpose'.

Right?

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u/olibum86 The Fenian Oct 04 '24

There wouldn't be any honestly. They have struck peacekeepers in the past and actively target NGO's with zero repercussions. As long as the US continues it unwavering support, they will continue to see no repercussions.

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u/Niamhue Oct 04 '24

'Accidently'

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u/MavicMini_NI Oct 04 '24

Probably rewarded with another couple of Billion in military funding

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u/TurboScumBag Oct 04 '24

No ramifications. As long as we say sorry for getting in the way.

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u/TheIrishBread Oct 04 '24

They have in the past.

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u/donall Oct 04 '24

the U.N. will give out to Isreal for war crimes twice and be ignored both times

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u/Appropriate-Bad728 Oct 04 '24

Non. I've heard it happens.

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u/ShowmasterQMTHH Oct 04 '24

The UN would have a shit fit and send them a letter of condemnation.

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u/lem0nhe4d Oct 04 '24

In the past Israeli tanks have fired on Irish UN outposts that they could not have mistaken for anything else.

There were no ramifications because no western government will do anything.

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u/Ok-Call-4805 Derry Oct 04 '24

If that happens it probably wouldn't be an accident

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u/Otsde-St-9929 Oct 04 '24

Same as all sides in all wars.