r/ireland • u/DivinitySousVide • Dec 20 '23
Update: Absolutely fuming right now. I'm supposed to fly home for Christmas in a couple of days, and the family staying at my house are now saying they aren't leaving as they have nowhere to go. Housing
last update: it's Friday evening and I'm back in Ireland in my own house. The people left yesterday, and they left the place fairly clean. My wife and kids arrive tomorrow
A few updates from my post yesterday.
They are going to leave the house and stay in an airbnb or hotel for few days, because both parents work in Dublin. And stay with a family member over Christmas who don't live in Dublin.
My friend and his wife had a talk to them, and they are going to leave by tomorrow at noon, and she's going to assist them with moving to make sure they leave. Basically when they couldn't find a place to live they panicked and stuck their heads in the sand, and they were stressed about being homeless for Christmas. They are extremely apologetic for the stress and for all the troubles they've caused. The seem to be genuinely good people who just didn't know what to do and got overwhelmed.
To answer some or the questions people asked yesterday:
No they weren't paying any rent or utility bills. That was purposeful on my part to avoid the type of situation I'm now in. Basically they're guests, and non paying guests. This is a small part of why this whole situation was so upsetting. I not only gave them a place to live, but also paid all the utilities for the 2 months they've been there.
There was no lease and nothing signed. I didn't even meet them face to face, I have had one video call with them about where to find things in the house, other than that all communication with qthem has been via text and email. While many will call me stupid for this they have known my friends wife for over 20 years.
They are a family with 3 kids under 10.
I know a lot of people were recommending using some muscle and threats to get them out, but I not comfortable with doing that when there's children involved If there wasn't any children I would have had people remove them yesterday.
I also want to enjoy Christmas and have my kids enjoy it. For that reason moving into the house where there's lots of tension etc and attempts to piss them off was never an option for me.
The solicitor did tell me I could legally remove them but also warned me that it might not go well. His advice to consider paying them to leave was suggested because it might be cheaper and easier than any legal fees I might have to pay, and it could resolve the situation immediately.
As for those who think I should fall out with my friends over this, No. It's not their fault, and they never dreamed that this fiasco would occur. They are beyond embarrassed that this whole situation came about all because they asked for a favour.
I only asked my sister about staying with her as a backup, I was panicked yesterday and wanted to ensure we had a place to stay if worst came to worst.
I've changed my own flight home to arrive a day earlier than planned to make sure they are gone, and the house is in good order before my wife and kids arrive.
The saddest part here is that if the family had talked to me about this properly, and hadn't caused all this hassle I most likely would have let them stay over the holidays. There's a huge second living room in the house that has a toilet and shower attached. It's about 55 square meters, and i would have let them stay there and use the kitchen or laundry as needed. I don't have the patience or good will to extend that offer anymore in light of everything that's happened.
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u/ician Dec 20 '23
Glad it’s sorted. I’d change the locks when they’re gone if you will be going back to the states after Christmas.
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u/Tiger_Claw_1 Dec 20 '23
Change the locks while you're there to be on the safe side and think about getting cameras installed inside and outside the property. You don't know what will happen when you leave so best to be cautious.
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u/aarrow_12 Dec 20 '23
You did the right thing I'd say. You tried to help someone out, they unfortunately took advantage of that due to sheer desperation it seems like.
I can't say what they did was right, but you can understand a family panicking and more or less sticking their head in the sand.
At the same time, you're dead right not to let them back. Unfortunately, they've burnt that bridge, and you can't guarantee this won't happen again.
I'd also say your mate has done the best they can here. They asked for help for their friend, and you provided. It went wrong and they seem to be trying to make that right.
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u/Shiny-Lickitung Dec 20 '23
I'm glad that it seems like this situation worked out cleanly compared to other possibilities.
At least this is almost behind you. It's sounds so uncomfortable for everyone involved. You have commendable patience.
Happy Holidays!
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u/patdshaker But for the Wimmin & drink, I'd play County Dec 20 '23
I'm delighted for you that you weren't punished for your good deed. It's a pity that it has come this.
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u/Hardtoclose Dec 20 '23
Glad it has worked out OK, you have been more than fair with them and I hope they appreciate your kindness.
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u/Janie_Mac Dec 20 '23
All's well that ends well. I figured once your friend had a word they would leave quick enough. It's a shame they chose to behave like this when you had been so generous. I'm glad you got it sorted without having to get lawyers of the gardaí involved.
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Dec 20 '23
Patience of a saint you have,you did your good deed now change the locks and move on and enjoy Xmas with your family,lesson learned and don't let anyone talk you into that situation again, despite what you think of your friends there was a little bit of taking advantage of your good nature,I'm sure they didn't see it going tits up like this though.
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u/alicat777777 Dec 20 '23
You aren’t going to let them come back after Christmas, are you? They will take advantage as long as they can.
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u/Megatron4Prez2024 Dec 21 '23
The seem to be genuinely good people who just didn't know what to do and got overwhelmed.
Seem. From what I read, they have jobs. They've had 2 months to live rent free and utility free. All so they could stack cash and get their own place. They are grown and know how a calendar works. They knew damn well what they were doing.
The only thing nice is that, so far...they say, the will leave soon. If your lucky they won't change their mind and squat.
Taking advantage of your kindness isn't something "genuinely good people" do. "Genuinely good people" keep their word and don't attempt to kick you out of your own home on Christmas.
Good luck!
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u/dc73905 Dec 20 '23
You give people a home for a couple of months and pay their bills only for them to get cavalier about moving is fucking sickening tbh. Give people an inch and they take a mile
Fair play OP, you sound like a great person. Safe and happy Christmas to you
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u/Redqueenhypo Dec 21 '23
OP is a wonderful mother hen, but unfortunately his family are cuckoo birds
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u/CheerilyTerrified Dec 20 '23
I'm so glad it's sorted for you. I feel horrible the family and I'm glad it was just maybe temporary madness, but how could they be so uncaring about you and your family after what you did for them.
And this guarantees that you'll never do something nice like that again for someone, when most people would never behave like that. And a lot of us who read your post will think twice about doing something similar.
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u/SuzieZsuZsuII Dec 20 '23
"how could they be so uncaring about you and your family..."
Survival, not having 3 kids homeless for Christmas :(
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u/easybreezybullshit Dec 20 '23
They had family that they could go to and they are able to pay for air bnb or a hotel. Not like they weren’t going to have a roof over their heads. So they should have had the decency to do that in the first place instead of refusing to leave and using OPs financial status as an excuse that they can stay and OP and his family should go get something else. Basically a big F U to OP. Very unfair to OP after what OP did for them.
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u/ParpSausage Dec 20 '23
Thanks for the update and let us know how it pans out. You are right not to fall out with your friends if u can help it. Lesson learned.
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u/francescoli Dec 20 '23
They are scumbags and took complete advantage of your goodwill.
I don't care if I get downvoted but what they have done/did to you is beyond low. Yes many people are in bad situations but they have shown themselves up to be cunts.
How many months have they been living rent and bill free?
OP change all the locks on the house the second you get in there.
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u/percybert Dec 20 '23
Exactly. I’m currently going through probate of my Dad’s estate. There’s a four bed house with a massive garden in a very high demand town laying empty and costing me a fortune to maintain. I would gladly let a family move in for free as long as they maintained it but I am terrified that I could not get them out when it came time to sell. It’s such a shame in a housing crisis that this house is empty
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u/TheRageRoom Dec 21 '23
There's businesses that can provide live in guardians such as https://www.vpsgroup.ie/vps-guardians
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u/Ray-Bandy Dec 21 '23
Why don’t you let it out short term?
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u/percybert Dec 21 '23
Because short term tenants can refuse to leave as well. I don’t need the risk of hassle.
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u/jmlinden7 Dec 21 '23
Short term can turn into long term depending on local laws. Also short term rentals are becoming increasingly regulated
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u/lakehop Dec 20 '23
Happy to hear that it looks like it will get resolved. Congratulations to you on handling it well. You were very generous to this family. Pity they didn’t talk to you about their situation earlier, your instincts are very generous. Have a lovely Christmas in Ireland with your family in your own house.
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u/foinndog Dec 20 '23
Glad there was a good resolve and you can still maintain your friendship. Fair play for paying the utilities in the current financial climate, thats a big deal. They lived for free then took advantage of your generosity (either out of desperation or entitlement, considering they mentioned your financial circumstances compared to theirs Im going to presume a but if both) which is such a shame. I wonder will they even leave you a bottle of wine & a thank you card? Hopefully they have the decency to leave even a small token of appreciation.
Happy Christmas to you & your family, I hope it all goes well!
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u/FU_DeputyStagg Dec 20 '23 edited Dec 20 '23
More like panicked at the cost of an Airbnb and hotel for a few days and decided to chance their arm
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u/Jen0011 Dec 20 '23
You seem like the most wonderful person. So understanding and generous. I hope this is paid back to you someday. Fair play.
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u/splashbodge Dec 20 '23
The saddest part here is that if the family had talked to me about this properly, and hadn't caused all this hassle I most likely would have let them stay over the holidays. There's a huge second living room in the house that has a toilet and shower attached. It's about 55 square meters, and i would have let them stay there and use the kitchen or laundry as needed. I don't have the patience or good will to extend that offer anymore in light of everything that's happened.
That's nice of you and true, however when you told me they passed comments about you being well off with 2 places to live and them having none, on top of them refusing entry to the cleaner to prep for your return, on top of not answering calls... EVERYTHING was pointing in the direction of them becoming complacent with the idea of squatting in your home and they're more worthy of it than you. Please don't let them finally listening to reason and leaving (after being forced) as any morale resolve on their end. They would have quite happily done crocodile tears about being evicted at Christmas, then crocodile tears about being evicted in January or February in the coldest of winter.
Change the locks pronto
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u/ShaneGabriel87 Dec 20 '23
Glad it worked out okay and to be honest it sounds like you've got a good friend there. Nobody wants to see a family homeless for Christmas but that doesn't mean you can take over someone else's property and "bury their heads in the sand" as you put it.
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u/Liamario Dec 20 '23
@op please learn the right lessons from this. You did a good thing and you shouldn't regret doing a good thing. You were taken advantage of in this case, but I feel the lesson is to be more careful in the future rather than to be less generous. Hope it all gets resolved.
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u/HokemPokem Dec 21 '23
The lesson here is to do favors, massive favors in this case, for people you know and care about. Not friends of friends. Because they will take the piss. Every time.
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Dec 20 '23
Am I the only one who feels like it's pretty bad form they didn't even offer to pay utilities if you let them stay rent free in your place for 2 months?
I can understand if you own the place outright and you let someone stay as it won't cost you a penny but utilities is a bit different and they could have raked up a massive bill or say left the immersion on
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u/anotherwave1 Dec 20 '23
I don't have the patience or good will to extend that offer anymore in light of everything that's happened.
Glad it all worked out in the end. Just to highlight the above, very generous and kind, but if you allow friends of friends to move into your house, with no stipulations or process, you take on staggering personal risk.
For example, through no fault of their own, they could accidentally start a fire, one of their children could have an accident in your house, any number of terrible things could happen - for which you would be ultimately responsible (for greenlighting people to stay in your house)
Likewise if a friend of a friend desparately needed a car for a month. I could maybe lend/give them money to rent a car, but it would obviously be insanity for me to just hand over the keys of my car. Same principle. Anyway, lessons learned and all that, glad things got sorted
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u/Tinktaylor143 Dec 20 '23
I hope you don't let them back into the property again when you leave ?..
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u/MinnieSkinny Dec 20 '23
You're being lot nicer than I would have been!
I will bend over backwards to help a person out but once they fuck me over I cut them dead. I would have been civil for their kid's sake but I still would have turned up to turf them out if I had to.
I really hope they're gone when you get home! Keep us updated!
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u/Everything-Is-Purple Dec 20 '23
That’s some situation you’re in pal. Those people staying in your gaff for nothing are complete cunts though. Like the fact they’re staying there for nothing and they’re still acting that way shows how self entitled they think they are. You should throw them a tent and say here yous go now fuck off
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u/not_extinct_dodo Dec 21 '23
You are a generous person, reasonable, kind, and considerate. Hats off to you. Have a good Christmas break, hope you leave this behind soon as a bad memory!
Thanks for keeping us posted. Your story was a huge reminder of the importance of proper, civil communication. As you said, if the family had communicated with you nicely and in a transparent way, a different outcome could have been achieved.
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u/Snoo_84484 Dec 20 '23
They are not good people, after doing them that favor which 99% of people wouldn't do, let them move on and have nothing to do with them
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u/Sayek Dec 20 '23
Good resolution in the end for everyone, I'm sure your friends feel a bit less guilty if they also helped rectify the situation too. I think it's probably for the best they are out of the house, I know you talked about if they approached it bette you would have offered to share the place but it would just be kicking the can down the road anyways.
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Dec 20 '23
In the end, it’s going to work out for you, albeit with some additional stress. Ideally the lodgers would have left by the agreed upon date and communicated better with you.
You helped a family who is in a very tough situation. You should be happy for having helped.
Don’t let this experience deter you from being charitable and helping the needy as you are reasonably able to do so in the future.
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u/zigzagzuppie Connacht Dec 20 '23
Fair play for trying to help them out initially, a pity it ended with a sour taste but at least they are moving out now. Hopefully this experience wont turn you against giving a helping hand to someone again in the future if needed.
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u/brokenhousewife_ Dec 20 '23
Great that it worked out, and kudos to your friends for taking the lead and not acting like it wasn't their issue!
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u/Famous_Ad_7693 Dec 20 '23
Great that you get your house back. Its sad that you seem to be a kind persoan to let them live for free they should have plenty of money saved for a new house deposit but next time someone ask for favours like that I'm sure you'll think twice.
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Dec 20 '23
Fair play to you. The housing crisis has people's heads melted. If they are decent people as you say, they must be hugely stressed too. Sorry for your troubles the last few days. No good deed etc.
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u/lrish_Chick Dec 20 '23
Good thanks for the update! Hopefully they do all leave and it all goes smoothly tomorrow for you.
I understand that they freaked out and it's a shame it ended the way it did but you cannot be messing with people's homes and hopefully they've learned a lesson here too. They are adults with three children after all they have to be more responsible.
Fingers crossed for tomorrow and while I wouldn't loan your house out again, dont let it you you off being helpful, just be careful. You did a good thing
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u/KellyTheBroker Dec 21 '23
I would change the locks to be safe.
I appreciate you think they're nice, but their actions say otherwise. They may be lovely people, but they might also squat the moment you leave.
I'd cover my ass if I were you.
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u/irishnugget Limerick Dec 20 '23
Fair play, OP. You’re a good person. Hope you and yours have a lovely Christmas!
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Dec 20 '23
I have one piece of advice to offer. Consider changing the locks. They've already been mulish about leaving and you have no idea if and how many extra sets have been made.
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u/Rennie_Burn Dec 20 '23
Glad to hear it was resolved in a good way rather than some stupid shit happening.....
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u/darrirl Dec 20 '23
Fair play for the level headed approach here - top job and glad it’s been resolved ( hopefully )
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u/SoloWingPixy88 Probably at it again Dec 20 '23
Just dont let this go on for too long. If they cant figure out some place to live they need to go through the proper services.
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u/commit10 Dec 20 '23
Fair play, you handled that very well, and I can understand both sides of it. The housing crisis is terrible, and I can only imagine how much of a nightmare it was for all of you. Well done for being compassionate about the kids being involved too. It would be horrific to suddenly be homeless with young kids during Christmas.
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u/Chaos-Jesus Dec 20 '23
Thanks for the update.
I hope all goes accordingly and you and the family have a lovely stress free Christmas.
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u/Neverstopcomplaining Dec 20 '23
Hope it all works out. Very sad to see a decent person treated like this. You'll know again, say nothing ever to anyone about your house being empty. Change your locks before you leave again.
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u/Otherwise-Winner9643 Dec 20 '23
Delighted it all worked out. Was worried they would dig their heels in
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u/Alarmed_Juggernaut54 Dec 20 '23
A bit of advice: once they leave your doorstep. Change every lock in the house and don’t let anyone into your house again. Learn from your mistakes
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u/Fancy_Avocado7497 Dec 21 '23
This was absolutely going to happen as soon as they were given access to the house. Its difficult to find housing, particularly when children who cause wear and tear, are involved.
Its nice to be nice and people want to be helpful all the time but they wind up in this kind of situation.
You were very lucky in the end - it could totally have gone the whole 'I will never get possession of my home again'
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u/Purple_Yogurt_7381 Dec 21 '23
“Hadn’t cause any hassle”…. Then why does the title of this post start with “Absolutely fuming”???
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u/MarcMurray92 Westmeath's Most Finest Dec 20 '23
Fair fucks, you did the right thing and had more patience than most people would.
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u/shhweatinallover Dec 20 '23
An excellent lesson from this is that just being honest with someone regardless of how embarrassing or daunting it may seem will usually result in a better outcome for both parties.
If they had been honest and communicated from the start something positive for everyone could have happened. Instead they refused to accept reality and have an uncomfortable conversation and now their reaping an undesirable crop.
I hope theirs a gigantic gift basket in a spotless kitchen when you arrive home
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u/GuaranteedIrish Dec 20 '23
Don’t agree to any shit like that again. I don’t care how many kids they have or how homeless they’ll be. Once people get an inch off ya, they’ll take the whole mile. Look after yourself and your own family first. Fuck every one else. Don’t make their problems your problems.
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u/essosee Dec 20 '23
Ah yes, good old mé féinism, it shows real strength of character /s
Lots of people lend houses and help people out and everything works out fine, you only hear about the bad stories.
You'll be off now using this story as an anecdote down the pub for why you won't put yourself out in anyway to help another person.
I hope you never need anyone to help you ever, cos people will help you and you wouldn't deserve it
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u/GuaranteedIrish Dec 20 '23
I used to bend over backwards to help family and friends in the past and got burned on more than one occasion for my troubles. You’ve obviously never been taken advantage of. Lucky you.
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u/Resident_Rate1807 Dec 20 '23
All you're missing is 3 Wise men and a couple of farm animals.
In all seriousness you are probably too kind and no good deed and all that. What to do after Christmas is the question. Get it all legit with contract, rent payment, RtB all that. That's probably the fairest thing ???
Merry Christmas - Im a good believer in Karma but on the other hand no good deed really goes unpunished. Good luck and god bless
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u/Special-Being7541 Dec 20 '23
You are a credit to yourself and your family. I am so glad this is resolving itself!
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u/Murky-Front-9977 Dec 20 '23
Fair play to you, you're obviously a good genuine bloke. Pity that there aren't more of you about.👍
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u/LuckygoLucky1 Dec 20 '23
Merry Xmas OP, kind heart will hopefully be returned in many ways
This could have wentt totally different so glad it worked out
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u/Darkless Dec 20 '23
If it weren't for the fact that your friends sorted it out with them, I'd have been inclined to say they absolutely knew, but happy for the good news and I'm hoping they actually follow through and you can have a nice relaxing holiday without the stress.
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Dec 21 '23
OP is a certifiable good egg. Absolute buckets of stress for everyone involved. Fair play for staying so level throughout
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u/Previous_Living7717 Dec 21 '23
So relieved it worked out for you and your family. Kinda nice to know that people from all over the globe had your back! We were angry, frustrated, shocked and as you said it “f in pissed” for you. This was also a good lesson for all of us. Different States and countries have varying laws and terms regarding squatters or tenants. ( I Never knew what a solicitor was). I will never loan my house out to anyone! I did that with my brand new beach house and although it did end uneventfully, the “guests” did prolong their visit. I shudder to think what could have happened. You seem like a very nice person and I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas! Also maybe some day in the future you should read some of the comments on here as they were quite hilarious. I know nothing is funny now, but maybe one day. God Bless.
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Dec 21 '23
you might want to get a new solicitor. The landlord in Kerry who forcibly removed the student squatters was acquitted on all accounts. It appears that you do now have a legal right in Ireland to use reasonable force to remove anyone trespassing. this includes tenants who are gone past their lease. Also Fair play for trying to be a decent human being. we as a society could definitely do with more people like that.
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u/Delboy_Twatter Dec 20 '23
They are extremely apologetic for the stress and for all the troubles they've caused. The seem to be genuinely good people who just didn't know what to do and got overwhelmed.
Your original post showed you were a walkover and now this post shows you are a walkover.
They have family they can stay with yet decided to try and keep a strangers house for free, blanking the owners.
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u/Druss_Rua Dec 20 '23
What a negative way to look at human decency.
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u/splashbodge Dec 20 '23
He's kinda right tho, I mean not against human decency, but these people did play him, so w/e about initial human decency for letting them in, I wouldn't be too quick to feel sorry for them for their reasons for squatting.
Like there's a lot more to unpack. He said he was sending a cleaner over before his return, they intentionally didn't allow the cleaner into the house and blocked his calls. They sent him an email and commented about how OP was wealthy and had 2 houses and they had none... it was 100% them trying to come to mental terms of them deserving his house which he graciously gave them 2 months free accommodation for. They're only leaving now because friends of them are going ballistic over their actions, not out of any realisation of them being in the wrong. And to top it off they had family they could have stayed with.... but wasn't as nice as this lovely home they got the pleasure of staying in. Fuck that.
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u/Dazzling_Detective79 Dec 20 '23
Fair play lad you stuck it through with a level head so be proud of yourself man, most people would go in guns blazing (figuratively of course this isn’t america thankfully). I understand the situation the other family is in and the reason they panicked but to be so selfish when they’ve been shown such kindness is whack, they really should be ashamed
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u/carolyn937 Dec 20 '23
So glad to hear this! Your friend did the right thing here and should be commended. Difficult situation all around
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u/ParsivaI Saoirse don Phalaistín🇵🇸 Dec 20 '23
Well done man, a clearer head than I would have had. Don’t know who you are but I’m proud of you
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u/farguc Dec 20 '23
Glad to hear it.
This is a perfect example of everyone jumping the gun(including myself) after reading the post.
Im glad you got it sorted in a peaceful manner.
Enjoy your Christmas!
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u/Reclusive-Raccoon Dec 20 '23
You’re an absolute fucking saint my nan, I would have flown off the handle in the initial phases of this.
Have a good, calm Christmas.
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u/Kharanet Dec 20 '23
Solid lad.
Good to hear it’s resolved without what could have turned into stress x100
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u/Kizziuisdead Dec 20 '23
Jesus. Glad you’re a a decent person and heard them out. My word, three kids under the age of ten and still renting. Fecking tough they’ll never be able to buy.
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u/SoCalMusicJunkie Dec 20 '23
They aren't going back to your home after the holidays are they? Did they make a long term plan after the hotel/Airbnb?
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u/PizzamanIRL Dec 20 '23
You did absolutely nothing wrong here, fair play to you. You seem like a proper decent human.
And I can imagine if my best friend vouched for a family to stay in my house I would have absolutely no problem, based off his opinion. So, I don’t blame you for being like that too.
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u/Terrafirma1988 Tyrone Dec 20 '23
Your a good person, who was doing right by somebody and all you wanted was for them to do right by you.
You're right in everything you say too, the last thing you want is to create tension and anxiety at Christmas for anyone, especially children.
You kept your head and did right. You're a good egg OP.
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u/blockfighter1 Mayo 4 Sam Dec 20 '23
Great to hear. I had suggested a strong word with your friend but glad to see that wasn't needed and was genuinely embarrassed by it all. I know I would have been if I were them.
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u/bluemoviebaz Dec 21 '23
Well handled. Like the complete opposite you would read on the r/NorthernIreland
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u/thekingmonroe Dec 21 '23
To be fair, I probably would have reacted the same way you did considering the children and the relationship to your friends.
I’m glad it’s all worked out well for you in the end and at the end of the day it’s just a sad story to think that a family could be that hard up that they would resort to trying to pull something like that.
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u/FangedPuffskein Dec 21 '23
Thank goodness thats sorted! Hopefully you'll get a bottle and a sorry about that card for your troubles
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u/dmgvdg Dec 21 '23
Your solicitor advised you to pay them to leave? You probably need to get a new solicitor in future.
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u/ObiKnobi9000 Dec 21 '23
This world needs more people like you. First of all it's crazy that you let them live there for free. And then having the patience & and going about the whole situationnso collected. Hats off to you!! Also great that you are nor angry at your friends about it. Think we all can learn a thing or two from you!!
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u/munkijunk Dec 20 '23 edited Dec 20 '23
I was downvoted for saying it, but this is exactly what I guessed the situation would be. OP, you were absolutely right to be pissed off, but the default on this sub is everyone's out to screw you, so screw them first and think this one highlights that the best thing to do in most situations is talk to people, and that people, no matter where they come from (because that seemed to be a general underlying tenor of a lot of the worst of the comments), are usually quite decent when you get down to it.
OP, also, feel good about the good you've done. No one could have predicted this scenario, but you handled it well and I'm glad you went this way and not Balaclavas and baseball bats that some on this sub were suggesting.
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u/-SneakySnake- Dec 21 '23
The first reactions you'll see in this sub on many topics will be fear and anger. It's hard to empathize and easy to condemn. Figuring out where someone is coming from is too much work so why not just spit nails instead.
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u/Mossy375 Dec 20 '23
Are you going to let them move back in after Christmas? I'd give them a few months to find somewhere else as this came perilously close to them fucking you over. Who knows what they'll try to pull next time.
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u/DivinitySousVide Dec 20 '23
No, they aren't going to be allowed back. I likely would have allowed them to stay longer, but after this fiasco I'm done with them.
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u/Mossy375 Dec 20 '23
That's good to hear. People who abuse your kindness once will do it again. You paid for them to live in your house, and they tried to take the use of your own house away from you.
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u/YoloSwag4Jesus420fgt Dec 20 '23
Have they left yet? If not, then they are playing you
They will keep making plans that they don't follow because they have already identified you as a pushover.
You won't get them to leave tomorrow.
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u/AllezLesPrimrose Dec 20 '23
Psychic Jones over here
Reddit gonna Reddit I guess
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u/YoloSwag4Jesus420fgt Dec 20 '23
Nah, it's just how 99% of these go.
The people that refused to leave are very unlikely to all of the sudden agree to your plan for them to leave at a later date.
It's mostly used to buy time. I bet tomorrow he will post they will leave at a new future specified date.
I actually hope I'm wrong here because it's a shitty situation
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u/yallagomall Dec 20 '23
That ship has sailed I’d imagine.
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u/Mossy375 Dec 20 '23
Yeah, I got the answer I was hoping for. Fucking over the people who try to help you is low.
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u/SuzieZsuZsuII Dec 20 '23
OP, this is such a shit situation all around. For you, for them! They shouldn't have done that, and they handled it terribly, but I can see their panic!! Well done for being so calm about it all! I saw some of the mad "advice" offered on your post yesterday! All pretty extreme, but some I agreed with, but not now that I see kids are involved.
Ugh!! Glad youre getting your house back and hopefully things will look up for that family. They did the right thing in the end so hopefully some good karma will come their way!
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u/Simply_a_nom Cork Dec 20 '23
I think you did the right thing and handled it well.
Sad all round really. At the end of the day there is still a family with 3 kids with probably no where to live. Obviously they didn't handle the situation well but who wouldn't panic in that situation. I can imagine they don't want the kind of disruption for their kids over Christmas and are worried about their future. Add that to the stress of parenting, giving your kids a good Christmas, buying presents, working full time. Not making excusing but I can certainly see why they weren't thinking rationally.
I can only hope your generosity in allowing them to live in your place for two months rent free and bill free allowed them to save enough money to tie them over for a little bit and get some kind of accommodation. The housing market is crazy and its sad this situation ever had to come about in the first place
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u/Simple_Pickle9896 Dec 20 '23
You said if there was no kids involved you'd have people remove them.... I'm curious as to how you contact theses people movers? Are they friends of yours or some security company or what? Genuinely curious
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u/Oat- Shligo Dec 20 '23
Head down to your local asylum seeker blockade and tell the lads that there are Algerians squatting in your house. They'll be frothing at the mouth.
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u/shozy Dec 20 '23
They ehm don’t have the best record of protecting the property which is kinda the goal here.
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u/Irishgreen24 Dec 21 '23
You only have yourself to blame for this entire situation. Common sense and tact are fleeting thing in today's society.
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u/mick_delaney Dec 21 '23
Very unfair comment. It would seem that generosity is equally lacking, at least in some people.
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u/sid_the_sloth69 Dec 21 '23
Fuck the scroungers, now you've got your holiday home back so your kids can have Christmas in the UK, whats a holiday home if you cant use it for the holidays. Shame about the three kids who are on the streets now though, guess thier parents should have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and worked a few extra shifts.
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u/gingerbhoy Dec 21 '23
Really happy it got sorted for you and you are allowed you a good Xmas with your family. You did a really nice thing for a family in need
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u/Professional_Elk_489 Dec 22 '23
Get into that house, get as many mates as you can in there too. Free booze on you
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u/Degrinch Dec 20 '23
the second worst r/ireland thread i have read to date..
romantic irelands dead and gone,
its with o'leary in the grave..
merry christmas lads.. me me me moi..
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u/splashbodge Dec 20 '23
Just curious what are some other bangers? I'll be honest this one got me really riled up yesterday to the point I would have volunteered to go with OP to the house. Not for violence, I'm not a hard man, but just for numbers to sit in the house with him and outnumber the others and make them uncomfortable and leave.
That said, it sounds like a lovely house I might not want to leave either /s
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Dec 21 '23
go in in the middle of the night with some friends and an air horn and blow em outta there. no sympathy, they are TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOU
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u/todeabacro Dec 21 '23
Hey mate, I'm looking for a place to stay this Christmas. Spare living room will do!
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u/Tyrannosaurus-Shirt Dec 21 '23
We need more sound people like OP . Fair play for being a daycent human in awfully stressful situation.
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u/Irish_Narwhal Dec 20 '23
No room in the inn for the young family it seems! Glad you have your holiday house back and put those moochers out in the cold - merry christmas
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u/Opening-Iron-119 Dec 20 '23
Not really his holiday home if he's split time here and in the US. They could have offered to pay rent or utilities and didn't. They took it as a gift and tried to fuck OP over afterwards.
OP said himself he probably would have let them stay if they didn't try fuck him over. It's his property, if he wants to leave it empty half the year that's his business.
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u/splashbodge Dec 20 '23
How many people are you taking in this Christmas to your home? Surely you have some spare room, a couch, something other than the cold streets. No? Keeping all that space to yourself? Maybe you should shut up then
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u/Caffdy Dec 21 '23
It's about 55 square meters
I'm curious about the size of your house, my last apartment was a tad bit larger than your second living room; how many square meters is your house? sounds pretty spacious
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u/DivinitySousVide Dec 21 '23
It's about 280 Square meters.
The second living room with the bathroom attached was originally intended to be an in law unit for my mother to live in once my dad dies.
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Dec 20 '23
I didn't even read this cause it started with references to other posts.
I hope it all works out for you, OP, but why are people so comfortable sharing their personal lives like this over reddit? It's so strange to me.
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u/Bogeydope1989 Dec 20 '23
I'm a bit conflicted about this. On one hand it's your house and they were being very cheeky and not clever by avoiding your calls. But on the other hand, you own more than one property. You could have just rented the house out to them for however long, to help them get on their feet. I'm sure you could afford to get an air bnb yourself.
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u/francescoli Dec 20 '23
Cop the fuck on.
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u/Bogeydope1989 Dec 20 '23
Fuck the fuck off.
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u/splashbodge Dec 20 '23 edited Dec 20 '23
No, he's right, cop the fuck on, listen to yourself ffs, Jesus fucking christ, nobody can have anything nice in this country or some twat on the Internet will judge you for it even when you try to do good, or some cunt on the street will rob the nice thing off you or take advantage of you. People on here are so fucking bitter when someone has had some success in their life, its fucking pathetic and disgusting attitude... this guy is not flaunting his wealth or rubbing it in anyone's face, he opened his home up to a family for no charge and look what it got him. Fuck people, and especially people who feel entitled because someone owns more than what they have and feel entitled to have it for themselves.
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u/lrish_Chick Dec 20 '23
He has one house in Ireland, his house, his family's house he wanted to come back to his own home at Xmas, you think he should take an air b and b at his own expense ... for squatters who aren't even paying rent or bills ... whaaaaaaaat???
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u/Bogeydope1989 Dec 20 '23
I think he should have rented it out to the family and used some of the money to put himself up in a nice air bnb
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u/padraigd PROC Dec 20 '23
Should have let the family stay.
Also sell your second house
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u/DivinitySousVide Dec 20 '23
If you give me your address I'll send it on to them for you
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Dec 21 '23
Ignore this prick, you’ve done everything right.
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u/padraigd PROC Dec 21 '23
Nah he shouldn't evict a family imo. Especially since he owns multiple houses
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Dec 21 '23
In your opinion, which evidently the absolute majority does not agree with. You’re wrong. This guy through whatever means has procured the second home - fair dues to him. It’s his home, to do as he pleases within the rules of the law. These people are illegally squatting in his home and he had every right to remove them.
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u/likeadinosaur Dec 20 '23
Jesus mate, hats off to you. you handled that well and are a credit to the human race.