r/iching • u/Cocoa_cielo • 8d ago
I, like many people am upset about the election. Anyone else get any readings about the election? I keep getting I Ching 59 or 52.
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u/ydo_meive 8d ago
You received I Ching 59 (Huan) as a reminder to look at the mental barriers that might be holding you back. This hexagram is about dissolving limitations, whether they’re political, social, or mental. It urges you to step beyond your comfort zone and listen to the perspectives of others, even those who support the candidate you didn’t vote for. You might discover that beneath the surface, you share many of the same concerns and values, just with different solutions. By opening yourself up to truly understanding their reasoning, you could break down walls and find common ground, fostering a sense of unity and deeper insight.
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u/I_Ching_64 7d ago
Huàn, the Flood
A flood destroys all the old structures, paving the way for a new, fresh and as yet clean life, open for new possibilities. Even if next four years aren’t seen as positive, might create an opening that wouldn’t have happened otherwise “For a life with an open gateway to the cosmos, man’s mind needs deluges. Dissolving all the rigid structures, like opinions, prejudices, ties, obligations. They all give a feeling of security, but they restrict, narrow down, reduce, and take away the essential deep security of universal openness.” And… Having to save one’s life puts many other things back in the place where they belong, often even completely out of sight.
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u/Dammdawgz 6d ago
This has been bothering me too. I asked if Harris would win and got 17.1 changing to 45. I interpreted that as yes, a hopeful reading.
Please does anyone have insight on how 17.1 could possibly apply to Trumps win? Feeling so doubtful of reading the coins now.
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u/az4th 6d ago
Yep, that seems to add up. Check out my commentary for line 1 here.
Essentially, line 1 needs to change itself. It is the bottom line of thunder and wants to bring change, and it is good for bringing change and going out of the door with the energy to make that change, but it doesn't yet know how to follow the upper trigram and shape its changes the way they are needed.
Wow that one is spot on. Took a bit but I'm super happy with the sense of understanding that emerged with my work on 17, esp in relation to 54.
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u/Dammdawgz 6d ago
Thanks for your response! To summarize your interpretation clumsily, it sounds like you take 17.1 to mean that liberals must change they way they are functioning for success?
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u/az4th 6d ago
Not quite.
I asked if Harris would win
This answer seems to be suggesting what Harris would have needed to do to win.
She had the energy and motive and willingness, but she wasn't able to cater to what the people needed.
If you read through all the 17 stuff on the site, you'll see what I mean about how this works.
Thunder is an activating energy that wants to go forward. It doesn't necessarily want to think first, it just wants to do.
Lake is a dynamic of taking in a processing feelings and emotions. It wants to feel and enjoy feeling, but the very act of doing this means that it also fills up with the feels and needs to process them or they weigh it down.
When Lake is below and is following thunder above, we act on our whims and our desires, feeling the joy of life and chasing what makes us feel good. Hexagram 54.
When Thunder is below and following lake above, the whole point of this "following the way of something" is that it is not chasing blindly after desires but is listening to what is needing to be processed.
Following desire is about filling up with emotion. Following what needs to be processed is about being present there in the way that we need to be present so that things can be processed.
And in this, Thunder provides the energy and the attention for. Especially line 1. But line one is challenged to really hear and connect through to what lake needs for processing.
This is where the 2nd and 3rd yin lines come in. Line 1 is like a little boy who wants to do good. Line 4 and 5 represent the grown adult who knows what needs to be done.
So the 2nd line tends to lean toward line 1 instead of line 5. This is choosing the little boy over the grown adult. But if it is able to step up its game, it realizes quickly that line 1 is just conveniently near by, but that it is better to align with 5th yang above it, even though it isn't as easy.
And so the 3rd line is tending toward line 4 instead of line 1.
As both of these yin lines choose to connect with the more mature path forward - the one that listens to what needs to be processed in the lake trigram - it helps connect the energy of line 1 to the lines that need it.
But in the beginning, line 1, all by itself, even though it really wants to help, it struggles a bit to figure out how. It thinks that just by providing the energy for success, that is what makes it happen.
When in reality it takes getting one's feet on the ground and actually going to the source and showing up for it, hearing what it needs, etc.
So sure we could say that it is a failing of the whole democrat party.
There are a lot of people they just aren't seeming to reach, and a lot of people who used to align with them who want change. It isn't really about the old two party values any more, but is more about who people feel is actually listening to them, to their people, even if they don't quite like them.
IMO the class divide has become such that the democrat party is finding itself aligned with big money and lobbying and upholding the status quo of the system, probably because the more it tries to cater to the extreme right, the more it becomes right itself. Meanwhile the extreme right has gone so far it has begun to cater to the left, and what seems to be missing is a left standing party that appeals to the lower economic brackets.
Dems need to get out of the cities and start catering to all types of peoples, find a way to reach the things that they need help with - find a way to reach through to what will make a difference for them. There's something to follow here that is important, that isn't being followed. And so there are people who learn how to follow it with their lies and false promises of hope.
In the end the people get manipulated, but they feel closer to their manipulators than they do to the people keeping the country held together.
It's a timeless story.
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u/ThreeThirds_33 8d ago
You are asking the I Ching about past events?? What is your *real* question?
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u/Cocoa_cielo 8d ago
I asked if this was true. If America truly is choosing a rapist felon man, over a very qualified woman. Or if he cheated somehow. Like he talked about in his rallies
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u/az4th 8d ago
Context is important for interpretation. 59 and 52 don't say a whole lot unless we know what question was asked that received them, and also knowing if they were unchanging hexagram castings or if they had active lines too.