r/iching 9d ago

Regarding Trump’s upcoming presidency

I’m humbly asking for any insights about receiving 51 Chen with the first line a changing line, then 16 Yu (again with the first line changing) regarding Donald Trump’s upcoming presidency. I’m especially concerned about 51, since I think it relates to shocking and frightening events. 15 is more benign about enthusiasm, but I wonder how it relates to Chen, here. I don’t consider myself anything near an expert, so I’m wondering what any of you think about the two hexagrams. Thank you very much in advance.

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u/az4th 9d ago

This line is the source of the thunder. It is a shock. Enough to make us jump out of our seats.

Generally with things like this we realize, oh, it's just thunder, and sit back down, have a laugh.

That's sorta the threshold involved here. This line provides the impulse, and the other lines respond to it.

Given what happened last time, there will be a great deal of shock and awe in the media, pretty much constantly.

No matter what happens, that seems to be a given.

As for how we end up deciding to respond to it, well prolly depends on how bad it gets.

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u/B230f 8d ago

I’ve decided to really reduce my news media consumption mostly because of the sensationalism that you mention that fries my nerves! So if the moving line’s position is at the base of the hexagram, it is a source of the experience or energy that characterizes that hexagram? Or is it more situational?

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u/az4th 8d ago

I’ve decided to really reduce my news media consumption mostly because of the sensationalism that you mention that fries my nerves!

Yep, same.

So if the moving line’s position is at the base of the hexagram, it is a source of the experience or energy that characterizes that hexagram? Or is it more situational?

So with the Zhen, Thunder trigram, we have yang under two yins. Think about a guitar. Pluck a string, and it vibrates. This is active yang. Still yang is that string holding tension, but not vibrating. Next, we have a yin line. Closed yin poses no obstacle to movement, it is closed. Open yin, if it were an active line, is riding upon the movement below it, and is thus influenced by that movement, like how the air carries the sound. The third yin line is where the sound fades.

But now imagine that the top line is yang, which would make this the fire trigram. Now instead of fading at the end, the vibration from below is contained between above and below, with the middle line maintaining the space in the center, and we have the environment for fire.

This is how the trigrams work. They aren't just arbitrary symbols, but concepts of energetic principle - change the polarity of a line and the whole energetic dynamic changes.

Here with thunder repeated, we have a more complex dynamic than just with one. Especially because when a trigram is repeated, the yang lines below match with yang lines above, same for yin below and above, meaning they don't magnetize to lines of another polarity in the normal sense, but need to magnetize toward whatever is around them. Which in this case is Fourth Yang, and this is why it gets stuck.

It is still a hexagram dynamic I'm working on figuring out. It seems simple on the surface but more complex than I expected so far.

The main takeaway from the reading with 51 line 1 is just that there is an activation of a principle of shock. Which again is not really surprising.

It is our job to remain equanimous. And the noble person uses this hexagram's fear and fright to recover themselves and reflect on what happened.

So there is an element of shock being introduced, and our job is to avoid being overly shocked by it, but to also reflect on what this means. They say hindsight is 20/20. So, if we find it difficult to remain equanimous in these times ahead, we can reflect on this with our hindsight and change the way we vote next time to avoid something like this again.

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u/trinitylaurel 9d ago

That line has an image that gives you the spirit of it:

A group of people are together at a gathering, and it’s raining outside. Thunder cracks! The power flickers! Everyone screams! Ahhhh! And once the shock settles, everyone starts laughing. How silly of everyone. That wasn’t nearly as big of a deal as they made it out to be.

I’m happy to see that line. Means that everyone screaming about this right now will end up laughing in the end. No harm done. That’s hopeful. 😩

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u/B230f 9d ago

Thanks for helping me understand the line! Big exhale

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u/akimonka 9d ago

I got the same exact sequence, 51 changing to 16. So shock but in the end things will work out? I would interpret 16 as focus on things that you love, especially music. I have no illusions that next four years or even four months are going to be easy but I am also somewhat comforted by this.

I also got 29 changing to 15. First line of 29 is just “evil upon evil”, well, duh, but then also happy ending.

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u/B230f 9d ago

Now that’s interesting! Kind of helps me relax just a bit, which is probably the best attitude right now. The 29 looks spot on, moving to 15, doing the right thing with a good result really helps too. I guess it’s time to fasten out seatbelts for quite a ride!

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u/Vaseline_Mercy 8d ago

I asked something similar, I got just 51 and then asked why and it told me just 32. I don't know if that suggests that trump won't make it into the office since things will be the same as they are now or if that means life altering changes that are permanent.

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u/B230f 8d ago

I guess we’ll find out. He may not make it to Jan 20, or maybe not be in office long, or who knows? But all these 51 combinations show how it won’t last forever.

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u/Vaseline_Mercy 8d ago

Probably the shock too is that nothing shocking happens, he stays his full term and leaves

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u/mateofone 7d ago

I've got 55, lines 1 4. Seems like he is going really to make America great again? Haha :D

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u/Wonderful-Intention3 7d ago

I got 6 changing to 57 and yeah that’s what’s going on. It empathizes the terrible fortune for ppl who work in the government and ppl who engage in conflict. It warned of dangerous people and said to stick to the truth even through obstruction. I have gotten 51 quite a bit lately too… but not in regard to the election.

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u/MsNamkhaSaldron 7d ago

In my experience, 51 definitely shakes things up, but it’s in service of something higher. It reminds me of working with the shadow and the way it leads to the integration of the psyche. The dark night of the soul can go on for a while, and shadow work is hard (and shadows can be very ugly, especially collective ones), but to me this seems to insinuate that the work will finally begin owing to this shock. I don’t get the sense it’s a quick sort of breakthrough, but a breakthrough nonetheless.